Discussion in 'Racquets' started by ZhengJieisagoddess, Sep 20, 2009.
are you saying 100 is also good for serve and volleying?
yes I am, play mostly doubles now myself, and it has a much better feel on the volley than the PD imo
what about power on the serve and punch on that 1st volley ?
might not serve as big as far as speed, but more predictable and control is better, volleys are what sold me on the 100.
Just bought a few Ezone Xi 100s after a year of demoing everything. I love the racquet and am glad to have found something I can get familiar with after so much switching around.
VCore Tour 89 vs RDiS 100 Mid ?
Can anyone compare the Tour 89 to the RDiS100 Mid?
As for the VCore Xi 100 and 98, I've hit them quite a bit over the past couple of months (they were available in Australia in November) and found them to be firmer, more stable and more solid than the VCore 100 and 98 although I didn't feel they were quite as comfortable. I think they're an improvement on the VCore although I'd personally take the X98 over either of them.
tonight will be my first hit with the vcore 89, Now i strung my new Vcores with Pacific Gut mains @ 52 and Alu Power crosses @ 50
i will update you for sure.
i used to have these Wilsons by order :
blx blade 98 ( pro hurricane tour - @ 52 ) loved it but needed something heavier and more head light.
blx pro staff 95 ( lux Alu power @ 52 ) best racket i used specs wise, but i caused me a wrist injury that kept me away from tennis for 6 months, it is definately something with that amplifeel :?
Pro staff 85 ( VS Babolat @ 55 ) this is the ultimate tennis experience in my opinion, just pure magic. I bought the racket for fun only but cant compete with it. although i had no trouble with the 85 sq inch head size but to be realistic its very demanding.
Your new string set-up will be an easy translation for me...I was using nattie/poly hybrids in my YTPP and 002Tour. Ditto on the "demanding" aspect of the PS85...back in the early 90's I was convinced to try it by my pro who was Open-level #1 in Florida and played it...worked for him, not so much for me. I soon switched back to Yonex (IIRC, RD-Tour).
Pro Staff 85, the newer one does not play nor feel like the older one, vcore tour 89 is immensely better racket, I have never played with a racket that small that is so forgiving, not even close and it is just as big as the pro staff 85, if anybody has both you can compare, it's almost no difference in size. It's tough to use both on clay, since 3 months are spent on clay for ATP but in Europe there is clay tournaments all season long I'd say the 89 is a racket for a real player, not one of the Jrs I train with with single back hand uses a small racket anymore.
For sure it's a lovely racket.
ok so i send both my vcores for stringing ( bringing my own strings with me ) with the hybrid setup i told you about pacific tough gut in the mains @ 50 - Alu power in crosses @ 52 when i went to receive my racket i found that they mistakely string one racket with the pacific tough gut and the other racket with the Alu power !!! i was mad really but could do nothing about it as the stringer was not on duty at the time and i was in a hurry as i was hitting with the rackets later that night, so i took both my rackets and went for the hitting session.
any way back to reviewing, i decided to try the one strung with the pacific gut first, added 2 grams of lead at 12 ...
i dont know where to start really, this stick is amazing. after changing 3 rackets in 1 year i couldn't beleive i finally found it.
here is how i feel on every stroke:
Serves : very easy to serve with and placing the ball anywhere i wanted, you can find lots of power on flat serves and when you hit the sweetspot the serve is DEADLY.
i got alot of spin and kick on my 2nd serve with accurate placing as well.
backhand: SWEET is how i describe it with the vcore 89, the racket is fast and very manuevrable.
the best slicing racket in the whole universe and this is not an exagerration
returning serve with the backhand slice is not a defensive shot it is a weapon. you can put it deep and in any corner.
forehand: here is where i felt i need some adjustment on my forehand as it is different than the wilson feel , some shots were sailing long but i beleive if a poly string comes in with that gut this issue will be solved.
i felt need some more time hitting with the racket to get back my running forehands and cross courts and inside out shots.
Volleys: as everyone who tested this racket keeps saying, it is incredible on volleys. I enjoyed volleying and had alot of confidence coming to the net. Very solid and stable and manuevrable, what more do you need when volleying ? put away shots was a joy.
i have no idea how the swing wieght is 335 it felt more like 310, the 89 inch is like a 95, that is true.
overall i loved it and really impressed with it. A new yonex fan.
I don't know how you guys can use gut with these VCores, these rackets are so powerful I can't even imagine what gut will do to them.
I have a 97 with Alu Power Rough 57-54 and a 89 with Original 53-50, still powerful, after 2-3 hours the strings give up pretty badly, specially playing on clay.
I will switch the strings for something else, I'm thinking about the Yonex Poly Tour HS, I heard is low powered.
These 2 rackets are really excellent, once I decide I will try to get a few for free, since I'm coaching quite a few Jrs, I will travel to AO Jr this year with one of them.
Midguytenis, how do you compare the two yonexes? I am using 89 right now and find it a bit low power.
Both are very powerful (to me), so you have to adjust your shot length based on tension.
So you should lower the tension if your balls are short.
