Years in a row that a player has won a slam

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  1. jukka1970

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    Was reading under a different topic about the amount of years people have won things and Zaragoza said we should take a look at who's done what. So I have, and here are the streaks. AO=Australian Open, FO=French Open, W=Wimbledon, US=US Open. Years of 1968-Now are used. (Open era) This list is only of male players

    Both Bjorn Borg and Pete Sampras won at least 1 slam title for 8 years in a row.
    Bjorn Borg: 74-75 FO, 76-77 W, 78-80 FO and W, 81 FO.
    Pete Sampras: 93 W and US, 94 W, 95 W and US, 96 US, 97 AO and W, and 98-00 W.

    Roger Federer has 6 years in a row (still possible to increase)
    Roger Federer: 03 W, 04 AO, W and US, 05 W and US, 06-07 AO, W and US, 08 US.

    Rafael Nadal has 5 years in a row (still possible to increse, this years AO already counted)
    Rafael Nadal: 05-07 FO, 08 FO and W, 09 AO.

    Ivan Lendl has 4 years in a row.
    Ivan Lendl: 84 FO, 85 US, 86-87 FO and US.

    and Finally Andrea Agassi, Stefan Edberg and John McEnroe all have 3 years in a row.
    Andre Agassi: 99 FO and US, 00-01 AO.
    Stefan Edberg: 90 W, 91-92 US.
    John McEnroe: 79-80 US, 81 W and US.

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  3. AndrewD

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    I think the OP was referring to player's who actually faced quality opposition.
     
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    At least 1 Slam a year for 13 years is just crazy. That's, what, 3 generations of players??

    I only saw Chrissie play at the end of her career, but what a career.

    Same with the talk of Fed and Pete's Grand Slams...Steffi Graf won 22! Wimbledon AND Roland Garros at least four times each.

    Not sure what qualifies as 'quality opposition,' since professional tennis is professional tennis and winning is winning.
     
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    Great! I have done some research of my own about that so if you don't mind I'd like to add my own list!
    Sampras 8 1993-2000
    Borg 8 1974-81
    Federer 6 2003-08
    Nadal 5 2005-09
    Lendl 4 1984-87
    Wilander 4 1982-85
    McEnroe 3 1979-81
    Agassi 3 1999-01
    Edberg 3 1990-92
    Courier 3 1991-93
    Vilas 3 1977-79
    Rosewall 3 1970-72
    I'd like to work now on how many years winning at least a slam overall. I know Sampras has 10 and I have to research the others.
    Thanks for starting this thread!
     
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  6. coloskier

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    Are you saying that Martina Navratilova, Gabrielle Sabatini, and Monica Seles were not quality opposition? Better get back on your meds.
     
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    Since some are talking about lack of opposition, Graf won 22 only because Seles was stabbed. It is easy to win slams when your main rival was removed from the tour in such brutal way.
     
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    Uh, you might want to do a little research. Seles and Sabatini were not Chris Evert's competition.
     
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    Seles' stabbing was, personally, the most shocking moment in tennis.

    BTW I think both pro tours are--by definition--quality competition. I'm just going off straight Slam count and despite not being much of a WTA count, Evert and Graf put up some awesome numbrs.
     
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    Note so Margaret Court, Billie Jean King, Goolalong, Navratilova, Hana Mandlikova and Tracy Austin not competition.

    Throwin in Turnbull, Shriver and Sukova you have a powerful field that Evert had to deal with.

    More competition probably than Sampras and Federer at career peaks. The fact that Evert could get slams in during Navratilova's dominance years is something.
     
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    Graf is unlucky not to end up with around 30, if you consider her slump during her Dad's legal issues which allowed seles to grab some slams v lesser opponents in finals, and her injuries when she was winning 3 slams a year.

    Seles had ample chances to prove herself but got dominated by Hingis and others.



     
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    whats the record for years in a row LOSINg a slam final? Lendl? Fed is doing pretty well too- 4 years in a row losing a slam final.
     
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    Guess I forgot a couple. Thanks for adding Wilander, Courier and Rosewall, was getting tired when staring at the excel program data.

    cool, it'll be interesting to know that as well about the amount of years overall.

