Yann Auzoux - The Sweet Spotter.

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  1. Federerkblade

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    "My entire high school team practiced with Sweet Spotters and ended the year undefeated in both the league and the championship. My top player went from top 25 in our region to top 5 in a month. My wife improved from 2.5 to 3.5 in 6 weeks and I increased my serve speed by 30 miles per hour in 8 weeks. "

    How can he possibly suggest that any of that was as a direct result of them swinging his baseball bat contraption?
     
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    Coach Yan helped me to understand the basic fundamentals of of modern footwork and technique. I still use some of his principles today.

    Although i think the Sweet Spotter would help me achieve pinpoint accuracy on contact, in the overall picture, i dont think it will work with, and possibly hinder, my modern style.

    A lot of us hit with a high spin technique, and use a lot of areas of the stringbed, not just the sweetspot. Depending on placement,swing and depth, i vary contact between 9, 3, 12, 9-3, 5-11 o' clock, etc.

    ie. if you rake the ball across 3-9, its not going to matter if you hit the sweetspot, because youre not intending to anyway.

    Modern technique is far more complex than just hitting the same spot, everytime, on the stringbed. But i can see where this would greatly benefit flat hitters.
     
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  4. Federerkblade

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    maybe we can get yann on here although dont want this to be a war against him. hes a great coach
     
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  5. themitchmann

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    I agree that this will help people to hit flat shots, and possibly help on serve. Any kind of coordination training is good IMO. However, I'm not sold on the idea that this device is ideal for training swing path.

    Great idea, though!
     
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  6. Federerkblade

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    looks fair value. just hope its not a prototype
     
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    Can a small 65-sq-in wood racquet do the same for a player?
     
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    Probably not. The weight and balance are pretty different from today's racquets. It would be good for hand/eye coordination, though.
     
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    If you watch slow motion footage of people hitting the ball with the modern swing, they're still contacting it in the sweetspot most of the time. As even though you're "Raking" across the ball, your contact point is still only about 3 mains strings across. That's why the snap back of strings is so important.

    DH
     
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    Yes.

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    I definitely think this device can benefit players on serve and groundstrokes and even better if you have a ball machine. hopefully yann can explain more
     
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    I think it's a great idea, and I hope he'll reach his funding goal.

    Just wish he had put it on kickstarter as opposed to indiegogo for greater exposure.

    Curious how he'll manage to get materials right to achieve the desired specs? And is there an easy way to adjust specs to match your own racquets?

    Using Carbon fiber exclusively is waaay to expensive to hit retail at $199, must be some other composite mix - which is a great challenge and opportunity to develop a proprietary material mix/process.

    LOVE the idea. I would invest in it.
     
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    This calls for Kickstarter!!!!!
     
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    About a year and half ago someone posted on here a training racquet that had around a 40" head that was to serve the same purpose. I can't find the link anywhere. Anyone else remember it?
     
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    I spoke to Yann ealier and hell be on the thread soon so we can ask him abt this as soom as TW approve his log in

     
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    An old coach of mine had a frame that only had 4 mains and 4 crosses strung on it, forcing you to focus on the ball.

    Seems like a simpler solution than trying to invent an entirely new piece of equipment.
     
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  17. Federerkblade

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    This is a much better than stringing your racquet with 4 strings to me
     
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    couldn't you make a racquet with a very small hoop (like 50" or so?) and weight it so the weight and balance was similar to most modern racquets? Something like 11 oz with 3HL balance and a sw of 320 would be a good middle ground.
     
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  19. zapvor

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    so yann is coming on here?!
     
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    Cool....:)
     
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    Is the handle like a tennis racquet or more like a baseball bat?

    Won't this make you swing more flat, since it would be hard to time it and brush upwards through contact?
     
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    yup hes just awaiting TW approval on his log in
     
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    Hey Yann, as I mentioned I think it's a great idea, as it forces the hitter not only to find the sweet spot, but finding it in the right timeframe within the unraveling of the kinetic chain, thus affecting all aspects that you mentioned.

    But I have a couple of questions before I fund it:

    1. I suspect that figuring out the right materials is the biggest manufacturing hurdle to get the desired cost, durability and weight in check.
    How far along are you in that process?

    2. Are the funds you are hoping to get mainly for manufacturing or for marketing?

    3. Are you looking to get any (additional) outside investors, besides crowdfunding it through indiegogo?
     
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    looks like his first post appeared and got pulled.
     
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    I wonder why it got pulled
     
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    I think yann has been banned it was his first ever post and he posted two links to the website of the sweet spotter.

    TW pls overturn the ban. he was not aware of the rules !
     
