YAMAHA expert and everybody please take a look and give me some comments

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  1. yuth

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    Anyone knows about this stick ? Yamaha YWG series 77. I got it from my freind. He said that this stick stay for 40 years. Please give me some comments.

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    I have no details about it, but i have to say that's an absolutely beautiful racquet.
     
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    Yuth, it's no 40 years. It came out sometime in 1982/83.

    At first I wanted to buy it but, after having looked at the conditions where the wood in the head was chipped off, head areas in a pretty bad shape and the leather grip stupidly cut, and the price he was asking for, it just wasn't acceptable to me.

    Yes, it's suppose to be a very beautiful racket, but certainly not the one you got. It was mal-treated by some rich guy in its playing days.

    Sorry to spoil the party ...
     
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    Thanks krub P' O. I got it coz I like standard headsize and open throat racquet. I am quite fail about its head chipped, but it's ok for me.

    Thanks for your comments,

    Yuth
     
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  5. yuth

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    My friend also have it, but series 66. Please take a look.

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    The second from left hand side.
     
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    that's a true piece of art. What is the headsize and how does she play???
     
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    Hi Dan,

    It's about 68 to 70 headsize. It's feel as good as head competition and head vilas. But I can't hit with high tension coz it's too old and I afraid that it may break while I hitting.

    thanks for take a look,

    Kob Khun Krub,

    Yuth
     
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    I just got a couple of these, which are part of the Image YWG series -- the 77 and 99. They are beautiful, and the 99 even has this odd little pattern on the outside of the throat, going up to about 3 and 9 oclock on the sides. Very nice detailing, very beautiful wood grains in the laminate. I got the 77 off the bay for about $30, the other from a private seller for about the same. So they aren't expensive.

    Plaz, I have no idea on the specs, but it is a standard wood-sized head, probably 80 or below, with that egg-shaped hoop of Yamaha's. I assume YWG stands for Yamaha Wood Graphite (or I suppose it could be G for glass, as in fiberglass, I don't know). So they are wood composites.

    They are very heavy, very substantial. I wish I had an accurate scale, but these things have to be at least 13 oz. I haven't had a chance to hit with them yet.

    I also don't know the extent of the series -- so far, we know there is a 66, 77 and 99 -- any 55s or 88s out there?




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    Woooooooooooooooow, both of yours looks absolutely beautiful racquet. :twisted: I love your 77.
     
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    Thanks, Yuth.

    They both are a little dinged up, though, especially up toward the top of the head. Nothing that a little paint touchup couldn't solve, especially since it's plain black and worn but not chipped. I just have never done it. I try to clean up the racquets I get, but never have tried retouching them.

    If anyone is a repainting expert, I'd love to find a tutorial on the type of paint that works best and how to apply it. Do you brush it on?

    Spray?

    Roller?

    Magic Marker?

    There must be old threads on this topic somewhere on the boards.
     
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    I think, I will go to guitar shop. That place has some guy who can fix everything about wood. I wish he can fix some chips.
     
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    I dont remember the spec's but seem to remember these rackets similar to the head vilas and slightly smaller than a standard woody, which is approx 65". I have 2 that have never been strung, below is a picture of the image77 and several comparing it to the other popular yf series yamahas

    http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamaha_image77.jpg
    http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamahas6views.jpg.jpg
    http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamahas6headviews.jpg
    http://www.woodtennis.com/yamaha/yamahas6sideviews.jpg
     
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    I learn something new every day... I though Yamaha just made cro-magnon all-fiberglass sabre tooth tiger beating sticks (OK, fine... maybe Neanderthal...). I'm impressed... and jealous... :) Great finds, guys!
     
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    Damn those are some mighty fine looking, high-quality sticks. Yamaha racquets never cease to amaze me. They need to get back in the tennis biz, cuz if they did, they'd put everybody to shame.
     
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    when they appeared it was a flash of genius....serious quality. too bad that after the ceramic gold series, a popular and expensive line, they seemd to all but vanish. Didn't know about the Secret 04 until a decade after it came out, .....what WAS Yamaha????? anyone have any background on this obscure yet awesome tennis brand???
     
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    Just purchased a Yamaha SECRET. Its in the mail so i dont know much about it except it was used only 15 times. I did not ask any questions as i didn,t want a lot of attention drawn to the auction. I will post a report when i get it
     
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    Just purchased a Yamaha SECRET. Its in the mail so i dont know much about it except it was used only 15 times. I did not ask any questions as i didn,t want a lot of attention drawn to the auction. I will post a report when i get it
     
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    Wow. Add me to the list of those who are impressed; I've never seen those models before, and they're fine looking pieces. Very nice.
     