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    I should have put in that it was only the Men's List that I looked at. Not that the women don't have impressive stats and data, I just haven't looked at it yet.

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    I find it really odd when people use competition when comparing people of the same generation. The players Seles beat in her slam finals (Novotna/ Sanchez/ Navratilova/Fernandez) were the same players Graf beat in hers, so if Seles played lesser opponents, so did Graf, so they are both as ****e as each other.
     
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    Wow what an ignorance and lack of common knowledge.
    1. Seles proved herself. Seles - Graf H2H in slam finals before stabbing was 3-1. Seles was clearly dominating Graf on all surfaces except grass.
    2. Seles was never the same after the stabbing. She was never able to recover pschycologically from the ON COURT stabbing. And mentioning her later years when Hingis was playing in this context makes no sense.
    3. It is clear and obvious that Graf would have at least 5 slam titles less if stabbing never happened.
    4. As someone said Graf faced the same opposition as Seles.

    Anyway. Attitude like one displayed in quoted post is exactly what that Graf adoring punk had in mind when he did the stabbing. One good reason why stabbing has to be mentioned every single time someone mentions Graf as a GOAT and her 22 slams. We can't let him win.
     
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  17. Moose Malloy

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    Years in a row a player has reached a major final

    Sampras 11 ('92-'02)
    Lendl 11 ('81-'91)
    Borg 8 ('74-'81)
    Federer 7 ('03-'09)
    McEnroe 7 ('79-'85)
    Edberg 7 ('87-'93)
    Connors 5 ('74-'78)
    Agassi 5 ('99-'03)
    Nadal 5 ('05-'09)
    Rosewall 5 ('68-'72)
     
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  18. GameSampras

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    Well Sampras 14 slams in 13 seasons. Thats a little over 1 a year
     
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    Overall # of years at winning at least a slam (open era):
    Sampras: 10
    Borg: 8
    Agassi : 7
    Federer, Lendl, Edberg: 6
    Nadal, Connors, Wilander, McEnroe, Becker: 5
    Newcombe, Rosewall: 4
    Courier, Vilas, Ashe, Kuerten, Kodes: 3
    It's amazing how Borg, despite a very short career, remains the second best in slam longevity!
     
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    AFAIK, the most number of slam finals in 19 by Lendl. Sampras at 17 or 18 ? Federer must have similar number. The longest period between 1st and last slam ? Lendl ?
     
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  21. Moose Malloy

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    A 10 year career really isn't 'short,' imo.

    its Sampras, if you just mean the open era.
     
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  22. That's kind of a strange way of looking at it I think. Punished for being one of the best? There are far worse things than losing a major final.
     
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    1 Exactly how was Seles "clearly dominating" Graf when their career H2H at the time of the stabbing was 6-4 in favor of Graf? In major finals, Seles was up 3-1. They played in June 1990 in French (Seles 76,64) and then not again until June 1992 French (Seles 62,36,108), July 1992 Wimbledon (Graf 62,61) and then January 1993 Australian (Seles 46,63,62). They played 2x on clay, 1x grass and 1x hard. Seles won 6 sets, Graf won 4 sets. Hardly says dominance to me.
    2. What evidence do you have that it is "clear and obvious" that Graf would have won 5 less Slams had Seles been playing? Which 5 Slams?

    Oh and for the record, Graf and Seles played 15 times H2H. Graf won 10. That's a 2-1 advantage. The only advantage Seles had was at Australian where she won both matches. Graf lost a total of 4 games in their 2 Wimbledon meetings. 4 games. In 2 US Open finals, Graf won both. In their 4 French Open matches, they split. In their career on clay, they split 6 matches. Graf won both of their indoor matches. In finals, Graf won 6 of their 10 encounters.

    When evaluating careers you have to take everything into account. The good and the bad. And how players reacted to conditions within and outside their control. That's what defines greatness. No doubt Steffi Graf had a far greater career than Monica Seles - who definitely had a very, very good career.
     
