You Are Hired By Roger Federer

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  1. Death Master

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    lets say roger hires you for 2014.


    can you help him improve? what would be the most important action agenda items for roger?

    how would you proceed?
     
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    Do everything possible to sort out his back, do some serious gym work so he can gain some power in his shots and grind out points with the top players and not leak errors by going for winners too early, determine whether or not a racquet switch is plausible and if it is work relentlessly in the offseason to have the perfect fit and grow accustomed to it. Motivation is also key, I can imagine it must be VERY tough to be motivated after playing like 1100+ matches and winning everything. I know Roger keeps saying he still wants it, but it is evident he does not want it as much as he used to (and who can blame him?).
     
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    chris evert made some remarks about him at the u.s. open:


    she said he must be willing to become more of a grinder.

    you make similar remarks.

    I would have to agree with that.
     
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    I agree with you 90%, except I'm not sure so sure about the grinding part: I mean if the likes of him and Djokovic can't keep hitting winners/attacking in style, then what hope is for the rest of us?

    And I'm speaking here mainly for myself, a lowly club player.
     
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    I don't mean he should go all the way and become a Murray/Ferrer style grinder, but he has to build points more patiently than he is doing right now. He can become a controlled attacker, right now he just sprays way too many wild shots into the stands. Getting stronger physically (to hit a bigger/heavier rally ball and to have more explosive movement) and gaining stamina will help greatly in Roger's future IMO.
     
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    high percentage tennis wins you tennis matches.

    go-for-broke tennis is a failing strategy.


    the objective of this game is to win matches. objective is not and never has been to hit winners.
     
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    get lasik for his eyes if he has below 20-20 vision. something underrated that could really help his game. tiger woods (among others) got that done a while back to get better-than-normal eyesight.
     
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    here is what I would make him do:

    1. improve fitness dramatically

    2. improve the backhand

    3. improve the return

    4. be willing to grind it out. stay out there for as long as it takes to win matches.

    that means willingness to craft points.
     
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    I would tell him to just continue enjoy playing. He will be the GREATEST player to have ever held a racket, no matter what some haters say.

    His sheer presence brings in thousands to the game and he is a GOD and he is immortal.
     
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    gods don't like losing.
     
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    Chris Evert giving advice to tennis players to grind is like Paula Deen telling other chef's to use more butter.

    Shocking.

    AngieB
     
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    too funny.
     
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    fitness, fitness, fitness, fitness, . . . .
     
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    Roger's back problems has clearly affected his fitness and confidence this year, both of which can be fixed with training. As long as he stays healthy he will be fine.

    Given his ranking drop, I presume he will prioritize his 2014 schedule and take this fall to rethink how he wants to go forward. One of the first people he should call is Andre Agassi who has ample experience playing into his 30's.

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    I would make Federer a better player by making him try harder for every single point, not be so relaxed and give up that easily, run and chase down the ball in every single point- if he thinks he can't reach it he still has to try even if it's quite a distance away, be more devoted to tennis- not give breaks to go on holiday with his family and other things like that:cool:, tell him to play safe- do less unforced errors, etc...
     
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  16. sureshs

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    Bigger frame
     
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    he tried the bigger frame and went right back to the old reliable frame.
     
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    Which didn't help him
     
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    its not the racquet.
     
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    He needs to bulk up a little
     
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    I would advise him to hire marat safin as coach and party every night like there is no tomorrow
     
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    But is so much fun!
     
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    Dunno if you'll answer this but how do you find the current Pure Drive compared to past models? How long does a Biphase string job usually last you in there?
     
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    I like that idea.
     
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    Telling Roger to start grinding is about as unnatural as telling Nadal to start attacking. Both styles are unnatural for both of them. Roger didn't win 17 majors and established so many records by being a grinder, he did it playing offensive tennis. If anything, the older he gets, the shorter he'll want to keep the points, so grinding doesn't make any sense.

    If i'm Roger's coach tomorrow, I look into what can be done to fix his back. Probably send him back to the gym for a few weeks to gain a few lbs of raw muscle, helps him get his firepower back. It's no secret that the moment you turn 30, you start to lose muscle mass progressively, so he's got to focus on that. I also tell him to NOT CHANGE his racquet. Again he's always been successful with the 85/90, 98 didn't seem to do anything for him this summer. I then make sure he plays a lot, play even smaller tournaments, the more he'll play, the more confident he'll get (look at 2012). I'd also make him work on his serve a bit, we all know when he's serving well, he usually wins easily. As great as his 2nd serve is, if he could have a higher 1st serve %, he'd become an even bigger threat in the majors.
     