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    Yamaha is better known for their motorcycles and musical instruments, but they have dabbled in a lot of different products through the years. They were never really a "tennis" brand, but made some nice frames for a period of time.
     
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  20. schu47

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    Apparently, Siegfried Kuebler has a brief history of Yamaha in his "Book of Tennis Rackets," including the years they made racquets and all the models. Kuebler's book is supposed to be the bible of tennis racquet collectors. I've been trying to buy a copy for some time, without much luck. The folks at his website, where they sell the book, haven't been very good at responding to emails. If any of you has it, it would be great if you could post some of the Yamaha information.

    Anyway, here's a link to a reminiscence by someone who was a Yamaha rep and tried to get the company to endorse Michael Chang when he was just a lad.
    http://www.hofmag.com/content/view/1093/60/

    Their reaction probably says something about their commitment to tennis, or at least their judgment.
     
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  21. Tennis Dunce

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    Is it a Secret 04, 06, 10, or 66?

    If it's the 04 its one of the finest racquets ever manufactured. Perhaps the stiffest racquet ever made (I believe it is an 80). It has the coolest stealth bomber, powder-coated charcoal PJ I've ever seen. Its a very serious looking and intimidating weapon. I have two of the 100si (1 brand new, the other one an 8.5/10) and they are very unique sticks that have quite a reputation, as well as a loyal following. You could put the Secret 04 in the hands of some pro players today...and they could perform with it admirably. Not bad for a 20 year old racquet.

    BTW, those Secret 10's are awesome as well I've heard. I'm not as familiar with them and I know they are very difficult to find. If somebody has a 10 could they please post pics?
     
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    Kuebler's book, which says it lists "almost all" of the Yamaha's produced, doesn't mention the Image 66, so it's possible there could be others as well.

    I've noticed there are quite a few errors and omissions in Kuebler's book - that isn't meant as any kind of criticism, as the subject is monumentally large, but just stating a fact.

    Yes, YWG denotes wood composite - YFG denotes fibreglass composite.
     
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    Virginia, you're the best. I thought the "G" stood for graphite -- thanks for straightening me out. :) I gotta get that book -- I wish the Kuebler folks would respond to my emails. Is there anywhere else to pick up a copy?
     
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    I've got a Secret 10 -- just hit with it today, and it's a great racquet. I've got a couple of Secret 04s too, and both models are amazing, considering their age. I'll post a picture ASAP.

    I don't think they're that hard to find, and certainly not as expensive on the auction sites as the 04. I think mine cost me about $25, and 04s go for $100 or $150 oftentimes.
     
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    how does the round head wood grain 77 play compared with the 99? does the flat throat piece enhance performance (compared to a round hoop????
     
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  26. Tennis Dunce

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    Where's that pic!? :)

    It's good to know that the 10's are a little easier to find. I'm still having trouble locating one, especially for 25 bucks. :oops:

    How do they hit? What is the headsize? Is the color scheme the same as the 04 and 06?
     
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    check with joe sch

    For the Kuebler book, check with joesch@woodtennis.com - wonderful reference book, and it is the bible for all sticks up 'till about 1990.
     
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    I'd love to find the Keubler bible. I love reading but am very picky about what I read, it has to be by an interesting writer like Keubler, Virginia, Tennis Dunce, or Deuce (as much as Deuce and I ague he is clearly brilliant)....

    the best writers in the world are method actors, like the writers mentioned above their work captures realism.... beyond form..... magically transporting us into a world of their experience, this rare phenomenon cannot be accomplished if someone is trying to be too fancy with words....great writers, like great actors, are real
     
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  30. schu47

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    I don't know that the 10s are easier to find, just not as expensive when you do find them.

    I'm sorry I haven't posted a pic -- my camera ended up in the shop after I dropped it. So I can't post any pics right now. But I promise I will soon.

    The 04 and the 10 appear to be made from the same mold. Both are gray, but the 04 is a flat gunmetal gray (very much a stealth model) and the 10 is glossy. The 04 seems stiffer, although I haven't played them at the same time to really compare them. The 04 is high modulus graphite, which accounts for the stiffness, and the 10 is a "Carbon/Composite." Both are 100 sq. in., 25 mm beam width, both have plenty of heft. The 04 is listed at 12.3 oz. unstrung, the 10 feels a tad lighter. Here's a little review of the 04 with all the specs at the bottom of the story:

    http://tennisandeye.blogspot.com/2006/10/phoenix-from-ashes.html

    And here are some Yamaha specs from a posting last year on the TW board by Martingale:

    Glad to hear some other people like the Yamaha's. 04 is the stiffest. A bit more flexible are the 05, 06, 10 and EX, as well as the headlight versions, called the secret EOS. Beautiful frames, little vibration, little shock, awfully well engineered, no elbow or shoulder problems. I am still using them these days.

