Yay Juan Carlos is BACK

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  1. dunlop kid

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    Ferrero just beat nadal on clay which hopefully means hes back to his brilliant best.Does anyone think it was a fluke or is he back to his best?
     
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  2. bluescreen

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    actually, juan carlos was kinda just THERE. nadal was GONE. at least his feet were. technically, its not a fluke or a return to form because nadal was obviously not at 100%.
     
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  3. Vision84

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    Nadal was injured but played through it rather than retiring.
     
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    This is why I can admire Nadal no matter the outcome because he doesn't just roll over when the going gets tough *cough* Djokovic.
     
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  5. Chauvalito

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    Agreed, Nadal showed some real grit today. that was a brutal blister on his foot.

    Credit to Ferrero, but if not for the scheduling issues of the clay season I suspect Nadal would have no trouble today, as usual.
     
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  6. johnny ballgame

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    C'mon now. JCF was crushing the ball today. Give credit where it is due.
     
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  7. Tennisguy777

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    Poor Nadal: Lost on my birthday. He must be feeling horrible cause I am. I wanted him to be #1 by years end.
     
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  8. flyer

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    i'll give him credit when he beats somebody respectable who is not injured, you cant say a guy is back when they beat somebody thats injured and nowhere near 100%
     
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  9. [d]ragon

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    i just love how when a high ranked pro gets beaten, there always some who post something like "X's career beginning to shine?" (or "X's time is over")
     
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  10. johnny ballgame

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    How about beating the crap out of Nalbandian in Australia this year? Or beating Blake in route to the qtrs of Wimbledon last year. Or beating Gonzo twice last fall. Or Gasquet in Monte Carlo last year. Good enough wins for you?

    Look, I'm not predicting slam wins or a return to the top 5. But JCF is a very, very good player. A fact that is proved by his consistent top ~25 ranking during the last 3 yrs or so.
     
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  11. dunlop kid

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    No matter if nadal wasnt at 100% alot of players still wouldve lost to him.And it wasnt as if ferrero struggled 75 61 is quite easy.In the first nadal wasnt that off its just ferrero is a very very good player.
     
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  12. HoVa

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    agreed. JCF was on fire.

    And he had the perfect strategy. Attack Nadal's backhand by drawing him wide. And then start using angles/depth to keep Nadal offbalance.

    It also helped that he was nailing each and every corner.
     
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  13. dunlop kid

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    Totally correct
     
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  14. TheTruth

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    Glad to see JCF back. He's one of my favorites, but it would have been better without the blisters! Still, JCF was hot today. He came out with a plan and stuck to it!
     
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  15. counter_puncher

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    this guy is the man. he will go all the way. roland garros 2008!
     
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  16. samster

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    Nadal had a big blister on his right foot. Ever try playing tennis with a big blister?
     
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  17. quest01

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    I highly doubt that. The only reason Ferrero won this match is because Nadal was injured. If Nadal was at 100% Ferrero wouldn't have had a chance.
     
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  18. Cyclone

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    now, i may be a bit biased because JCF is one of my all time favorite players, but I think it's a huge win for him, as was said above, even on a bad day for nadal, the guy's still like 104-1 on clay, you gotta suspect that sometime during this amazing run he's had off days and injured days, and still won.

    granted, i'm sure nadal was tired coming off of a bunch of great tournaments where he either went deep or won

    however, JCF is an extremely talented clay courter, and it's taken him a bit of time to find his form and confidence again after chicken pox contributed to ruining his clay court domination. hopefully, he can win the French!!!
     
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    Agreed. I am also a fan of JCF. Great guy as well. Hope for the best with him.
     
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  20. stormholloway

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    So did that blister come out of nowhere? He just won a final in Barca. Are you telling me the blister appeared after that?

    Ferrero was matching Nadal shot for shot and had a great strategy that he implemented perfectly. Ferrero was not "just there". That's ridiculous.
     
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  21. Stchamps

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    JCF also has a groin injury, so Nadal wasn't the only one injured.
     
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  22. superstition

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    Nadal said it began in the previous tournament and got worse.
     
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  23. DarthMaul

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    Did you give credit to Djoker after his win in the AO SF?
     
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  24. 127mph

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    JCF used to be the man to beat on clay and on hardcourt he was up there too, but then he got chicken pox in 2004 and hasnt been the same. i thought he would turn it around after cincy when he made it to the finals in 06, but whatevs.
     
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  25. FEDEXP

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    Geez credit where credit is due; certainly the Brits on the Tennis Channel did. In fact it was stated that the win today was the equal of Juan Carlos's win at the French Open.Ferrero showed great intelligence out there and actually he kept going to Nadal's forehand, producing errors. His concentration was awesome to watch.

    Nadal did not appear to be injured in the least in that first set. If anything though (and hats off to Nadal for playing through the match) those amazing blisters (one in particular) might just show competitors down the way that anyone can have feet of clay at any given time..
     
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  26. kalic

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    Did he use O3 (ozone) or POG longbodies yesterday ? I did not see the match... Btw, JCF still had the most beautiful forehand on the tour...
     
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  27. dunlop kid

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    Ferreoro is awesome.Nadal wasnt too bad but ferrero was just too good on the day.
     
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  28. Arrows

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    Ferrero certainly learned much from MC last week... All congratulations to him. Great tennis.



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    "No, it's Wigner's friend."
     
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  29. babbette

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    JCF just got lucky fighting against a jaded and blistered Nadal. Nadal destroyed him in Monte Carlo 6-4-6-1 and it would've been the same today if Nadal was 100%.
    Poor Nadal, i hope he gets rest. Preferrably, i wouldn't want him to go to Hamburg so he could be fully fit for RG, but then that would mean losing more points. :( How many points does he lose in ROMe and how much would he lose if he skips Hamburg?