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    its either grind and play higher percentage tennis or win absolutely nothing.

    what would you do?
     
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    If I could change one thing, it would be the chip BH service return. He's got the talent to come over the ball and hit winners, which would be huge on break points. Which leads to the next thing I would change. He gets so many breakpoints that he needs to start getting aggressive with them because players aren't gifting him the breakers like they used to. He should have the confidence to hit out since he knows he will get a lot more breakers, even against Nadal. Last, but not least, start hitting more BH's down the line. Don't get into the endless "crosscourt syndrome". The times he beats Nadal is when he hits his BH's down the line and gets aggressive on BH returns. You can't play it safe on breakers, as Nadal and Djoker have proven time and time again.
     
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    you can achieve amazing fitness at any age so there is really no excuse for not having better fitness if he wants to compete and compete hard.

    he has got to start logging in the hard yards in the gym and out on the road.

    that should be priority #1.
     
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    This. It's far too late for him to switch racquets now (he should have done it years ago) so let's just drop that idea once and for all. His back, the serve, his fitness level are all keys for him now more than ever.

    Plus I would add be more aggressive on the return of serve especially off the backhand side - go for winners down the line instead of always chipping it in, the other players are too used to him doing that now.
     
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    I'd coach him for free, but every time he hits an unforced error I'll charge him $100. Quickest way to reach the millions lounge. ;)
     
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    Stop fooling around with Mirka before matches. It will tire out your legs.
     
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    I would also advise him to start playing more doubles.
     
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    That's cold-blooded...and made me laugh out loud!
     
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    what are the chances of retirement for roger if he does not fare well at the remaining events this year?

    would you advise him to retire from the sport? is that an option?
     
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    ^^^^^^^this
     
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    Sorry, but Safin isn't available at the moment. He's too busy in the Russian Parliament in the same political party as is Putin.
     
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    When roddick was getting owned by federer early in his career he stopped attacking and tried to play higher percentage tennis, and how well did that work out? I don't think federer will ever be able to outgrind nadal/joker. That being said, idk if being more aggressive would work either because of the unbelievable defense the top 3 players have. I would say beg for all slams to be put on indoor carpet, then fed >>> top 3
     
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    who said anything about beating nadal, nole, or murray?

    he cant even beat robredo on the hard courts.


    I said play slightly higher percentage tennis and win a little bit as opposed to winning nothing.
     
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    Fed should one-up Murray on the spinal implant and go for testicular implants
     
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    Testicular Fortitude is an issue.
     
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    You can win 17 majors without that ?
     
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    I would tell him I am not a professional tennis coach and to take his business elsewhere.
     
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    I never said it WAS an issue. I said it IS an issue.


    he did not fight like hell against robredo at the u.s. open.

    I am not even sure if he threw that match with 43 unforced errors against a guy he had beaten 10 times in a row.

    he was probably thinking about having to deal with nadal in the quarters which would have made it 22-10.

    that makes it a testicular fortitude issue for now.


    we all know that there is a decline but some of this decline is self-imposed.

    he does not want it bad enough.
     
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    I would look at old game tape and pick out the differences while eliminating factors that deal with any hindrances that are tied to youth. Sometimes you develop bad habits and you don't know it and people close to you don't even know it. But if you see a before and after of the change, you can spot the differences more. I don't think fed has slowed down or has hit less powerful or less spin. I do think fed's tactics and of course his confidence have changed. I don't think he has the will to push himself when he feels vulnerable in tight situations. And I don't think he believes in himself to win points where he is down or in a pressure situation. But I do think all this has come because of his style of play and I do think it's correctable.

    Face it, even though he's what 32 or 33, he's still in remarkably good health with no injuries where pain is not a factor in his it affects his play. Some, things I noticed and I've said this before is that he needs to stop just hitting what seem like balls up the center and start pulling people off the court wide; this is exactly what nadal is doing now and it makes a huge difference because it doesn't let your opponent get into position to do the same to you if you do it to them before they have a chance to do it to you. And it sets you up to come in to volley a more defensive return.