    The following specs are from the Yamaha '91 catalogue:

    Secret-04 100" or 110":
    Weight 321-350 grams / 12.2 oz. Avg.
    5 pts. HL
    Beam 25mm
    Extremely Stiff #10

    Eos 100" or 110":
    260-280 grams / 9.5 oz. AVG.
    4-6 pts. HH
    Beam 25mm
    Very Stiff #9

    Eos RZ 100" or 110"
    270-290 grams / 9.9 oz. AVG.
    4-6 pts. HH
    Beam 25mm
    Stiff #7

    Secret -05 RS 100" or 110":
    321-350 grams / 12 oz. AVG.
    6 pts. HL
    Beam 25mm
    Very Stiff #8.5

    Secret-07 RS 100":
    321-350 grams / 12 oz. AVG
    Beam 25mm
    Stiff #7

    Secret-10 NIA

    Secret-20 100":
    322 grams/ 11.5oz. average
    9 pts. HL
    Beam 25mm
    Medium Stiff

    Secret-EX 100" or 110":
    321-350 grams / 11.9 oz. AVG.
    8 pts. HL
    Beam 22mm
    Stiff #7
     
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  31. schu47

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    Plas, I just got these racquets and haven't had them out yet. So I can't help you. Maybe someone else can give you a playtest report.
     
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    IT IS a 10

    IT is a 10 and came yesterday (95 sq in head 16x18 pattern ) It is not as pristine as described but is still in very good condition. It weighs 360 grms strung or 12.72. The grommets are in great shape and the racquet has a lot of life left in it. I wont be able to get to the courts till Sat but hit against my rebound net. It felt great and i thought the ball was fired from a cannon.
    I just need to see if the ball will come in when i take a good swing.
    I also got a Rossignol ft 6.60 mid lovely racquet but grommets shot.
    I will play with it Sat and report back. I am not good at posting pictures but, i will send them to your e-mail or to PLASMA as he loves to post pictures. Iwill get onto that this weekend if not before
     
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    I Think Its Heavier

    I have a fairly accurate postal scale. The 10 is 360 grm x 28.3 = 12.72
    I put it up against my 95 JENRO and it appeared the same. Also i put it next to my new ROSSIGNOL ft 6.60 and, it appears just a little bigger due to the inverted bridge.
    If you dont want to wait for pictures go to The Auction site and put in Yamaha. Then tick the world wide completed listing boxes and you will see mine. (It cost me $ 63.00AUD)
     
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    Thanks for that link! Lol...I had to laugh when it stated "We are introducing the Secret in just one size. The right size. 100 square inches. And 85% of that is pure sweet spot. " You got that right!

    I've got a wide array of racquets...but this is the most special one of the bunch. There will never be anything quite like it. Everything is just 'so right' about this stick. Man I'd love to find a 10 and play with it!
     
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    Congratulations on the awesome stick mate! Yeah...its liek firing out of a cannon alright! On my 04's I try to compensate with a topspin oriented string so the ball has a chance of staying in the court. I'm also thinking about going with an 18 gauge, but coupled with the stiff frame that might not be such a good idea because the strings take all of the shock.
     
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    Whoa, the GM was a fool! what an awesome Yamaha story.( beyond "War and Peace" IMHO, feels like it was told and not written!!!) 5'8" 130 sounds like Nishikori's stats ( a deadly lightweight). I remember facing the 130 lb. champ (for fun) many years ago after he fought de la Hoya (on ESPN for the title). I don't think I've sparred 230 lb guys who could hit that hard. ....( I remember a perfect liver shot that tore me up for about 6 months!) maybe the headshots ex-pain my touched world view and racquet hoarding addiction...???; the GM of Yamaha wins the prize for stupidity and overlooking someone based on their size, though...
    sorry back to my other love, tennis, I saw Nishikori at about 5'6 130 tear up a guy at the SAP open who was 6'4 235. (david using ko kyu waza ( the false void yogic awareness technique) to slay Goliath-San...Hai...dozo (yes, go ahead and enter into a realm of physical experience politely) O negai Shimas...(further) The big guy would ace Nishikori so hard that he didn't have time to move. When sensei Nishikori used his knowledge and spiritual tennis demon slaying kata, he was able to excecute dropshots and forehands like a true Shidoshi!
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    I have a Yamaha Secret-II in my basement

    What the heck is this thing?
     
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    is it similar to the 04? does it look like it fell out of the belly of a stealth bomber????. I had a minty 04 (made in Singapore) which I traded to a fellow rackaholic on these boards....I got a few sweet sticks in trade, 1 was an ultra 2 standard; schweeeet.
     