The difference between the 2 are noticeable:
89 is more demanding for timing and footwork, very fast and very maneuverable, it's actually too fast for me. I already put 3g of lead on each side, now it plays just how I wanted it to, PERFECT. For a small racket there is no better this is it, I don't think there is anything like this.
97- is another really great racket, I will use it coaching on clay hitting with the kids, paying sets ..., it is extremely forgiving, more powerful, less maneuverable and more versatile than 89. I don't hit with other rackets much, but these rackets are really great.
Even if I don't get them for free I will buy them.
Someone's buying my RQiS 1 Tours today. This officially restarts my racquet search.
Just a few questions on the 98D and Vcore Xi 98.
1. What's the difference between the two? Just the shape? The Xi's stiffness is way up there at 70ish.
2. Is the 98d's stiffness comparable to my XL 95? Both are at 65. OR is it a different type of flex? I'm looking for a lot of free power this time.
3. How does both sticks react to lead? Whatever I get, I'm planning of leading it up to 11.8 ounces, 330 SW, 6 HL
Thanks in advance
1. The Vcore Xi feels more solid. less vibrations
2. The 98d feels like a babolat pure drive. a little less stiffer
can anyone compare the vcore 89 with vcore 98 ? power, maneuverability , control , serve, two handed backhand?
How are these new vCore xi's playing for people?
Looking at the stiffness ratings, Yonex has bumped them up quite a bit. Disappointing. The Vcores (except for the 95d) played super-stiff. First racquets I've played with that irritated my elbow.
A shame, because I loved how the 98d and 100s played. Are these new ones any more comfortable despite the flex ratings?
Not sure if they had the 100 or the 98, but I saw two tennis team members carrying VCORE Xi's into the cafeteria at the university at which I work today. Really nice-looking racquets in person.
anyone could compare the user feedback of vcore 89 against my previously used yy rkt ,
like vcore95 ,rdis93, 001 90 , ti70 mid and midplus,mp1 90??
do anyone using them b4 ??
pls comment.also the feel difference? i m using vcore95 now.
anyone using vcore could share yr view ?
I've played with RQiS Tour 1 Light customized to 305g/32.8cm unstrung and switched about a month ago to RDIS 200 Light (310g/32.8cm). Feels great, but took some time to adjust Generating spin is still very easy, plenty of control and it just feels very smooth.
I really liked the 95d. I there a planned upgrade? It seems a shame that you can get a thinner beamed and heavier version in 89 and 97 but not 95.
I love this thread. yonex all the way.
shameless bump? lol
My Yonexes are sitting in my closet, while I am pimping out with my Pacific X Forces...
With the exact string setup, the VC97 has too much power for me. I prefer the polarised setup of the Pacifics, better suits my playing style.
I bought two brand new RDiS100 Mids (93sq) and never got around to playing with them before trying the VCore Tour 97 (310g). Does everything very well, good solid feel and response despite the lighter weight plus an excellent combination of power and control.
The only thing I'm not keen on is the string pattern. It is 16x20 but I'd prefer 16x19. Doesn't seem like a big deal but, when you're splitting hairs, it makes a difference. I'm looking to get around that by using an 18 or 19 gauge string. Don't like the way most polys feel in it; need it to have a very soft feel. Prefer it with a simple synth gut or a low-powered multi.
Compared to the VCore 98: a lot more feel, a lot more mobile, a lot more versatile.
Compared to the Ezone Xi 98: not as crisp as the Xi. More feel, more control, less spin, less power.
Syke mentioned this in one of the two(?) lengthy threads devoted to the VCore 97. IIRC, he said the flimsy stock grip is something around 1.2mm or something like that?
Having removed the pathetic stock grips off my RDX500's, I'm inclined to agree they're very, very thin and thinner than Babolat Skin Feel's 1.55mm. In fact fitting a Skin Feel onto my 4 1/2 RDX instantly blew it out. So when I decide to pull the trigger on a VCore or two, I'll go 3/8
I definitely think the grip sizes for Yonex racquets are larger. I bought 3/8s when I should have just gone 1/4 for my 97T
Yes very true. I noticed the same thing on the VCore XI 98. You can always replace the original grip with a Prince Resi Thin replacement grip and it will lower the grip size by a 1/4. Its a good grip too.
Using Babolat skin feel at the moment and it's ok. I plan to buy more sticks, maybe switching to the 310 version and adding a bit of weight to the handle. I'll probably just go down a grip size.
Vcore Xi 98
There hasn't been a lot of talk regarding the new VCore Xi 98. I've had one for a few days now and played with it twice. Very solid racquet. Similar to the vcore 98D, but as some others have said, it's more solid and stable. Plow thru seems better. Mine is 11.5 (Strung and with a new butt under grip) and 6pts HL. Feels like a true players frame but is manueverable and forgiving. Great power and control. I am use to playing with the PD and Instinct types, so this is a little different, but so far, so good. It's slightly more demanding (then the pd types), but the control and feeling you get is superior. very nice feeling racquet that does everything well.
I had one briefly, 2-3 weeks, traded it for a 97T 310g. So far I like 97T.
