Yes or NO Fed wins FO-GOAT

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  1. richied

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    I thought I'd get this thread in, just incase Fed wins the FO.

    If you had a gun to your head and you had to choose 'yes' or 'no' (only, no comments please) to the question below, what would you die hard tennis fans say.

    If Fed wins the FO he becomes the GOAT?

    I'll start the ball rolling

    NO
     
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  3. vndesu

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    even as a fan of federer i wouldnt be able to see him win fo.
    if he did win FO hed either had to really step his game up like 200% or nadal injured.
    but i still say nadal gonna win FO
     
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  4. velkov

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    yes
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  5. Blinkism

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    No...

    This would be a good poll.
     
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  6. thejoe

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    If he wins it, then yes of course. I don't see how you could disagree.
     
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  7. Gen

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    No. And he won't win it.
     
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  8. ChanceEncounter

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    If he wins the French Open, who would have a better resume?
     
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  9. Winners or Errors

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    I think it'd take more than that. He'd have to pull an Agassi and re-invent himself into another period of dominance, even if it was just for one more year. Has to, at this point, be more than simply winning the French Open.
     
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  10. velkov

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    that's it - exactly
     
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  11. Pirao

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    If he wins it, yes I would consider him the GOAT. But I don't think he'll win it anytime soon, if at all.
     
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  12. THERAFA

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    If Federer wins the French Open he still won't end up with more slams than the Rafa, so it won't matter. The Rafa will retire with the most slams and the head-to-head record and most likely Calender Year Grand slam, so Federer winning RG won't make him GOAT.
     
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  13. obsessedtennisfandisorder

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    It's easy to say "just yes or no"

    a) fed wins fo but doesn't have toplay nadal
    b) fed wins fo beating nadal final.

    I say YES to a or b, but I'll think many people will say no if scenario a.

    and ofcourse many will say no anyway and bring up laver etc...

    if nadal doesn't make the french final to beat fed again...that's his fault.
     
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  14. luckyboy1300

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    YES! laver's accomplishments are extremely overrated.
     
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  15. Avril_lover7

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    He beat Nadal before + He beat Nadal on Clay..

    then YES!!!

    i believe it could happen if the hard work and the smart strategy exists..!

    add to that , he wants it so much, to be listed on his accomplishment paper ..
     
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  16. deltox

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    FANBOI!!!!!!!

    lets try to stay in the season and possibly next since nadal has alot of slams left to win.
     
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  17. deltox

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    everyon forgets miami, Rafa can have bad days. Usually doesnt on FO week but he is human.
     
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  18. fantom

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    If he wins it by beating Nadal....definitely yes.

    If he wins w/o facing Nadal......he's in the conversation, but it's not undisputed.
     
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  19. deltox

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    tied with Sampras if he wins the french, goat if he wins one more anywhere

    10 years from now noone will care if he faced nadal in the finals or not.
     
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  20. Avril_lover7

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    you have to read my post again,
    or i'm the one who didn't get you..! :???:

    :)
     
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  21. Avril_lover7

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    i could believe Rafa can have bad days, if you belive Federer can have bad years..! (seasons)



    i ment Federer beat Nadal once on clay + Federer beat Nadal several times before
    that means he can win it over Nadal , WHY NOT?
     
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  22. deltox

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    sorry im struggling to understand your post, my bad.
     
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  23. JediMindTrick

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    It doesn't matter if I had a gun to my head or not the answer is yes, for sure he is the goat. Even if he doesn't win the FO, if he wins 2 more majors, then he becomes the goat.
     
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  24. AprilFool

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    Agreed. ..
     
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  25. cknobman

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    Yes(must be Nadal he beats in final though) and until Fed wins FO or has at least 16 GS titles and regains #1 ranking then his chances of being a undisputed GOAT are slim.

    (Nadal fans of course say no but who cares anyways they are deluded in their own little world of Nadalism and worshiping him)
     
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  26. THERAFA

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    Oh yeah stay in the season, like the *******s talking about the Rafa not being able to walk at age 27? Nice try, but the big picture has already been well and truly looked at, and here's your worst nightmare - 2 Calender Year Grand Slams on the horizon.
     
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  27. deltox

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    i wish you were my neighbor,, id take alot of money off you if you dare backed up that last statement
     
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  28. THERAFA

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    I'd have already taken all your money by predicting the Rafa would win Wimbledon 08 and Australian Open 09. You wouldn't have enough money to live in my neighborhood after that, because I had no doubt he'd win both those slams.
     
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  29. deltox

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    lol, just nm, your a waste of time trying to debate.
     
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  30. THERAFA

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    Nice finish, thanks for the win.
     
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  31. lordmanji

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    he can win any slam, tie pete, and be the goat since he's made it to three fo finals.
     
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  32. HodeClassicMP

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    YES, absolutely. He s already a GOAT 3years ago.
     
