WTF Winner Will Be Player Of The Year???

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  1. Steve0904

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    I know. You simply presented an argument (a coherent one I might add) as to how Murray could be POTY, but we both agree the Nole is in pole position maybe even regardless of what happens at the WTF, however arguments can be made for all of the top 4 this year.
     
  2. merlinpinpin

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    I'm not even going to mention what I think about your open-mindedness... :roll:

    The only point you make is that it's all about points. However, checking the history of the PotY award will show you that this is not always the case. It almost always is, yes. But it's not 100% certain. Lendl's 1989 was way superior to what Becker produced this year, point-wise and title-wise (he won 10 tournaments to Becker's 5), but the voters went for the Wimbledon-US Open double above every other consideration.

    Three out of six, and nobody else getting more than one? You can bet it is.

    You're just trying to reassure yourself. In reality, the combination of Wimbledon + WTF + most titles won (on every surface/condition to boot) + #1 at 31 + more than 300 weeks at #1 would most likely trump Djokovic's series of losses in big finals, as impressive as they are point-wise.
     
  3. Gonzo_style

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    Does anyone know whether Murray plays in Paris or not?
     
  4. batz

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    He was doing light trainig at the NTC on Tuesday, but I wouldn't be surprised if he withdrew to concentrate on the WTF.
     
  5. Gonzo_style

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    Thanks, we'll probably know tomorrow.
     
  6. beast of mallorca

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    An outsider (not in the big 4) might snatch Paris. Just because the top 3 won't be 'in' to it and instead will try and focus on the WTF.
     
  7. Gonzo_style

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    May happen that Tsonga and JMDP doesn't play in Paris, so it would be a great opportunity for any player!
     
  8. batz

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    Agreed - Paris has always bee nan opportunity for 'the others' to bag an MS. It's no coincidence that the likes of Henman, Rusedski, Tsonga and Berdych have all won their only MS in Paris.
     
  9. Gonzo_style

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    Yes, also Robin Soderling.
     
  10. batz

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    Good point - him too.
     
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    Djokovic is the player of the year...

    But Federer achieving the 7th Wimbledon, the world no.1... the +300 weeks as world no.1... if he wins his (6th) WTF...you know at his tennis age.... I would go more for Roger

    Murray still very very far from these 2 players (season wise)
     
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    WTF numbers

    If would be Rogers 7th WTF
     
  13. batz

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    Can I point out that it's player of the year - of the four things you list, 2 of them span more than a year.
     
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    Novak had much better results than Murray.

    It's not debatable. Djokovic is the player of the year even if Federer or Murray win WTF.

    It's not just how many slams you won, it's also about your overall results at the slams (finals, semifinals etc.)

    You lost the argument. How do you cope with that? Posting pathetic comments.

    When did I say it's just about slams?

    When did I say that the PoY award is all about points?

    I'll repeat again: there are 4 big tournaments.

    Federer had 300 weeks at No. 1 in 2012? "Player Of The Year" award has nothing to do with the results before 2012.
     
  15. batz

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    Only in your incredibly closed mind have you won an argument mate - I don't see people queueing up to agree with you - in fact, I don't see anyone. Most people seem to be saying that Noel is in pole position but there's still tennis to be played.

    Looks like you answered your own question there. You're not very good at this 'arguing' malarky, are you mate.
     
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  16. 5555

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    Your comment is argumentum ad populum. If you don't know what argumentum ad populum is, go to Google http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&gs_n....r_pw.r_qf.&fp=f7f26bd304355f44&bpcl=35466521

    Can you explain how I answered my question?

    Far better than you.
     
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  17. batz

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    Probably not - because it is becoming clear that you lack the faculties (an open mind and a lack of a superiority complex) to comprehend whatever points I or anyone else might make.

    You feel that Noel would be POTY no matter what happens in London - others have a different opinion to you (because it is just a matter of opinion - there are no specified criteria for determining POTY). That's the bottom line. You can howl about how right you are until the cows come home - it still won't make you right anywhere other than in your own mind.

    Please feel free now to re-confirm your previous position that you are right, dammit. That only your opinion is valid, and that there is no argument to be made for any other player - after all you don't have anything to lose; you can hardly appear to be any more self-righteous than you already have.
     
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    You said it's a fact that there are 6 big tournaments. Is it matter of opinion whether there are 6 or 4 big tournaments?
     
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    Djokovic pretty much has it locked up by holding #1 at the end of the year.
     
  20. batz

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    Oh FFS mate - post where I said it was a fact and I'll donate £100 to a charity of your choice. It is my opinion that there are 5 big prizes on offer in a normal tennis year and 6 in an Olympic year. I've never stated that is is some kind of self evident truth or that anyone who disagrees with me 'sticking heir head in the sand' - I'm not that self righteous. For absolute clarity, I'm not saying WTF and OG are on a par with the slams - I'm saying they are part of the group of 'big prizes'.

    To reiterate - we have different opinions. If you cannot deal with that then I suggest you start your own tennis messageboard where you are the mod and only people who agree with you are allowed to post.

    I think it's now best that we end our little chat - I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
     
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  21. 5555

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    Here.......

     
  22. batz

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    OK - I should have said it was my opinion. I shouldn't have said it was a fact - it's not. Of course, whether or not it is a matter of fact or opinion has no bearing on your central point that Noel is already POTY no matter what happens in London; that's still just your opinion - all it shows is that you were right that I stated it was a fact that there were 6 big prizes up for grabs.

    Which charity would you like me to donate to?
     
