Yonex Vcore Tour 97 "Light" (the 310 grams version) discussion thread

Discussion in 'Racquets' started by rlau, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. syke

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    I have the XForce... not the pro or lite... it's the same mould as the XForce pro. There is less power on the VC97, however I find on serves, I am getting more control, accuracy and manoeuvrability. The reason why the VC97 gets lesser playtime is the size of the grip after slapping on the over grip.. it's too unwieldy for me... i like the Pacific grip shape best.
     
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  2. SFrazeur

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    For those who do not like the Yonex end-cap you can remove it and replace it with another brand like Babolat. I replaced my 1/8 Yonex with a 1/4 babolat and it fit perfectly, not lose. The Babolat trap door is one piece plastic and one piece metal plate with the babolat logo. They can be separated leaving you with a clean black plastic door. It looks great.

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    it is sold on TW? where, in what section?
     
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  4. syke

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    I got it from my local tennis store... it costs less than a Happy meal.
     
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  5. syke

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    I was thinking of getting a 1/8 grip... Yonex grip shape is too round and bulky for the hand... I have tried handling the 1/4, and it doesnt feel any better. What is your usual grip size?

    The Pacific 3/8 grip is perfect for me.
     
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  6. SFrazeur

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    I used Babolat 1/4 Pure Drive GT Roddick w/ skin feel grip for the last 3 years.

    I dug my Yoned RDS 002 Tour 1/8 out of the closet the other week and put a Babolat 1/4 cap on it and my usual skin feel grip. The grip size does feel a little smaller than the babolat 1/4 but that does not bother me.

    For anyone getting Yonex and plan on replacing the base grip I would suggest going one gripsize smaller.

    -SF
     
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  7. syke

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    I am going to try swopping out the original grip (1.2mm) for the Kimony leather grip (0.8mm). I will see if it works, otherwise I am going sell my 3/8s for the 1/8s.
     
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  8. syke

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    Just played a round with the VC97 strung with black code.. What a world of difference compared to my usual YPTP. Now I am finding it way too soft and powerful but control is still there.

    Anyone wanting more power out of these racquets with full poly, go with the black code. Just remember string them higher.
     
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  9. JackB1

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    Hey Syke I have 2 questions about the 97-310:

    1) how is the overall "player friendliness" of the racquet? It is a hardcore "players stick" or is it easier to use than that? All the other racquets in your sig. seem to be easy to use tweeners. How does the 97 compare to them?

    2) How stiff feeling is the racquet? Do you feel any flex on contact or is it very firm feeling?
     
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  10. syke

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    They aren't that difficult to hit.. Definitely not hardcore players' stick.
    I could easily swop between the tweeners & the 97 halfway thru the set.

    Stiffness wise, they are no way like the tweeners on my sig. Feels solid not hollow, feels firm not stiff stiff and surprising very little vibration. Yes, there is a little flex, but it wasn't very discernible.
     
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  11. JackB1

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    thanks, that was helpful. Good luck with it. Sounds great!
     
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  12. MAXXply

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    I'm a bit conflicted now and wanna head into my nearest pro-shop for a feel of the handles...As a regular Skin Feel user, I'm now anxious that its 1.7mm thickness will blow out my chosen gripsize, be it 3/8 or 1/2...decisions decisions!

     
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  13. un6a

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    If you aren't sure, get smaller grip size.
     
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  14. Cesare

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    Actually, it's just 1,55 mm, not 1,70.
     
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  15. SFrazeur

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    Go with 1 gripsize smaller, the 3/8. Today I will try to take measurements with a soft measuring tape of the bare handle, Skin Feel equipped handle and measure it with my Tourna Grip overgrip on. Hopefully that will help you make an assured decision.

    -SF
     
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  16. MAXXply

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    I stand corrected:)

    Thanks for any advice. The final nett gripsize of my Yonexes (RDX500 w/SkinFeel, RD-Ti 80 w/SkinFeel) come to 4 1/2, so that's the size I wish to end up with.
    The RDX500 is 1/2 anyway but came fitted with that pathetically thin, stock Yonex synth grip (that Syke may have been referring to) that featured the tyre tread/herringbone pattern. That was definitely micro-thin. With the SkinFeel fitted it is much truer.
     
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    GIDDYUP!!!!!