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    Lendl lost a Slam final in 1981 (French), 1982 (US Open), 1983 (US Open and Australian), 1984 (US Open), 1985 (French), 1986 (Wimbledon), 1987 (Wimbledon), 1988 (US Open), 1989 (US Open). Total of 9 years. But that's also 9 straight years of being in at least 1 major final. And it was actually 11 years, a she won 1990 Australian and reached the 1991 Australian finals.

    Sampras also reached at least 1 Slam final for 11 straight years.

    Evonne Goolagong lost a Slam final in 1971 (Australian), 19872 (French and Wimbledon), 1973 (Australian and US Open), 1974 (US Open), 1975 (Wimbledon and US Open), 1976 (Wimbledon and US Open).
    Goolagong lost the most consecutive finals in one major - the US Open - 4 times.

    Chris Evert lost a Slam final every year from 1978-1985.
     
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    1. You count Graf's 3 wins in 1989 when Seles was 16 years old. Also all Graf's post stabbing wins against, not in form, demoralized Seles have an asterisk. You take out grass wins by Graf from the rest and what is left is clear domination. If winning 3 non grass slams per year before stabbing is not domination than I don't know what it is.

    2. Graf's asterisk slams Seles would have won if there was no stabbing:
    - FO 1993
    - USO 1993
    - AO 1994
    - FO 1995
    - USO 1995
    - FO 1996
    - USO 1996

    Here, that is 7 for you. Seles played on last 3 but of course stabbing still had an huge impact on her game. Seles would have also likely won some other slams that Sanchez and other won as well.

    Graf's fans are so defensive and would like us to forget that stabbing ever happened . That is exactly what Parche would want, but fortunately there are people who would not let that happen.
     
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  26. boredone3456

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    I love how a thread ment to Discuss male runs at majors is turning into another Graf vs Seles thread.
     
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    Maybe but still 25 is about as young as it gets for retiring!
     
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    Get back to me when you can write a comment without using the words, "would have", "could have", "should have", and "if"

    PS - Just looked up all those Graf victories. Funny, not a single one had an asterisk next to them.
     
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    Could anybody research # of years of winning at least one title? I think Agassi is the leader with 18 years!
     
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    use the search engine, I'm sure its there(vive le be jeau has posted a lot of this stuff in the past)
     
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    Yet another admirer of Gunther Parche's achievements.
     
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    An admirer of Steffi Graf's achievements. Thank You!

    I haven't seen a post yet without "would have" "could have" "should have" "if only" <sigh>

    And still waiting on a record that has an asterisk.

    And oh, may favorite movie quote: From "A Few Good Men" when Jack Nicholson says to Tom Cruise: "You can't handle the truth!"
     
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    No, you can't handle the truth that almost half of Graf's achievements are owed to Gunter's dagger. Seles is the only player in the history who is stabbed on the TENNIS court by a fan of her opponend and the fact is that opponent profited greatly from it.
    So using "would have" with stabbing in mind is quite appropriate when Seles' and Graf's overall careers are evaluated.

    Ignoring the stabbing and insisting on negating the effect the stabbing had on Seles' and Graf's careers is exactly what that Graf adoring idiot had in mind. We just can't let people like him and you win and that is why stabbing is brought up every time someone mentions Graf as a GOAT or her 22 slams.
     
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    you shouldnt have included Andrea Agassi then!:evil:
     
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    Sorry GJ. we are cool and everything but you are being quite delusional here.
    i have said it before and ill say it again. what has happened to Monica is the most shamefull moment in the hystory in tennis but:

    1 - Graf has no direct part in it - it was a crazy fan
    2 - Graf has no fault that Monica couldnt get her things together for more than 3 years past her Extremely Sad Incident
    3 - There is no way to know if Monica would have been there to take her the titles.

    what you are trying to do is belitle Graf's achievementes because of the absence of Monica wich is not acceptable. this is like that thread about Federer winning FO in Nadal's Absence due to injury... would it have an asterisk? NO..

    please understand im not having a go at you. im just sharing my view. ;-)
     
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    Lol of course it would
     
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    i kindly ask fangirls to keep themselves out of this conversation.
     
