You vs Federer!

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  1. TennisNinja

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    I'd lose 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 with each set being like 10 minutes. I'd be happy to win a point a game.
     
  2. Jay_The_Nomad

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    I think the best bet for any of us to win a point against Fed is through a service ace. There's an element of luck involved in the big flat one down the T.

    Federer probably won't be looking for it so if we can pull it off, we might catch him unawares a couple of times. Fact is, we aren't Andy Roddick, so Federer isn't gonna expect a big one.
     
  3. Baikalic

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    don't you think 2nd serves would still look scary against club players (like me!) not accustomed to 95-105 mph 2nd serves with high kick? I don't think I'd return many more 2nd serves than 1st serves. which is to say, about zero.
     
  4. Leelord337

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    where is this vid!?!? :)

    btw i think the only way i would win a point if i brought him into the net w/a drop shot then a passing shot if i'm lucky, they guy is just toooo good at handling pace and way too good on the defense. they also say that he hits the 2nd most topspin on the atp tour after nadal, so that balls gna be toughhhh to handle
     
  5. ahile02

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    I'm pretty sure the only way most of us could win a point is by getting a lucky net cord roll. The more I watch videos of him and watch him practice the more I realize how he could abo****e pwn us incredibly with not even taking 50% swings at the ball. I dont think we're getting any passing shots by him or anything like that.

    You might surprise him with a michael chang underhand serve and maybe possibly have a chance of winning a point. That's about it.
     
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    I am a pretty darn good ping-pong player. One time, I played with this guy who played for the Korean National Jr. Team or something like that. He let me serve with a handicap of 20-0. All I had to do was win just one point. Long story short, he ended up beating me 22-20.

    If a recreational club level can get a point off of a good pro, it's because the point didn't mean that much to him, or there was nothing much at stake.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind is a lot of the shots that would be winners at 5.0 or 6.0 level of play Fed would smack back with ease. Winning games would be a very tough ask when winning single points is already very difficult to do.
     
  8. Ambivalent

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    Are you kidding me? I didn't happen to have a radar gun, but my fastest first serve is around 100. The ones i was seeing were at least 120, and they weren't even his hardest serves; he was practicing placement.

    You try returning serves into play when they are away from you and spinning higher than you've ever hit.
     
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    Sorry . I disagree. On paper , it may look like an over matched opponent when a club player plays against Federer. However a match has to played and won.

    In the end one may end up being bageled. As long as this club player puts up a good fight, tries everything in his capacity and gives a good account of himself on the court, who knows--anything might happen and we are talking about a few points here (in most cases, 4 points in a row to avoid a bagel)

    If it were me, regardless of who i am playing againt, i will go into match believing i can win it (even if it is against Nadal) and try my best. I got bageled by couple of players before and (i am sure i will occassionally in future). But one thing is certain, i will fight it out win or lose.

    So in playing Federer, i would try a few things. Especially the surprise factor. I have a hard time knowing where my serve or shots lands most of time--- fat chance federer can figure it out.

    Btw, I have emailed and challenged Federer and Nadal to play me. So far they havent replied (only logical conclusion-- they are scared of losing)
     
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    +1 :) :) :)
     
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    I'd agree with "35ft6". No amateur player whatever his level would win a single point or even be able to hit the ball back. Don't even count on unforced error to score a lucky point. Given Fed would be playing you at 50%, he never misses at that rythm, kind of like us playing our little sister and giving her a 6/0 5/0 40/0 headstart. No doubt. Don't even dream about it.
     
  13. bottledwater

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    You guys are exaggerating like there's no tomorrow. He's human, not bloody Superman. Obviously you can get a shot back (depending on surface), just maybe not on his first serve.

    I've had a hit with Alex Bogdanovic, and obviously there's a major difference between him and Roger, but I think winning 2-3 points is very realistic.

    And as for hitting a home run against a major league pitcher, I agree, because none of us play Baseball. :evil:
     
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    Yes i am sure they are tough to return. but did you the speed of Devin Britton's serve at the US open ?? He was only serving around 112-115 mph on his 1st serves. and this is the guy with one of the biggest serves in Division 1 college tennis. He won the NCAA singles serving and volleying with that serve....
     
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    I step on the court with Federer...






    ...and the scoreboards turn themselves to 6-0 6-0 before we even toss a coin.
     