    The sickness prevails once again--- I ordered this racquet today <w Overnight FedEx of course>, just 2-days after receiving my new X Force PRO that I love......

    Why you may be asking yourself??
    Because I have a problem that is apparently worse than drug addiction!!

    The internal rationalization that takes place is comical to say the least,,,,,

    This will be my racquet of choice when I need to use a lighter racquet bc I forgot to eat my Wheaties?? Sounds good

    This fancy interweb technology is really taking advantage of me
     
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  18. corners

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    Looking forward to more reviews on this racquet. Particularly curious about how it compares to RDS 002 Tour and Rdti 80.
     
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  19. JackDalton

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    Has anybody compared this stick to the Wilson Blade 98 16x19? I've been using the kblade 98 and always wanted a bit easier access to spin but liked the stable feel and light weight. For the past couple of months I've demoed a 6.1 95 which has been great but just a little bit too heavy. I was just about to order the new blade 98 16x19 when I saw this Yonex and I'm wondering if it'll give me better spin with the same stability and lightness as the blades?
     
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  20. cjmower

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    I have both of these racquets so I thought I would share my thoughts with you. Before I got the tour 97 "light" I had never used a Yonex racquet but I have to say I absolutely love this racquet and it is my favorite of anything out right now. I like the Blade as well but I felt like the Vcore is a little bit easier to use and has to me, a more predictable sweet spot, and also a larger one with the unique head shape. It was easier to adjust to also as a first time Yonex user. Bottom line for me, the Vcore gives me everything the Blade gives me but is easier to use than the Blade just based off the specs(specifically swingweight and head light balance). Hope this helps. Both are really good racquets though.
     
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  21. JackB1

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    I only tried the VC97 briefly, but it felt way lighter to me and I think the swing weight is around 20 pts less? It also was much lower powered. The VC97 reminded me of the Vcore 98d with less power.
     
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  22. Bartelby

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    I'm tempted by the vc97 with an added 2 grams somewhere between 2 and 10.
     
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  23. corners

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    Me too, although Chris at TW said the racquet was surprisingly stable at 314 swingweight and that he wouldn't add weight to the head.
     
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  24. McLovin

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    I added 10g to the throat, and it adds to the stability without taking away from its quickness. Perfect setup for me.
     
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  25. Murray_fan1

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    Yes it is surprisingly stable for the swing weight. I have a 4 1/4 grip with 2 Solinco over grips and tecnifibre vibra damp and it weighs in at 12 ounces. Not sure how much swing weight the extra over grip adds but has plenty of pancake plow. This stick reminds me so much of the Prestige. Love it.
     
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  26. corners

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    McLovin, how would you compare the feel, feedback and comfort of this frame to your old C10 Pros?
     
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  27. eidolonshinobi

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    Ok. Well I caved and got the 97T (310). I'm switching from the heavier version, while 330g feels great for practice and even one set, I just dont have the racquet head speed I want on serve and it's been killing me during doubles tournaments when I can't get my racquet around fast enough during net play. I'm not ashamed to admit that I can't handle the 330g to its full potential. I can see why 5.0+ players can use this well though, especially those who have a a Two hander on their backhand side.

    Here's to hoping the 310 is the answer I need.
     
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  28. McLovin

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    Someone else asked me this in another thread. What's funny is I remember liking the C10 Pro for the year I hit with it, but I just couldn't handle the heft during long matches. But when I did the demo of the VCORE Tours (310 & 330) and the Dunlop F3.0, I broke out w/ my old C10s just for comparison. But after just two minutes with it, I put it down.

    With the C10, shots just flew on me, and it didn't feel as nice anymore. Maybe that was due to me having adjusted to the Pacific/Fischer feel, but something felt off. Also, the flex in the C10 was more pronounced. Some people like that, but I've always preferred a firm (not harsh) feel. Maybe that's why I enjoyed the X Force Pros over the M Speed Pro No. 1: They were a slightly stiffer version of the M Speed.

    Most of my frames throughout the last 10 years have been 'firm' (RD Power 10 Long, Hyper PS 6.1, Pure Control 'swirly'), so it's not surprising that I like the VCORE Tour.
     
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  29. JackDalton

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    Thank you, that was very helpful. It's nice to hear that the switch to Yonex was easy for you and I'm leaning on the Yonex now. The head light balance is definitely a plus even if I have gotten quite used to the even balanced blade by now. How did you find the power level?
     