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    But that wouldn't be the same,injuries are frequent occurences in any sport so I would swallow that whole Monica situation way easier if it was an injury that took her out of the game but what happened to her was nothing like that.A crazy lunatic stabbing her didn't just leave physical scars but deep physological as well,it was a situation not comparable to anything else in tennis IMO,ever.

    Not that I don't see your point,I'm certainly not blaming Graf for what happened to Monica(she even visited her in hospital then),she can't be blamed for the actions of her fans,no player can.She beat the opposition that was put in front of her and that's all that you can ask of any player to do,her 22 slams are no fluke,she's a great player,one of the best ever but it's not easy letting that incident go and not wandering "what if",especially if you're from Serbia(or former Jugoslavija if you wish)like gj011 and myself are,that incident hurt.
     
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    of Federer? I hate Federer.
     
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    Evert holds the all time record man or woman with 13 straight years of winning at least one major. A record that will stand for a very long time.
     
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    Sorry but can't accept your arguments.

    About Federer and FO. If Nadal was injured than there would be no asterisk, but if Nadal was stabbed by a ******* on the tennis court, of course there would be an asterisk. You can't compare the two.

    Yes Graf had no direct part in it, but it does not matter when you judge their overall career acheivemens. The stabbing factor has to be included.
    The fact is that Graf profited greatly by disgraceful action of her fan, whose intention was exactly that, to allow her to win more slams than she could have won if Seles was around. So pretending that stabbing never happened and counting Grafs 22 slams without asterisk on some, like many ignorant Graf's fans do here, is doing exactly what Parche wanted and why he pulled a knife and is not acceptable.

    I also think that Graf didn't handle the situation properly. Yes she visited Monika in the hospital, but that was it. After she pretended that nothing happened. She should have been more outspoken about the incident and should have acknowledged that she has profited from it. But that is a topic for another discussion.
     
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    Ok. lets just say we have diferent views. i think that one must not confuse the absence and motif for that absence.

    this in not saying that not playing bacause of injury is the same as being stabbed by a lunatic no way... but the outcome is the same.

    as for the way graf handled the whole thing, like you said... it would take us a longer mile. lets not go!

    ps: not a Graf Fan here...:-|
     
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    yeah, i know! i can tell form here you are another nadalete... great.. just what we neded... another one!
     
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    Lol I hate Nadal too. Djokovic is ok, but there hasn't been a tennis player really worth supporting since Henman and Rafter retired
     
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    sorry then.. my bad! be advised this place is full 12 year old girls disguised as 35 yo tennis coaches!
     
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    Drats! How did you know?!?


    I'm of the opinion that while Seles being around would probably have resulted in less slams for Graf, it doesn't take away anything from her wins. It's not certain she would have lost them. I firmly believe you play the hand you're dealt. You can't fault (or asterisk) her for doing that.

    Perhaps it is important to keep on having this discussion because it will keep the tragedy at the forefront. That's something newer generations (even us 12 yo) should never forget.
     
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    Steffi Graf owes a good deal of gratitude (& Deutsche Marks as well!) to that knife wielding mental ******. Her shelf would have many less than the 22 slam cups without that external help.

    Monica had just won 8 of the previous 11 slams. 8 of 11! There's no question she'd have won many more. Sad incident, but thats life.
     
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    Sef, you very well i wasnt talking about you. even if in fact you are a 12 yo girl.:)

    ps: nor Zag or GJ for what is worth...
     
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    Yes, I know. But it wasn't Steffi's fault so her credentials and achievements shouldn't be tainted because of it. She still had to go out there and win her matches. She didn't ask for any external help. IMO if you belittle her victories, you're partially blaming her. And that's not fair. Again, just my opinion. I can see the other side, but that's how I feel. Yes, I'm a Steffi fan. She's the first tennis player I remember watching play. I understand I might be somewhat biased, but it is what it is.
    : ) Sadly, it's 12 x 2 plus 2 in chronological age. Also sad, I do not possess enough tennis acumen to teach even two year olds.
     
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