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    Federer could probably patty cake serves in and still beat you without dropping a game.
     
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    I would brush up on every ball to get maximum topspin to his backhand side. I might even pick my bud between every point. Of course, this would **** him off a little and he would try to crush me like a bug with his backhand. That might get me a few lucky points though.
     
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    Let's face it. It would be an absolute rampage. For those guy that say they'd lob his backhand, it would just run around it and smack an inside-out winner that hit the fence before you knew what was going.

    in a best two out of three sets, You will probably win 2 or 3 points, maximum.

    The only guy that would win a few games of Federer (1 or two perhaps) on this forum is Scoville Jenkins, if it's actually the real him.
     
  19. ubermeyer

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    Scoville Jenkins (if it's him) would win more than a couple games off him I think, look at Devin Britton.

    Also there are a couple other ATP ranked players (TonLars and Cilnton Thomson) that would also get a couple games maybe.
     
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    There are so many reasons why the whole "I'll attack his backhand" claim is absolutely insane. Nadal is pretty much the only guy that can do it consistently and he's got the most spin heavy forehand in history, and he can only really do it on clay. So the best clay courter of all time can do it, why not somebody who isn't even the best player in their neighborhood? Yeah, I saw Manny Pacquiao use speed to overwhelm Oscar De La Hoya, so that's what I would do, use lightning fast combinations against Oscar. Man, there are so many nuts on this board the moderators should install an anti-squirrel filter.
     
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    i agree, what kind of 3.5 idiot thinks that they could take a point off Federer? If they played 10000 sets... the chance is 1/10000. the only chance would be if they would get a mishit that hits the netcord at the same time as Federer gets dust in his eye and slips.
     
  22. 35ft6

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    No offense, but unless you've noticed a bullet proof correlation between muscles and being able to hit hard in tennis, it kind of is a stupid question. :) Do you even consider Federer to be muscular?
    Yes. In warm ups, you can't necessarily tell. And by "you," I mean a person. You may be somebody who isn't experienced enough to see the difference. Likewise, I don't think I would be able to tell the difference between a BJJ brown belt and a BJJ black belt, or a good polo player and a great one. Anyway, in a warm up, they will look roughly similar, but once they start playing, you'll see a difference. The top guys hit harder more consistently, generally don't miss unless the other person really pressures them, have big weapons, and execute their patterns better.

    But it's not totally obvious. Somebody who doesn't watch tennis wouldn't necessarily notice. In college matches, I've noticed that a lot of times the 2 or 3 or 4 singles players almost look "better." But what's really going on is that the top players usually have bigger weapons, their points look different from the long, extended, grueling baseline rallies that you see in some of the lower flights. The number 1 guys put away shots more often, end points quicker. This can happen at the pro level, you might watch a few games between Roddick and Del Potro and think they're worse than Juan Monaco and Tipsaveric because the latter two will have longer rallies.

    When I would go to the US Open I would come for the free qualies, watch the whole tournament following my favorite players, then attend the first few days of the main draw. After all that tennis, you really notice the difference. Your realize the qualie guys are solid, they can do everything well, but the main draw guys, especially the seeded players, have weapons. They don't just rely on being solid, they can really impose their patterns and dictate points and entire matches with their weapons.
    This is true when two people are roughly equal in physical skill. It doesn't apply when comparing Federer to one of us.
    Fed's forehand and serves are arguably the best in tennis. His forehand is arguably the best in history. And sorry, but against you, he won't need his brain.
    Michael Jordan in his prime wasn't superman either. But all the positive thinking in the world doesn't mean he wouldn't completely toy with you in a game of one on one in his prime. And you would have a better chance of hitting baskets against MJ, even if you aren't good at basketball, than winning a game against Fed.
    Doesn't matter. None of us play top 10 level ATP tennis either.
     
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  23. 35ft6

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    Yeah, but I'm glad they post their nutty thoughts. This thread's been a lot of fun. :)
     
  24. Mick

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    actually, i think a 3.5 can take a point or two from federer. it's not because a 3.5 is that good but it's because federer doesn't care and doesn't make the effort to win every single point. it's not like he's playing for a grand slam title or something.
     
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    ^ I think most people are imagining a motivated Fed. Otherwise, if he doesn't care, there's no telling what he might do.
     
