WTA vs ATP

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  1. 35ft6

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    To the dude who thinks Venus could beat some top 50 players, maybe he never heard about the Braasch incident. What the article didn't include was that Venus and Serena decided to issue the challenge after watching Franciso Clavet practicing. They thought they could beat him, which made several male players crack up.

    Braasch had played a round of beer fueled golf when he happened to walk into the office and volunteered to play the sisters. In an interview, he reluctantly admitted that we wasn't really trying that hard, just hitting with tons of spin. After the match, the sisters changed their boast to they could beat somebody outside the top 300 and Braasch told them he was losing a ton of points at the tournament, come back in a week because I'll be outside the top 300 then he told them. Hahaha.
     
  2. 35ft6

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    I am secure enough to think that my grandma could beat up Mike Tyson in a fistfight. I am also secure enough to know that I can kill a great white shark in the ocean just by swimming circles around it and biting its neck in several places. :confused:
     
  3. Chadwixx

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    that is funny :)
     
  4. 35ft6

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    Dude, don't even bother. It's like somebody's attempting to exemplify every major type of fallacious reasoning in one thread. I'm guessing he's a 14 year old of average intelligence who recently discovered some sort of self created, *******ized notion of relativism and is applying it to every argument in order to artificially inflate his intellectual self-esteem. Nothing he said is really worth responding to. We could essentially apply his "logic" to show how it's impossible for him to prove he's a real person but that would be equally a waste of time.

    Still trying to get through this thread. Again, I'm struck by how no amount of evidence, even the thoughts of the WTA players themselves is going to change the pig-headed thinking of the "top WTA player could beat X" brigade.
     
  5. x Southpaw x

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    That was a very informative post 35ft6.

    I was pretty certain that top men college players could beat WTA just from comparison of strength and flexibility. The men were pulling off impossible retrieves, in-between-the-legs shots and gameplay-variety while the women were playing lots of baseline topspin games, a number of them attack the net aggressively but won't bother retrieving a lob, I sometimes wonder if they use american twist serves at all. And the men's serves are way above the women's in speed even though they're using control rackets while women used power-generating rackets. And after seeing a group of about 15 12-year olds at the Tennis Center over here at MD hitting with near perfect timing, placement, consistency and touch, I don't think that's an issue with pro players.

    But yeah... this is actually the first time I heard of a face-off between a WTA player and a rank 200 ATP player.
     
  6. 35ft6

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    Somebody posted a link to a much better article about it on one of the earlier pages of this thread.
     
  7. MagicMT

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    From that article:
    "With the changes in racquet technology over the last 10 years, some of the women on tour, led by Henin-Hardenne and the Williams sisters, frequently strike the ball off the ground harder than some of the men."

    umm.. i don't think so!
     
  8. 35ft6

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    If they mean Serena can sometimes hit the ball harder than Bjorn Rehnquist, then okay. Yeah, take the hardest hitter on the WTA and compare them to the softest hitters on ATP, and they might technically be able to say that, although it's incredibly misleading the what it's trying to imply -- that top female players are almost as powerful as men now.
     
  9. GripnRip

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    i think i could beat her pretty consistantly. She just didn't really have anything that could hurt me. She was a great all-around player but her relatively heavy ground strokes sat right up into my hitting zone.
     
  10. tarheels2323

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    This thread is almost a year and a half old but I was linked to it via another thread so I might as well post, pretty much just for the fun of it.

    What lillleyton or whatever his name is was trying to get at (I believe) correlates to a basic notion upon which logic is based. In layman's terms it states that nothing can be proven unless it is proven in all possible cirumstances in all possible worlds. In other words, to be true something must never be false (groundbreaking, right?). To be disproven, something must only be disproven in one scenerio. The concept itself is not difficult to grasp. However, what it implies in this case seems to be. The little discussion here seems to focus around whether or not a top member of the WTA can beat anyone who is a member of the ATP. The common notion of logic which I just explained, when applied to this case implies that a top female player could beat a profession male player because it cannot be proven that the female would lose in all the matches she would play (an infinite amount). Because the amount of matches would be infinite, it's impossible to say that in all cases the male player would win. Therefore, it is possible.

    There's actually a way to get around the concept of our infinite number of scenerios (in this case, matches) but it cannot be explained in words and I'm not about to start spitting out logicese on a tennis forum.

    ^ That all being said, it is very unnecessary to bring a concept of propositional logic into this disagreement. Common sense and experience (if avaliable) tells one that even a top WTA pro could probably not beat a top college level player, let alone a top ATP player. Both the male and the female would be consistent but the sheer force of what the male could throw at the female would be overwhelming in the male's favor. It must be conceded, by everyone, that men and women are simply too different in terms of physical prowess to successfully merge athletic competition on any level.
     
  11. jamus30

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    I think a lot of the people at the club have better backhand's than Roddick. I seriously do. Why doesn't he just change that thing?
     
  12. alienhamster

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    WHY WHY WHY WHY must we see this thread again? AND with this post, of all things?

    Are people programming little TW-bots to supply us with a regular dose of talk tennis cliches?

    Man, that Serena Williams sure is fat . . . . [rolls eyes]
     
  13. Marat Safinator

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    what a laugh!
     
  14. Gilgamesh

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    The only way a WTP player can beat a top ATP player or even one in the top 150 is if she takes steroids.
     
  15. randomname

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    oh god, why would you bring this topic back?
     
  16. helloworld

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    My friend who is a girl just turned pro a couple months ago. We played each other a couple times and I never lost to her. I'm one of the worse college player in my college and I find it pretty easy to beat my friend who just turned pro. My point is that there is probably a large gap between men and women tennis. I never played against top WTA pros and I don't think I can beat them, but I'm pretty sure I can beat some lower ranking WTA pros in the tour and I don't find that accomplishment amazing at all. After all, girls are girls and boys are boys. Men are not only stronger physically than women, but they have better timing, reflexes, hand-eye coordination, movement, endurance, etc. Men are just physically built better than women, even if some men can bench press less than some women, they still would have other physical advantages. I think people who think WTA player can beat ATP player are probably new to tennis or never play or devote their time for a REAL competitive tennis.
     

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