Discussion in 'Strings' started by Jamesm182, Jul 26, 2013.
How low? I'm currently at 55 but going to drop down to 50 at the next string.
45lbs is working for me. Some very good serving with this but I am still thinking of using silverstring or super smash orange in the crosses to better the response at the net (which was fine but perhaps a little too dead a response on intense touch shots). Im only 4.5 hours into a full bed of YPTP but Im liking it. Im finding the added pop is a real bonus for flat kill shots and punched volleys.
Stringing up my Exo Tour 16x18 with Tonic BF16 gut/PTP 1.20 at 50/45 for the colder weather. Hopefully will give me similar great performance as gut/ltec 4s but easier on the arm.
I have found that YPTP 125 is my favorite poly in a gut / poly hybrid. It's soft and it stays soft. I tried focus hex again, and got to the wrist pain again. Every time with hex I get the pain, but yptp no pain.
I guess if I ever try full poly again, it's going to be with Yonex Poly Tour Pro 16L.
That's good info. That's what I'm hoping for. All the good of gut/poly, power, spin, feel... without wrist pain. I got the 1.20 just in case I can go full poly when weather warms up.
this string is very tension sensitive. I felt like it had to be strung at low tensions, otherwise it played pretty bad.
I strung it at 56/54, 53/51, and 52,50. I only semi liked it with the last tension. the higher tensions just felt to plastic like for me. I love yonex, but I feel like their strings have a while to go still. their multis are decent though.
I strung 57/53 gut / poly. Dropweight machine. Pro kennex q5.
I must say it felt best in the last hours. So looks like I agree with you tha low tensions are best for yptp.
I strung an Angell TC100 with YPTP 1.25, at 51 pounds recently. It felt like I was hitting with a board, I was incredibly disappointed.
Then after about 3 hours of hitting, something weird happened. I started getting a huge amount of feel and spin from my shots. It was powerful but I had great control. I could really feel the strings snap back on every shot. Overall I was incredibly happy.
I took it to my local shop who put the gamma ert on it. String tension came in at 44 pounds. I've never played this low, but I'll definitely string around that to start with next time. I've put in some dyreex black edge now and waiting to hit, and after that will be YPTSpin at around 45. Stoked I found its sweetspot.
The point is: your racquet has lost 7lbs after 3 hours, and then it settled to 44 lbs that is your "right" tension. If you will string at 44lbs, it will settle at much lower tension.
So what option do you have? If you are not feared of putting your feet on the stringbed, I would advice you to string again at 51lbs, hear the ping sound that stringbed do when hit by a tool, then come on the stringbed with one feet, staying some seconds, and finally testing the ping sound again. If you hear that it is a lower frequency, your stringbed has finally settled to the 44lbs tension, and it will play at this tension for the whole time(until it will lose any tension being too old and too played).
If you are scared about "walking" on a racquet (I do that only on old, used frames) you could ask your stringer to prestrech the string, and then to string it at 44-46lbs.
Any comments on durability o 1.2 vs 1.25 yet? I'm playing my first bed of 1.2, 15-18 hours in and they still feel pretty good.
Durability is really good, certainly above average for the poly realm.
I think I like HS better (control+low power), but the non HS is very nice for spin (and comfort), especially on open string patterns.
Played 3 hours of doubles tonight. Right before I hit the court, it started raining. So instead of gut/poly, I had to pull out my Exo Tour 16x18 strung with Rip 17 at 40lbs. Wow! What pocketing, spin and comfort with control.
An hour later rain went away. So I hit with Tonic 16/PTP 17 at 50/45. Very good spin and pop. Then I tried to MG Rad Pro Tonic 15L/PTP 17 at 55/47. Massive spin and power.
Then another hour later, started drizzling again so went back to Exo Tour with Rip 17. Maybe it's the cold weather but I can swing away with this setup with plenty of spin, control, power and comfort. Played my best, most consistent tennis with this setup.
I can't speak for people above 4.5. But for me Rip 17 gives me pretty much everything I need. Poly, gut/poly, poly/gut, etc. may give me marginally better performance but at least in cold conditions this fall/winter season, I'm going with Rip 17. Not bad for $7.50.
As far as gut/ptp, it's a GREAT gut/poly setup. Control, pop, spin are all there. It's also the most comfortable gut/poly combo I've used.
Gut/PTP had those qualities you mentioned except it doesn't have as much power as Gut/L-tec 4S.