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  23. tusharlovesrafa

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    What the hell is "POTY"? I have seen you use this word umpteen number of time.
     
  24. batz

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    Player of the Year Tushy.
     
  25. 5555

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    It's not a fact that Tsonga is not an all-time great, but common sense says that Tsonga is not an all-time great. It's not a fact that Djokovic is PoY no matter what happens at WTF, but common sense says that Novak is Poy no matter what happens at WTF.

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  26. The Bawss

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    Haha, I'm just chiming in for the catastrophic ownage. Lovely.
     
  27. batz

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    Whether or not Novak is likely to be named POTY is not disputed - from my first response I have agreed with you on that. What was (and still is) disputed is whether or not an argument could be made for another player if that other player won WTF. Your opinion on that is still just your opinion. Me being hoist by my own petard on what I did or didn't say has no bearing on that.


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  28. batz

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    How unlike you to be taking joy from the perceived misfortunes of others. What a delightful creature you are.

    Anyhoo - I hate to burst your masturbatory bubble - but I usually make a quarterly donation anyway - 5555 will get to choose where one third of this quarter's donation will go.
     
  29. The Bawss

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    I'm happy that this experience will hopefully knock down your self-righteousness on this forum a peg or two and all for a good cause. It's a win-win.
     
  30. 5555

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    Claim that Tsonga is not an all-time great is just opinion, but common sense says that he is not an all-time great. The same logic goes for Djokovic and PoY in 2012...

    http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/
     
  31. batz

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    Couldn't agree more, I've certainly learned to be clearer when speaking figuratively, but to re-iterate; the day you stop taking joy from the sorrow of others is the day you can lecture me about character - because on that day you'll have credible place to lecture me from.
     
  32. batz

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    To repeat - that Noel is in pole position to win POTY is not in dispute - please stop trying to refute points I haven't made.

    An excellent choice of charity.
     
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    What sorrow? One might think that you would be feeling all fuzzy and warm inside after having given money to kids in poor countries. I guess not.
     
  35. Steve0904

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    It is a matter of opinion. However I think you will find that the large majority of people consider the WTF and Olympics as "big" events. Of course for the purposes of your argument you've decided to regard them as "small," and that's perfectly fine. The fact (or is it matter of opinion now?), however, is that an argument can be made for Murray or Federer to be POTY as well as Novak. Nadal is probably out of the running now since he won't play Paris or the WTF. Everybody agrees that Novak is the frontrunner for POTY, but again, arguments can be made for Murray, and Fed. That is a fact, but you, in your infinite wisdom will call it a matter of opinion because nobody can be POTY except your precious Novak.

    It's pointless arguing with you obviously, but I'll finish with this: Think about last year. 2011 was a year where it truly didn't matter what happened after the USO. It was absolutely indisputable that Novak was POTY, so therefore nobody could make any credible arguments as to awarding POTY to anybody else. It is disputable this year, but of course you will call that a matter of opinion, and keep believing that the only opinion that matters is your own. That's all anybody is saying. Nobody is trying to take POTY away from your precious Novak.
     
  36. Ms Nadal

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    I think Djok s the player of the year. Rafa could have had a great year until that Wimby match with Rosol :(. Up till that point I was very happy with Rafa's performances and he was playing well and building up his confidence momentum. Then WHAM BANG! ROSOL!.
     
  37. 5555

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    Is this your argument in support of claim that WTF and Olympics are big tournaments?

    Arguments for Federer and Murray are too weak to say that it's questionable who is PoY.
     
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    Djokovic has had a significantly better year than anyone else, however if Federer beats him in straights and dominates the WTF I think Federer will have a strong case. As it stands Nole deserves it. They're my two favorites so I'm not unhappy either way.
     
  39. Magnus

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    Nole or Murray.
     
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    Djokovic has done more than well this year but I hope Murray gets Player of the Year, this has been his breakthrough year
     
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    Did Djokovic get Player of the Year 2008?
     
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    Murray did virtually nothing up to Wimbledon. He might be incontention for player of the last 6 months but not player of the year.
     
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    Nadal got Player of the Year in 2008 but he won 2 slams and the Olympic gold medal. With the grand slams split between the top 4 this year.... POTY who knows (Nadal is definitely not getting it)
     
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    Djokovic has won 2 MS and a 500 since Wimbledon and is 1-3 versus the rest of the top 3 - he might be in contention for player of the first six months.......
     
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    Djokovic atleast went deep in all tournaments since Wimbledon. Murray has Brisbane, a Gold Medal and the US Open to his name this year. The fewest tournaments of all 3 them. He also disappeared during the clay court swing. He's not the player of the year, he's not been consistant enough.

    If Murray wins the WTF it could swing POTY to him IMO but only because I still view the WTF as a big and prestigious tournament.
     
  46. batz

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    :) I'm only messing with you mate - if you look back on the thread you'll see that I agree wholeheaterdly that Nole is in pole position for POTY.
     
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    IMHO, it should be Federer for reclaiming wimbledon, #1 spot and reaching WTF finals.

    If he wins tomorrow, he is my POTY.
     
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    Thing is, Djokovic is a hard one to pass - both in playing the game and his results this year.
     
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    Whoever wins tomorrow is player of the year
     
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    It's still a toss up. 1) Djokovic is ending the year at #1 having made the finals of three majors, winning one of them and losing in the semifinals of another.

    2) Federer had a miracle run at Wimbledon, losing in the semifinals of the French Open and the Australian Open and only made the quarterfinals of the US Open.

    I'd still pick Djokovic over Federer this year, but it's as close as it can get.
     

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