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  30. JackDalton

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    Thanks for the comparison but I don't have experience with the 98d or any other yonex for that matter, unfortunately. Do you think it was too light and got pushed around? The kblade 98 has a little lower swingweight than the newer blades, but it's stable enough for me with nice low weight. I can get the head moving when being aggressive and not feel flimsy when defending off balance. The vcore 97 seems similar with a little better balance (more head light) and spin friendly string pattern. If only I could demo.

    Anyways, the TW reviewers compared it to the new Blade 98 and other heavier rackets so what's not to like? One can always use lead tape to up the weight if it feels too light to swing.
     
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  31. tistrapukcipeht

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    So how can Yonex get a racquet relatively light and so stable?? (more stable than others I tried from other brands).

    Does that mean microcore really works?? ( I believe is the reason)

    Or it is because it's higher quality than others?

    I'm trying to figure it out. Any guesses?
     
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  32. eidolonshinobi

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    A mix of quality control and maybe microcore.
     
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  33. corners

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    Guess: They learned something from analyzing Wozniacki's Babolat APD when they made VCore 100S for her. That's when they introduced the Vcore throat, which is thicker and stiffer than previous Yonex throats. Yonex used to do the flexible shaft/stiff head thing, especially with the RDS line. The RDS 002 Tour was the direct ancestor of the Vcore Tour 97, and if you compare those frames the 002 Tour had a very thin throat from side to side (narrow when looked at straight on.) Yonex says the Vcore throat design is meant to prevent twisting of the racquet head, and I'm sure it does that, but the thicker beam in the throat also stiffens the entire racquet in the plane of the stringbed, which should give other advantages as well.

    The TW reviewers all seemed surprised by the 310's stability at such a low swingweight, so it appears that YY engineers have managed to make a thin-beamed racquet that plays more like a thicker-beamed racquet. Lots of companies are trying to do this now - Prince for years, Volkl more recently. Thin beams give better feel and touch, so they are trying to keep the beam thin to preserve those qualities, but then at the same time using special beam shapes and very stiff materials (nano carbons) to stiffen the frame at strategic points to improve stability without having to add weight or sacrifice feel.
     
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  34. JackB1

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    The racquet felt pretty stable...but it just felt too light and whippy through the air. noting that some lead tape couldn't fix though. my only issue was the low power level, but I had some crappy sungut strung pretty tight in my demo. I would love to try it with a full multi like XOne or NRG2.
     
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  35. JackB1

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    McLovin, Murray and others....do you find the VC97-310 low powered? My demo had tightly strung syngut and it felt very low powered to me. Curious your thoughts on the power level of this frame?
     
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  36. McLovin

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    Yes, I do find it low powered, but again, that is what I like about it. I have mine strung w/ Gut mains @ 54 and poly crosses @ 52, and I can pop some good serves, but it is definitely on the low end of the power spectrum. You need to swing through the ball to get good depth & pace.

    I suppose dropping the tension might assist in that as well, but again, I'd rather low power & more control that the other way around.
     
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  37. JackB1

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    thanks...just wanted some verification since I only had the demo string to test with. My demo was new, so the stringjob was fresh, but it felt very high in tension...like hitting a board.
     
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  38. JackDalton

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    Yes, it looks like Yonex engineers did a great job with the design of the frame. Maybe the low power level comes with the low swingweight. Even if the racket feels stable, there is still relatively little mass in the hoop. Combine this with the thin beam and you've got a low powered racket. I like it.

    McLovin, can you get two hybrid string jobs from a pack of gut with the Yonex headshape?
     
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  39. McLovin

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    Yes. I barely use 19ft in the mains, so no problems w/ cutting the gut in half. If it were 18x20, it might be tight, but a normal 40ft pack should give you no problems.
     
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  40. mykoh

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    My guess is due to the throat design. Don't think I've seen it on any other stick. Posted with the 95d and the 89t and they were absolutely incredible frames. Getting my hands on the 97t soon!
     
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  41. tennismonkey

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    how low powered are you talking about? Pure Storm Limited low? Ultimum Ti-80 Lite low powered?
     