When you mention Rip, are you referring to Ripspin?
Pure performance wise, gut/4s > gut/ptp. But in the cold, comfort of gut/ptp is really nice and much needed.
Rip Control 17. Exo Tour is pretty low powered so RipC 17 at low tension gives me nice pocketing, poly-like spin and great controlled pop.
Did you ever try out gut/Dyreex Black Edge and how does it compare to gut/4s? I heard people mention it's a stiffer poly.
Gut/DBE feels a little gummier than gut/4s. It is less dynamic and the feel is not as good. If my arm could handle it, gut/4s is the king.
Do you find gut/4s that much stiffer? I found gut/ptp a bit underpowered and a bit dead compared to gut/4s.
I was surprised with how PTP performed in the crosses with gut. Not as good as I expected.
When I use gut/4s, I get sharp high wrist pain. I thought it was my MG Rad Pro. But even in Exo Tour I get the same pain. When I use gut/ptp, Rip C, I don't get the same pain. Gut/4s doesn't FEEL that stiff but the stiffness rating of 4s is almost off the charts high.
6 hours into a full bed of YPTP 1.25 black string at 45lbs (it has probably settled around 40 now) so good.
Returning has gotten better as strings have aged and the comfort is exceptional. Absolutely no pain.
Serving has really picked up as well, confidence inspiring regarding placement and power. The accuracy is incredible and Im getting great action. The added power (though still low) is nice as temperatures have dropped too.
My topspin backhand has adjusted to the string now. Nice and consistent with nice directional control and the ability to crush with heavy tpspin or flatten it out.
I'm still having a little bit of an adjustment at the net with this but the problem might be that the approach shots are getting most of the work done... meaning that which comes back tends to be excellent passing attempts not your run of the mill volley or simple put away opportunity.
slice forehands and dropshots have really picked up as the tension has dropped too.
Played 1 hr of singles with gut/ptp 1.20 in MG Rad Pro tonight. It was warmer than usual, ~70F. I was getting nice pop and the kick on 2nd serve was nasty. I was able to hit forehands with extreme and moderate topspin with plenty of control, and flatten out putaway shots when needed.
I'm surprised how much spin I'm getting with gut/ptp. Maybe it's the thin diameter 1.20 but it's allowing me to hit drop-at-the-last-second deep shots and sharp angles.
I sacrifice a little feel with gut/ptp compared to gut/4s. It is not a bad feel but rather a different, muted feel compared to very connected feel of gut/4s. HOWEVER my arm feels MUCH better with gut/ptp. No sharp wrist or elbow pain. No dull shoulder numbness. 1.20 ptp almost feels like a syn gut in softness but the spin clearly tells you it's definitely a poly. Gut/ptp in MG Rad Pro at 55/47 is VERY, VERY good.
I think Gut/4s still has the best feel of all the hybrids out there but do agree it is feels stiffer and is closer to Alu Power but a tad softer.
Gut/PTP I only tried in the 1.25 version so maybe the 17gauge version of PTP will be better. I guess when my next racquet breaks, I will switch over to the gut/ptp 17gauge to see if it helps reduce the muted feel.
When I tried full bed ptp 1.25 at 45lbs in MG Rad Pro I wasn't impressed at all, esp. by the feel. It felt dull and the spin, power was nothing special. So I cut it out after 1 session. I never tried gut/ptp 1.25 but gut/ptp 1.20 has really surprised me with more than expected pop, spin and control. No, the feel is not the best but when I can swing away almost pain free, it is a no brainer for me.
So glad I am not the only one who thought Gut/PTP 1.25 was just a so so setup. I guess I will put in the 1.20 and see how well it compares to gut/4s. L-tec should make a 1.20 variant of 4S which might soften it a bit.
Played 1 hr of doubles and 2 hrs of singles tonight (62F temp) with MG Rad Pro strung with Tonic 15L/ptp 1.20 at 55/47. Gut/ptp 1.20 has got to be one of the, if not the, most comfortable gut/poly setup.
Maybe it has to do with the Yonex poly stretching at high temperature or something but I was still swinging away at the end of play. Normally by hour 3, I'd be wincing from shoulder pain and fatigue when serving, but I was able to generate some great kick serves and big topspin forehands all the way to the end.