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    how do you know him federkblade
     
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    through Facebook and watching his work. this is a real shame

    Yann can add an aweful lot to our discussions . hes got no real need to use TW to sell It hes friends with will who has millions of subscribers
     
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  29. Rafaboy

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    disagree. one example: backhand slices tend to hit on the 9 half. you can also use the 3 half close to the frame for topspin forehands.If this device is 1/3 the width or so of the normal racket, you are eliminating these sections in play.

    Maybe your contact point is only 3 strings, but the modern players utilize the entire bed in technique. Im not saying on EVERY shot, but the options are there, if you know what i am talking about.
     
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  30. JackB1

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    Yann comes in here and blantantly uses the forum to hawk his product. What did he think TW would do?

    I like his youtube videos, but he is buddies with Will at FYB and they both annoy me with their borderline spamming way of selling their "tennis lessons". They will flood your email inbox with countless "last chance to register" for blah blah course, etc. Extremely annoying.
     
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  31. Federerkblade

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    jack do not talk nonsense

    He was not looking to hawk his product. He was showing the videos of the benefits of using it. plus would have added so much more value



     
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    So tell me then why is he pointing people to his website of his product, if it's not to promote and sell his product?

    There is a reason why his posts were removed by the TW mods. I have nothing personally against Yann, but certainly you can see why they can't allow free advertising for competing tennis products. TW does also sell "tennis traning products". Not exactly like Yann's, but they are training products nonetheless.

    I understand you may be buddies with him or whatever, but you have to see TW's side of it also.
     
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    Interesting product but $200 sounds very pricey.
     
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    Jack I do. TW has rules that we have to abide by. However it was his first post ever. banning him serves no purpose.

    He wasnt aware of explaining the product would be misconstrued but banning a top coach who could give so much value to all of us is silly and pointless. !!!

    I hope you get my point Jack !


     
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  35. JackB1

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    I do get your point but I also understand where TW is coming from. I did ask him a few questions so I was little disappointed that they won't be answered. To ban someone after one mistake sounds a bit harsh to me. Hopefully they will give him another chance as any tennis coach would definitely add value to this place.
     
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  36. Federerkblade

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    so Jack will you support in getting him reinstated


     
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    Sure but it's not up to me
     
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  38. zapvor

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    i have seen yann hit and hes amazing, but this is TW.
     
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    Unless you are in the top 20 ATP, nothing is amazing. There are many good players these days with great technique. Its become the norm.
     
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    .. and about the poster that said you only use 3 mains when hitting the ball. Hello???? half the circumference of the tennis ball, when collapsed into the stringbed, is many times greater than the width of 3 strings. good grief.
     
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    also, here is an illustration that shows the dwell time and path of the ball on the stringbed. Notice that its not confined to a single, three string wide, sweetspot as you claim:

     
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  42. Chotobaka

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    While I think this is an interesting device, $199.00 retail is ridiculous, as is the $50,000.00 target to bring the initial products to market. Yann needs to stick to coaching -- because in the real world it would take a fraction of his "target goal" to bring this to fruition.
     
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  43. zapvor

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    lol what?????? are you crazy. i guess guys like gulbis, davydenko, somdev, or even some davis cup players are not amazing.........
     
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    aww, wonder if we can use this on an actual baseball game. it would be fun to watch. =)
     
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    They are amazing, but more or less the norm, on what you must become.
    But there is a line between what is truly amazing.

    "Amazing," is a subjective judgement on behalf of the veiwer's degree of understanding. Federer may see a 4 year old kid hitting against the wall, and feel that the kid is amazing.

    Amazing therefore, really describes the viewer, not the subject. Thanks.
     
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  46. nyc

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    And you're basing this statement on what?

    Have you developed any products? Have you marketed any products?

    If you did you'd know $50k is a drop in the bucket.
     
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  47. Federerkblade

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    i would say 50k is a not a lot products cost millions to tale to market
     
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    I wonder if a homemade version of these could be made? I have numerous old racquets lying around I wouldn't mind cutting off at the throat. I'm reasonably handy making homemade exercise gizmos (I made my daughter a vertec out of pvc and a volleyball spike trainer I attached to our basketball goal) so I bet I could make something pretty close for a lot less than $199.

    I wonder what could be attached to create a device similar to a Sweet Spotter. Anybody want to speculate?
     
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    One time, I made a hat out of a rock and a stick.
    LOL j/k
     
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    Get an old wooden racket at a Garage Sale
    Get a foot long section of 4" PVC Piping at Home Depot
    Get drilling and bolting
    Hope the weight and balance matches approximately a racket.
     
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