  26. BreakPoint

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    Oh, Federer would definitely double-bagel me. But I think I can still win a few points here or there.

    Here's how I would do it:

    1. Kamikaze serving and volleying - I would go for my biggest serve on every serve, 1st or 2nd, and if it goes in, I would rush the net and just guess to one side or the other. Sooner or later, I'll guess right a few times and either smack a volley into the open court or hit a drop volley.

    2. Go for broke on every return - assuming that he has to hit a 2nd serve now and then, I would just go for a crushing winner into the corner on every return I can get my racquet on. I concede that I would never get my racquet on any of his first serves.

    3. Aim for the netcord - if I get into a baseline rally with him, I'd aim for the netcord on every shot hoping that one ball would clip the netcord and dribble over for a free point.

    4. Lots of drop shots - if I get the opportunity, I'll go for tons of drop shots. One will likely work sooner or later.

    5. Try to shank the ball on purpose off my frame - one may just drop in for a winner and surprise Federer.

    6. Hope for double-faults - yes, even Federer will double-fault now and then, especially if he's bored and loses concentration.

    7. The "Michael Chang serve" - Yes, after blasting every one of my serves for several games, I'll surprise him with a puny underhand drop shot serve. It just might catch him off-guard and get me a free point. :)
     
  27. crocon

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    If we played best of 3 sets I think I could win 2 or 3 points maybe. I would have nearly 0 chance to win a point on return (1st or 2nd serve), but I think he could mess up returning my serve a couple times.

    Hmm just thought about it some more and I'd drop it down to 1 point. I wouldn't win any return points, so I only have 12 points on serve per set if I don't win any. Def wouldn't win 1 out of every 13 points on serve, but I can hit a big one every once in a while.
     
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    I agree with your school of thought. It's not like this match matters to Fed - the OP's scenario was that he sees you at the courts on your own and asks you if you want to hit. Therefore, as long as he retains his reputation by winning fairly comfortably, it doesn't really matter how much he concentrates.

    Pretty much everyone on here has enough understanding of their game to know that they do not possess anything Federer hasn't seen before. Some of us have pretty big serves for amateurs but Fed has faced Roddick, Karlovic and Sampras and the same goes for every other shot we would play. Against the players of lower ability (4.5 and below), Federer would probably get quite bored. When he got bored, his mind might start to wander away from playing tennis or he might try some shots that he wouldn't normally - play with them a bit. Even if Federer didn't make many mistakes, I'd imagine he'd miss a couple of shots.

    One must also consider that Federer would probably be merciful to the average club player. I think he's kinder than to go out there with the intention of playing out a golden set. He'd probably take it easy and try to help whoever he was playing against with their game. I could see him playing a match against you like your coach/pro does when you ask them to play a set.
     
  29. Noveson

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    Bet you could do this. Obviously he's super fast but I mean you just have to hit one good one.
     
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    I played a big server today and screamed some backhands past him before he'd landed off his serve, saying that it would be difficult to get a point or two never mind a game, not a chance.
     
  31. Nadalfan89

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    I would just junk ball him. Every shot would be a wierd slice or a moonball.

    I would only hit very hard first serves in the attempt to ace him atleast one. Second serves would be identical to first.

    If all else fails (which it would) I would just lob every single ball I could get my racket on. Literally just lob it 50 feet in the air in the hope that he would mess up the overhead.
     
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    I don't think it would be hard to win a few points off of him. I mean, honestly, if you've got a good first serve, he's going to miss some returns. If you can hit it 110 or so, if you put one right up the T he's not going to be able to do anything with it, and if you're at the net waiting for that weak return....that's a point for you. Obviously, if you try to get into some kind of baseline rally with him, you don't stand a chance in hell....even a guy like Karlovic hardly ever wins points off of him doing that.
     
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    the only way roger would take the match seriously if you started saying nadal is better etc....and try to hit him with the ball so he gets really pissed off then he would be firing his best stuff to shut you down...

    that being said i would win 2-3 points in a set.
     
  34. Mick

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    yeah but if you're going to play tough, you run the the risk of making federer mad and he's not going show you *any* mercy :)

    it's kinda like how, in general, you would take it easy on a lower level player but you would destroy another lower level player who acts as if he is out to beat you.
     