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  42. McLovin

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    It's been too many years since I hit w/ either of those frames to compare. My previous 3 frames were:
    • Pacific X Force Pro
    • Volkl C10 Pro
    • Fischer M-Comp 95

    If I had to rank it, I'd say it is less than the Volkl, but ever-so-slightly more than the Pacific in serves, but less in groundstrokes. The M-Comp 95 is the lowest powered frame I have ever used. All were pretty much strung w/ the same string (gut mains, poly crosses) at around the same tension (54/52). I may drop the tension on the VCORE Tour to 53/51 to see if I can get a tad more pop from the ground wiithout loss of control.

    I know downs_chris hit w/ it (I bought my 2nd frame off him last week), maybe he has other frames of reference (no pun intended).
     
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  43. tennismonkey

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    thanks mclovin. i haven't tried any of your previous racquets. i pinged downs though. maybe he can shed some more light.

    i generally like yonex frames. usually larger than average sweetspots and i tend to hit high on the hoop. figure this might be a fit for me too with the 310 version.
     
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  44. eidolonshinobi

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    Definitely give it a shot. I can't wait for mine to come in.
     
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  45. BC1

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    ^^^ Regarding "low power", according to the TW Racquet Power Maps the 310T has more power then the vcore 98D, and I didn't find the 98D low at all. I know you can't always go by the power maps, but can anyone compare these two racquets?

    Also, I was curious about the grip size on the 310 tour. For me the vcore 98D grips seemed to run small. 3/8 felt like a 1/4. Yet on the vcore xi 98 the grips sizes seemed to run big or at least normal. Any comments on the grip size of the tour?

    Also, regarding cosmetics (paint color) the tour is more of a brighter red then the other vcore line? correct? I hope so. In pics it looks that way and looks amazing. Does it look as good in real life?

    Thank You - getting close to ordering one of these I think!

    JackB1 - what didn't you like - was it the low power?
     
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  46. eidolonshinobi

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    The grip is definitely bigger. I had to put on skin feel on my 3/8s (330g) and with an overgrip it was still a bit bigger. Going with 1/4 for my 310s.
     
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    Eidolonshinobi - Thank you!

    What about the paint job? Bright Red? Looks?
     
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  48. McLovin

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    I didn't hit w/ the 98D, so I cannot compare. I've been hitting with the 310 for a little over a month now, and I can tell you that I am able to swing the same as I did w/ my X Force Pros with approximately the same results. What's different?

    1 - My serve definitely has more pop to it. But I don't think it is related to the power of the frame. I'll explain later...
    2 - My backhand has become rock-solid. Not sure why, but I had a tendency to spray some backhands w/ the X Force Pro. Not so w/ the 310.
    3 - My forehand has become less consistent. I'm spraying more shots than w/ the X Force Pro. It's as if my backhand and forehand have swapped. However...

    I truly believe the 'more power on the serve' and 'spraying of the forehand' have more to do with the racquet's weight & balance than it's power. I've added 10g of lead in the throat, but that altered the balance so it's close to 11pts HL (strung). As a result, I'm getting the racquet through quicker & faster on many shots, resulting in harder serves, as well as mis-timing my forehand.

    I'm going to move some of the lead to the bridge & bring it back to 8 or 9pts HL (strung), and hope I still get pop on the serve but reign in the forehand.

    The grips size definitely runs large. I've used 4 1/2 for 20+ years. On people's recommendation I went w/ 4 3/8 and am happy with the choice. I just use a slightly thicker overgrip & I'm close to a 4 1/2 w/ Wilson Pro overgrip.
     
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  49. corners

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    I still try to figure out a racquet's "power level" by asking other people, but for the life of me I don't know why. It's not like they would actually know. I would stick with the power maps. And as far as they go, of course the 310 is going to be (fractionally) more powerful than the 98D, it's got a higher swingweight.

    Runs big.

    Yeah, it looks like it was plucked from a dragon's hoard. Gorgeous ruby red, but not at all obnoxious.
     
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    ^^^ Thanks everyone for the quick replies and great feedback.

    While I'm at it, I might as well narrow down the string set-up as well. From what I've read low tension is recommended. I'm thinking of going with a softer multi and poly hybrid - maybe NRG218 in the crosses at 52 and Cyclone at 50 in the mains. Or maybe an all Poly at 48-50 (RPM 18 or lux alu power). Has anyone used all multi?

    I know strings are a personal preference thing, but I still like to hear what is working for others.

    Thanks again.
     

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