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    Energetic

    Try Isospeed Energetic (QUALITY STRING THA TAMES STIFF FRAMES AND HAS LONG STRING LIFE)
     
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    Grunt

    Took it out last night. Nice racquet but too much power so have to put this one in the closet.
    ROSSIGNOL the best so far!!!
     
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    Don't give up on it quite yet. Just imagine being able to tame the ball with such a mighty stick. Your opponents will be hating trying to return such heavy, energy-depleting shots. My Secret is like my 7th go-to stick...so I can relate, but I've given myself many hours with it, for fun, and my win-loss record with it is good. You can etch the first set in stone because your opponent will be so dumbfounded.:twisted::)

    Yamaha racquets are immensely versatile, provided that you don't put them in the closet right away.
     
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    Finally got my camera fixed, so wanted to add a couple of pics of the 04 and 10 as promised. Same mold, I'm sure. Not sure about how the specs compare. The Secret 04 feels a little heftier, more substantial, certainly a little stiffer. The 04 also has that cool, flat gunmetal gray finish, while the 10 is a shiny gray. I personally like the 04 more, but not by much. I would think if you like the 04, you'd like the 10, too.

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    the cosmetics on that secret are 9/10 plus...museumworthy...what kind of fool would have parted with that powerful motorcycle/racquet in that condition??? even defensive players can blow away powerhitters with the secret 04...only other racquet with close to as much power (but ironically a bit less) is the comical and obese keubler Profile Wilson.
     
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    Nice pics! So does the 10 say Made in Singapore anywhere on it. Could it be a <gasp> China!?

    Can't tell if its just the paint...but it looks like the 10 has a lot more flex...maybe in the low 70's. It's in jaw dropping condition. I agree...it needs to go in a museum.

    Do you have any idea the time period between the 04 and 10? Are we talking about years here? The 04 was 1988...could the 10 be like a 1991?

    Gabby was smacking around that EX-97 in what? 90?

    Alright...now we need somebody who has a Secret II to take a few pics. Did the II come out after the 10? I'm really intrigued with this line of racquets!
     
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    Yup, I managed to get this 04 from some real dimwit. :) Truth is, your rhapsodizing about the 04 is what got me to make the trade with you, so it's all your fault, Plas. I generally don't like any racquet larger than 95 sq. in., but the 04 is an absoute exception. It's no wonder people are getting $100-$150 for these things online. It's a stealth bomber.
     
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    Hey TD, it doesn't say anything that I could find on the Secret 10 about where it's made -- not on the frame, the butt cap, anywhere. Actually, it doesn't say much of anything on the racquet, except the model number and grip size. The Secret 04 was made in Singapore.

    I would love it if someone could tell us when the Secret models were released.

    I looked back at some old issues of Tennis Magazine, and checked the ads at the back to see when Yamahas started popping up. The first mention I saw was buried in a big two-page hola-bird ad in 1988 that listed the XAM series. In 1989 the Ceramic Series 90s and 100s were mentioned. In the Sept. 1990 issue, the Secret EX, Secret 04, 06 and 10, and the EOS all showed up in an ad listed as new models. So the order and actual year of release for those models are a mystery to me, but they all were available for sale by the fall of 1990.

    As an aside, the magazine also had a spread in that issue on "Six New Racquets for Fall," which included the Dunlop Max 500i, Estusa Boris Becker ProVantech PB, Fischer Vacuum Twin-Tec Pro, Prince CTS Blast, Yonex RQ-260 and the Yamaha EOS. So, the EOS was getting more love than the Secret, 06 or 10. At that time, the EOS was the lightest racquet Tennis Mag. had ever tested, at 9.8 oz., was very stiff and head heavy. It also was the most expensive of the six new models mentioned, at $250 retail. (By the way, EOS stood for "Efficiency of Swing," whatever that means).
     
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    Didn't Sabatini use the EOS? Only Yamahas I remember are the oblong 90's and the series gold 100's. Also a fortune in their day. My friend racquet-freak has an enviable stash of old tennis magazines, I'd love to find the original ads and the meaning behind the "Secret Numbers" research into these ancient numbers from singapore, corresponds to the essence of traditional cultural thought and causality,
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    celestine destiny, and the ethical nature of good and evil...solve the numeric Yamaha riddle and control time and space...this state of prophetic insight is also known as secret 11, a mystical and empowered state... I will of course be giving chakra attunements (for a nominal $600 fee)...Ohm
     
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    Yeah.......the camera's working again:):)
     
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    I think Sabatini played both of these Secret EXes -- she definitely played the purple and green one, because there's a picture of her with it. But I think I've seen photos of her with the yellow, orange and purple one, too.

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    Come to think of it, who cares what racquet she used? She puts your Anna Kournikova to shame, Plaz.
     
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    only in tennis...
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