  35. Nadalfan89

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    Karlovic doesn't play tennis for a living. He serves for a living. The rest of his game is laughable.
     
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    He still has better groundstrokes than anybody here...which is actually sort of depressing.
     
  37. RoddickFan

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    Oh, Federer would definitely double-bagel me. But I think I can still win a few points here or there.

    Here's how I would do it:

    1. Kamikaze serving and volleying - I would go for my biggest serve on every serve, 1st or 2nd, and if it goes in, I would rush the net and just guess to one side or the other. Sooner or later, I'll guess right a few times and either smack a volley into the open court or hit a drop volley.

    2. Go for broke on every return - assuming that he has to hit a 2nd serve now and then, I would just go for a crushing winner into the corner on every return I can get my racquet on. I concede that I would never get my racquet on any of his first serves.

    3. Aim for the netcord - if I get into a baseline rally with him, I'd aim for the netcord on every shot hoping that one ball would clip the netcord and dribble over for a free point.

    4. Lots of drop shots - if I get the opportunity, I'll go for tons of drop shots. One will likely work sooner or later.

    5. Try to shank the ball on purpose off my frame - one may just drop in for a winner and surprise Federer.

    6. Hope for double-faults - yes, even Federer will double-fault now and then, especially if he's bored and loses concentration.

    7. The "Michael Chang serve" - Yes, after blasting every one of my serves for several games, I'll surprise him with a puny underhand drop shot serve. It just might catch him off-guard and get me a free point.

    ok bud

    1. im sure your kamakazie serve will rarley go in and to federer it might be like facing a pros third serve.

    2. for his second serve he could probably kick it over your head, and even his medium kick will have so much action that i doubt you would even touch it, let alone blast a winner.

    3. good luck with that

    4. im sure he would get to your drops easily because im 100% sure that you cannot fake a drop even CLOSE to the pros and federer will most likely be standing on the baseline or closer due to the fact that your balls will be nothing to him

    5. HAHA

    6. like a previous poster said, he wouldnt come close to double faulting because his easiest kick serves would to hard for you to handle

    7. please, i doubt you could fake it long enough to actually fool federer, hes so good at reading racket movements he would be there before you even hit your serve
     
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    How is that depressing? A consistent top 50 pro has better groundstrokes than us?

    you need to get some medication for that depression
     
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    OK... laugh all you want, as soon as you break the service games of Roddick, Murray, Monfils, Hewitt, Blake, Tsonga, Verdasco, Federer, Santoro, Soderling, Gonzalez, Davydenko, and others... Of course he routinely breaks serve (more than once per match) against lower ranked players such as Mahut, Devvarman, etc. as well, whom I might add are ranked higher than you are... And his volleys are very good.
     
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    You vs Federer

    Not a big enough challenge.
     
  41. defrule

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    Well for sure no one here will be able to break his serve. It comes down to can you hold your serve?

    For me not a chance, even if he doesn't spank returns and floats then back, the rally will still go in his favour.
    Worst of all, being a lefty and I don't think my one-hander can take a pounding from his forehand.

    Basically, in my case, I would be lucky to win a point.
     
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    Because the guy's groundstrokes look like a sack of ****...which means that ours look like a really sorry sack of ****.
     
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    wow....this board is more clueless than i thought, what are you all????a bunch of weekend warriors it sounds like. there are so many ridiculously absurd posts in this thread it is almost laughable. people talking about strategy against fed????? drop shot him??? lob to his bh??? wow, just wow. im sorry, but you'd be lucky to get maybe 1 or 2 chances per set to even hit a ball you feel 'in control' of...let alone drop shot him or hit to his bh.....you wouldn't get it near his bh....ever....and you just can't 'lob' to his bh either....hed have run around it in a second and either hit it inside out or inside in for a winner before you knew what hit you....seriously, fed is just so many times out of your leagues that it is just absurd to even think you could employ any sort of 'strategy' against him.
     
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    Mabey 1-3 points if im going suicide serve and groundstrokes. Couple netcords mabey a lucky winner.Ect ect
     
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    hey whats up with this:Rest In Peace my beloved Tyson, I`ll never forget about you" did you kill Serena??
     
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    I think aiming for the net cord on every shot might actually be your best option. For winning a point.
     
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    You wouldn't be able to aim


    Great post
     

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