I liked it, but prefer the 97T, which is more forgiving than Vcore Xi 98 and more spin friendly too, the lack of power I adjusted with low tension, vcore xi 98 has too much pop, I didn't want to go higher in tension with Poly Tour Spin.
BTW Babolat skin feel is 14 - 15 grams and the factory Yonex grip is around 10g. It will throw off the balance of your racket.(If you don't mind).
Played wilsons for 2 years, my early juniors, then played head basically from age 15 until about 3 months ago. I am now a collegiate player at 19 and could not imagine playing with any other racket ever again for the rest of my life. Was really content with my Prestige MP until I got to college where players were generating a lot more power and able to control it much better. I needed a stable racket that could handle the heavy balls and more importantly, generate heavy balls itself. I was aware Yonex made high quality rackets and I knew Wawrinka used Yonex (I play w/ a onnie so I love him haha), so I demoed some Yonex rackets on a whim. Playing the Yonex 95D atm, and my game has improved so much since I began using it. Feels like I'm swinging a butter knife through liquid butter. On another note, I'm devastated the 95D is discontinued and will soon purchase matched pairs of as many 95Ds as I possibly can...
Well, I'm 'all in' on the 97 Tour (310g).
I bought one a couple of weeks ago, strung it w/ 17g Pacific Classic gut mains/Mosquito Bite poly crosses @ 54/52 and lined the throat w/ lead to bring it up to 12.1oz (includes string/overgrip/dampener/tax/tag/title/etc.). I played a couple of doubles matches and liked it, but hadn't payed a full singles match until yesterday.
I served great, nailed my groundies & returns, and hit some solid volleys. Yes, it plays stiff, but that is something I like about it.
The X Force Pros have had a great run, and I'm sad to see them go, but its time to move on & come back (yet again) to Yonex...
For the record, this will be my 5th Yonex frame, starting with the R 22 and previously ending w/ the RD Power 10 Long.
5 extra grams on the handle will only add 1 more point to the headlite balance. You can easily offset this with 1 gram at 12' on the top of the hoop.
Yeah it honestly helped out with the weight of the racquet.
Not at all
I'm really debating the switch from the 330 to 310. I can't seem to generate the racquet head speed required for kicks on serves with the 330g. I'll have to scope around prices here in Taipei and see where it leads.
Yeah, I demoed the 310 & 330 side-by-side. While I enjoyed the 330, it was just too much mass for my aging shoulder to handle. I like the weight of my Pacifics (320g unstrung), so my goal was to add enough weight to equal my X Force Pro w/o changing the balance.
I nailed it on the 1s attempt as my Pacific weighs 12.1oz 'stock' w/ string/grip/dampener/etc., same as the VCORE Tour "formerly known as 310g"...
I feel that, for me anyways, 11.9 -12.1 is my sweet spot. My 330g, with Babolat skin feel and overgrip weighed in at 355g...that's a bit over 12.5...the weight of Fed's consumer racquet.
I feel like switching would only benefit me.
McLovin, did you ever play the RDS 002 Tour or the Rdti 80? I'm looking for comparisons of the Vcore Tour 97 310 and those frames. Trying to decide if I should splurge on the latest model or pick up some of the older iterations.
I did not hit w/ the 002. I almost pulled the trigger on the 001, but went to the C10 Pro instead. From what I remember, the Tour 97 reminds me of a slightly larger 001 if that helps.
I did hit with the Ti-80, but that was so long ago I honestly can't remember how it played.
I've wondered this myself but I'm pretty sure I'd prefer the older frames because of the 16x20 string pattern for 2 reasons:
a. I don't want a more closed string pattern
b. If the string spacing is the same as the older models, it would likely mean that the main strings are longer, which likely also means more power. This is something else that I wouldn't want especially in a 98sq" racquet.
I've found that the Ti-80 and 002Tour are easily the lowest powered 98sq" open pattern frames I've tried and I always thought this is because the main strings are shorter.
Thanks McLovin. How would you compare the feel, feedback and comfort of the 97 310 to the C10?
Yeah, I would have preferred 16x19 too. But I'm willing to give it a try. The spacing of the crosses is still pretty wide and uniform, which seems to be a characteristic of YYs. The mains on the 97 are slightly longer than the 002 Tour and slightly shorter than on the RdTi80. (The 002 Tour was really a 95)
The Tour 97 is most definitely stiffer, but as I've said before, 'firm', not 'harsh'. I actually pulled the C10 out during my demo (which consisted of the Tour 97 310 & 330 and the Dunlop F3.0), and felt the C10 was more powerful than the Tour 97 310g. That may be due to the strings, though, as the demo had full poly and the C10 had my gut/poly mix.
As far as feel...maybe I've moved on in the past two years, but I didn't care for the C10 much. I remember enjoying it for the year I played with it, but not anymore. Not sure what has changed.
These is interesting:
which Vcore Xi is most closely resemble and play like Yonex RQIS 2-tour ? If it was 27 inches long.
I'm in DA club! 2x RDIS100MP...loving it
Welcome aboard! Enjoy.
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