    He's class act, though, carrying on with the match and congratulating JCF after. JCF said he had an injury too though but he carried on. Seems he refuses to believe that the only reason he won was because Nadal was injured.

    ATP, also, is getting a good bashing from Nadal, and rightly so!
     
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  30. dunlop kid

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    I mean Ferrero is a 1 of a kind clay courter.Maybe if nadal wasnt here he would've won maybe 3 french opens.
     
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  31. babbette

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    ^^Not with people like Gonzalez, Ferrer and a few others good clay courters around.


    Nadal's presser for those who haven't seen it.
     
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  32. zagor

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    Ferrero playes some great tennis against Nadal,I don't think anyone can deny that even if Nadal was obviously far from 100%.I honestly don't know about
    Ferrero,I thought he finally found his game again when he played amazing in Cinncinati two years ago(where coincidentally he also beat Nadal although that win was on fast hardcourt)but then after that tournament he kind faded away again.I really wish all the best to him,he's in my opinion probably the nicest player on tour.
     
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  33. babbette

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    let's see how far JCF will go now. I mean, who was talking about him before yesterday????????:confused:
     
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  34. pound cat

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    Ferrero was in the zone yesterday and was amazing to watch. He ran everything down and ran Nadal from side to side for the entire match. Will definitely watch his next match to see if he can sustain this type of tennis.
     
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  35. bcast66

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    a win is a win. and stop using the blister as an excuse he chose to enter the tournament like an idiot...... and this is just like those fed fans blaming mono for every loss he has, just pathetic. im glad nadal didn't use this as an excuse though, at least he has a little respect from me now.
     
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  36. Robbie_1988

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    Agreed. Nadal is a great fighter. Although I would advise you not to mock Djokovic. I wonder when Balls in your court will come around to try and defend the Joker's honour. Oh wait, what honour?
     
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  37. babbette

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    Gonzalez, retired, Almagro gets walkover. Yikes. Everyone should just reitre and let Thomas Fabbiano win.
     
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  38. LeftyServe

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    I like Nadal, but I just don't understand these excuse-makers, just dying to take the shine off a great win by JCF. I bet most of you didn't even see the match. And now you're coming off with that sour grape Serena attitude. It was the same with Nalbandian beating Fed in the TMC a couple of years ago. Personally if my guy got beat, I'd want to give proper respect to the guy who beat him.
     
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  39. stormholloway

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    Did you even watch that match? There was no luck involved. Look, I don't see how Nadal's blisters got worse since the final in Barca. If anything, they had time to heal.

    Ferrero outplayed Nadal. Was Nadal in top form? No, but you can't always be in top form. Any player would have had a hell of a time beating Nadal as Ferrero did and 99% of the field still would have lost. Ferrero played outstanding tennis.

    Bug off troll.
     
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  40. babbette

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    hey i'm not a troll!:(

    I was a JCF fan before a Nadal fan, and I admire a lot of other players too, i just don't post a lot. If you notice my register date, i've been here for quite a while.

    I'm going mostly on how the JCF/Nadal rivalry has been going and under normal circumstances, Rafa would've won. I did watch the match, and JCF did play some amazing points, but it looked even better than usual because Nadal couldn't perform to his best.

    I actually want JCF to go on to win now, but i doubt he will.
     
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  41. johnny ballgame

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    The thing is, he never really faded away since 2005. If you look at his rankings history, he has been as high as #15 every year since 2005. But that is where he hits a plateau. He'll fluctuate between 15 and 25 and can't seem to break through. But I don't think that's fading away.
     
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  42. WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis

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    I wouldn't jump to conclusions he's back. He played well, very true, kept his head and everything, but he also played a Nadal who wasn't at his usual. I wouldn't say it was a fluke, he played good tennis. But back to his best IMO is stretching it a bit.
     
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  43. cknobman

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    Anyone who says JCF didnt outplay Nadal yesterday is full of it. Maybe the second set JCF got a break because of Nadal's blister but anyone who watched the match would know JCF took the first set and that had NOTHING to do with Nadal's fatigue or blisters. Nadal was at 100% for that first set but JCF just plain out played him.
     
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  44. Ocean Drive

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    Neither was at 100 percent, but the first set and a bit was highly contested from both. Beating Nadal is no fluke, having to win several points. But no, he probably is not back to his best, he doesn't move quite as well as back then and he has lost a lot of confidence and self belief. This win won't change a whole lot.
     
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  45. WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis

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    I, for one, am not disagreeing. I watched the match. And one could almost see in JCF's eyes that he was there to succeed. No doubt about that. But to say later it wasn't a factor of Nadal's condition...well hm. Never understood the challenging nature of some posts. Honestly would have been sweeter true without this saying of Nadal's condition, but Juan played very well. I was quite pleased as he's always been one of my favorite players, on and off the court.
     
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  46. NamRanger

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    Nadal plays injured constantly, this is not a new thing for him. JCF just ripped forehands like no tomorrow.
     
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  47. mrmo1115

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    i must agree

    jcf really deserved the win he was playing some outstanding tennis
     
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  48. mrmo1115

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    too bad jcf looks like hes going to lose to stan wawrinka
     
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    Nadal looked fine to me. He didn't look nor play any different than against Ferrer in the Barcelona final a few days ago. Yes, he had a blister on his foot but so do most pros. And it was so taped up that I doubt he could feel it much. I really don't think Nadal has any excuse at all. Ferrero just simply outplayed Nadal and made fewer unforced errors. That's the bottom line.
     
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  50. dunlop kid

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    No one should forget that ferrero was also injured with a groin injury.
     
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