I'm going to string another MG Rad Pro at 55/50 gut/ptp 1.20 because I'm pretty sure my arm can handle it and I want a little firmer stringbed for volleys. Control, comfort, spin is amazing with this setup. I'm really happy I tried this. Otherwise I would have had to hang up my favorite racket MG Rad Pro for the winter due to arm pain. Now I can play and swing away without worry.
Is the MG Rad Pro a 16x19 or 18x20 string setup? Since I live in NorCal, the temperature at night averages about 15 degrees cooler so definitely looking for a softer string to pair up with natural gut.
16x19. MGRP is a very open pattern racket even in the sweet spot so I really need a setup that gives me excellent control. Even with Tonic 15L, the gaps between strings are huge.
Im at 10 hours in a full bed of YPTP, just as good as it was at 6 hours. I do feel like I want a little more crispness and will hybrid with Kirschbaum supersmash orange in the crosses next time. Still, this is real good.
Just restringing my 1.2 racket after 18 or so hours. Pretty good durability I think and so comfortable!
18 hours is sick, I'm sooooo curious how this string will play, but I still have to break my BB original first, which is not easy.
Ive now played a few times with YPTP crossed with Kirschbaum supersmash Orange at 45 lbs for both. I like it... Perhaps even more spin than full YPTP and almost as comfortable. A nice "pok" comes off a well struck ball too.
The biggest difference is greatly enhanced ball feel and much better for S&V. Sometimes with full YPTP I felt like the string didnt give me enough feedback but boy was it comfy.
Im probably going to play with this low tension all poly hybrid for a long time. Looks killer too.
For anyone in the UK who's interested, ************** has YPTP 1.20 in stock at a very reasonable price!
Im still using YPTP 1.25 in black in the mains but have switched to Wesicannon Scorpion as a cross (both 46 lbs). Infinitely more feel and it has fixed that low feedback feeling of the Yonex.
Both feel a little like dead synthetic gut which is good but the Scorpion really aids ball feedback and overall Im getting more power than even a full bed of YPTP. Its contrallable though as the feedback is wonderful. It is a great combo for an all court player and has really helped me dig out tough volleys. It has also really improved my first serve... getting an extra 2-5 MPH now and hitting far more aces (that feel helps last nanosecond adjustments that end up getting me the ace). Im averaging 5-7 aces a set now against a player who really knows my serve.
My favourite strings so far in regards of performance, durability and price.
I get average of 16 hours or more of playability.
I use the 1.25 black.
I have finally got chance to test this Poly Tour Pro (1.25) String.
I have it strung in Dunlop Bio 400T at 51/49 lbs.
Here are my thougths after about 30 minutes rallying and four sets of doubles.
- It is most muted, dampened poly i have tested to this day, almost dead feel. Definitelly not crisp string. I generally prefer this kind of feel over too lively springy feel.
- It is very comfortable, no harsness no vibrations
- Power is average, maybe slightly below average for poly. Close to Pro Line II, maybe slightly less.
- Spin is also rather typical for smooth poly, no surprises here.
- Control is really good. Very predictable response. No unexpected flyers.
- Can not comment durability and tension maintenance yet, but so far it looks like tesion holding is very good.
Overall this string is very promising and i looking forward to play more with it and want to try it also on my other racquets.
I put this in a TF 315 Speedflex at 53 pounds. When it was cold and the indoor tennis building was cool (60 degrees F), the string was nothing special.
This week it was hot, but raining. Was about 78 degrees inside. The string came alive and hit beautifully. Great ball pocketing resulted in good movement on my serves, good topspin, and great slice shots.
Should be nice string outside this summer.
Was that weather (imo Polys should be impervious to weather) or the strings breaking in?
You are looking for impossible than EVERY poly will react to temp changes...
No not breaking in - just when the temperature drops, the poly becomes more brittle and loses some of it's energy. I've played tennis continually since I started 5 years ago. It's happens with poly's.
I was thinking - I wonder if the racquet frame actually loses some energy when it is colder?
For example, I used to golf seriously before tennis. Hitting a Titleist when it is 45 degrees out vs 90 degrees out feels like a totally different golf ball.
To update my initial review, i still like this string. It is balanced with no weakness. No outstanding spin or power, but very good cotrol and predictable response. It is also very durable and have good tension maintenance for poly, comparable to Beast XP in this area. After several hours of playing string still looks like new with minimal notching.
The yellow 125 is a bit deader and less crisp than the black 125. The black has a little more zip and pop than the yellow.
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