    If you actually watch how he played the past few years in USO and compared that to back around 2007/2008, you'll notice that he was sweeping the ball wide to the deuce court a lot and that made a huge difference in him setting up the next ball that could easily be spiked inside out or volleyed away. It was a great one-two punch. And I'm not saying that he did this with top tier players like djokovic or murray BUT he was doing this with EVERY opponent. If you watch him now, he seems to hit a bit more rallyish where it seems like he has no directional intent or game plan to move his guy around. He just reactively hits the natural motion of his swing without picking a "sweep side"
    I use the term "sweep" because it really illustrates fed's forehand motion. He swept the ball and dragged his man wide deuce. He didn't do this on big points, or service points or whatever. He just did this whenever he was in a rally and for some reason, you don't see him doing that anymore. All you need to do to breakdown his game is watch average points (not big points) and just see a shot or two before he wins the point what the result was to get him into that position to win it, and you compare that to average points from this year's US Open and you can see differences in how he selected to go a certain way to win points and games. And for whatever reason and I don't think he's even aware of it, he has changed how he approaches a point construction for winning a point. It ain't rocket science, but a lot of athletes use it. Some of the best btw, Tony Gwynn and Peyton Manning are huge and notorious for how they pick apart video of the way they play and improvements that can come from it. Both of those guys are perennial legends in their game, and *wink-wink* were still putting up all star stats during late stages of their careers.
     
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    He has no excuses for losing to Robredo. And if you think about it you know the reason why he lost is not because of age BECAUSE robredo is only one year younger than he is, so virtually they are on level planes. So you know that whatever robredo did is something that either robredo has changed in his game plan (which I highly doubt) or you realize that fed who has beaten him (I believe 10 straight times prior) is doing something that he hasn't done in years. And I think most of it is strategy. And I don't think fed is aware that he is not doing something that he used to do. The robredo match is a match that needs to light up something in him to realize that it's not age, as he lost to someone close to his age. I do think fed has lost a lot of confidence and will. But I think he can easily reclaim it with as well as grand slam victories if he knows where to find it.
     
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    Roger's back problem is really really messing him up. You can see it in his movement, his serve, his forehand, and backhand.

    At this stage in his career and his age, I don't see anyway he could realistically compete again unless he has a perfect storm (where he plays some of the best tennis ever + top guys get knocked out early or they aren't playing to their highest). The back problem is too much for him to overcome at his age.

    And it really pains me to say it, because Rog is the reason I got into tennis and love it. I watch tennis because of Roger and how he plays. It's what got me addicted and like many thousands around hte world, is who I pattern my own game after.

    Fed should go back to playing 1-2 tennis. I know speed of the courts aren't helpful for him playing aggressively like that, and he's nowhere near as quick or fast as he was in 2005-2006, but it's the best way for him to put serious pressure on Nole/Murray/Nadal.
     
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    Roger has a 'back problem' all right.

    He needs to call, and get back, to Gil. Pronto!

    The wimp's going the way that of most the other ATP wimps have gone. Becoming a used up, dried-out carcass, 30-something victim of the Tour mill.

    Gil helped Agassi avoid that fate by giving him a developed carcass.:)
     
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    This. If pressed for an answer, I'd say these three things:

    - Play the style that made you successful. If the big 4 keep beating you, that's ok - just try not to go down to random players because of experimental tactics/racquet switch/whatever.

    - Also, I know you're not getting any younger, but try to train for speed. Not only for defense - also to avoid shanking balls on the run, or to be able to net rush effectively.

    - Also, try to hook up with Cahill, weren't you buddies or something?
     
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    I would freaking develop a two handed backhand to deal on the high balls only.

    It's really not that hard.....I developed a one hander in a couple of weeks to deal with shots I couldn't get to with two hands.

    I mean what the hell has he got to lose ? The one hand is obviously not working.....worst comes to worse he is in the same position as before!

    I know it was a movie but Rocky came out and fought left handed and then switched to right ......

    Fed may be the most talented player ever.,...he should develop a two hander to deal with the high spinners .

    Get to work Roger!
     
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    43 unforced errors in that match unless I am mistaken.


    it looked like he wanted to lose.
     
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