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  33. P_Agony

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    Nobody will ever become the absolute GOAT, as nobody is perfect. Everyone has their perosnal GOAT however and for me that's Federer, whether he ever wins the FO or never wins a title again, he's earned that honor.
     
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  34. Cyan

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    No...............
     
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  35. ChanceEncounter

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    Again, I ask, if he wins the FO, who would have a better resume? All of the champions have struggled to beat a rival before, especially on their weaker surface. Who would you take as a GOAT over Federer if he had 14+ slams and a FO championship?

    Unless Rafa wins a bunch more slams, I don't see anyone else that would be ranked ahead of Federer.
     
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  36. vtmike

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    YES!!!!!!! He already is the GOAT for me...
     
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  37. egn

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    Open Era wise it would be hard to say he is not the GOAT..yet however if it is not against Rafael Nadal then the case can be easily made. If he does not beat him in his French Open title run than it might be iffy, but if he beats him in the semis or finals (depending on his rank) than what is stopping him from his claim. Accomplishment wise he will have done what Sampras and Borg were unable to do, he will have completed the set, have all four titles and has enough slams to be crowned the king. Of course it would not be 100% but during the open era it would be hard to dispute it. He won two slams 5 years in a row, has 3 Australians and then a french open..it would be tough to make a case against him. He dominated the tour for four years and frankly you could overlook the losing head to head against Murray as Murray is the next big gun and he is no longer at the top of his game. However the head to head with Nadal is still going to be a problem and that might ultimately hurt him in the end. Although on the surface it appears that fact can hurt it, but by beating Nadal in the French Open he could change that. If he wins the French Open without facing Nadal he does not solidify anything and the current debate continues.

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    Whether he wins it beating or not beating Nadal he is not the all time GOAT. Laver accomplished a lot more, won a lot more, had a longer period of dominance and did not have someone he could not conquer. Laver still holds that title, always has and it seems very hard for someone to change that in my eyes. Even Nadal has a way to go. If you count his professional majors with his slams he won about 20 major titles..that is a lot.
     
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  38. slicefox

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    Yes! Goat!!
     
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  39. Blade0324

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    THis post is absolutely spot on. We all have our GOAT and there will be no consensus on that. Well said.
    For me I say no he would not be the GOAT even if he wins the French and passes Sampras. For the record I don't think he'll ever win a French and I don't think he'll surpass Sampras.
     
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  40. egn

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    Many feel that way because he has time and time again fallen to Nadal on every surface in slam finals. He has lost to him on all three surfaces. Nadal is 3-0 on him at France and 1-0 at Australia..him having the winning records on 2 surfaces is a problem. He will win the FO but he might still be questioned as his horrible record against Nadal is going to shadow him. He is 1-9 against him on clay and he does not dominate him on a surface..they are 3-3 on hard and 2-1 on grass. So if they are level on 2 surfaces and Nadal crushes him on one and that is the slam he is lacking it would still be great for him to win it, but not beating Nadal in the process might not make him instant great. He needs to conquer his rival on the big stage. I would think it would look better if he won Wimby and US this year beathing Nadal on both occasions and scored two more wins on hard courts against him. Making it 10-13 and even if Nadal gets a win or two on clay this year making it 10-15 at least he claims winning records on two surfaces. The French Open is the icing on the cake..but if he does not fix the Nadal problem there will be no cake.
     
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  41. FEDERER>buttpicker.

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    federer has got the FO sown up already.
     
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  42. obsessedtennisfandisorder

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    ^^^ I agree above,, it's the major issue right now....goal posts or not.

    If fed beats pete's record but has a losing head to head (say 3-7 or so)
    with nadal, how can we claim he is goat when he wasn't even best in his
    own era. and if he wins french without facing rafa, people will say (*)

    The idea is to "master" all surfaces...something laver fanboys refer to.

    PS: laver resume is not without asterisks either, after turning pro in 63 he
    got his butt kicked by gonzales and other pros....the pro-amatuer war.

    Having said that i agree he is my goat as it stands...great player.

    this is all hypotheitcal, unless he serves and volleys, he wont win french:shock::twisted:
     
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  43. VivalaVida

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    that would be a huge Yes! :D but i doubt it is gonna happen
     
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  44. FEDERER>buttpicker.

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    i know you would agree.
     
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  45. saram

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    I cannot believe there is no poll with this posed question....
     
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  46. FEDERER>buttpicker.

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    no poll needed. federer is guaranteed FO.
     
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  47. saram

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    I agree....

    But then someone else comes along and the GOAT discussion once again opens up.
     
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  48. saram

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    There will never be a GOAT. Period.
     
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  49. FEDERER>buttpicker.

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    fed is guaranteed FO.
     
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  50. helloworld

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    Even if there is a GOAT, it's not going to be a guy with pathetic 13-6 record against his main rival. A GOAT is not number 2 of his generation. He must be the best and only the best of his generation first and foremost.
     
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