your average clay court point

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  1. bdawg

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  2. Mick

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    Lendl didn't seem to move very much :)
     
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    Feel like sleeping. No energy at all..
     
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  4. Mick

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    It seems to me that Jelena Jankovic hits the ball harder than both of these guys did back then !
     
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  5. Max G.

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    I doubt that's an average point. It's a match point of a Grand Slam final, after all - how could it be an average point?
     
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  6. Mick

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    it's cool that these guys didn't grunt like today's players. You could actually hear the ball hitting the strings.
     
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    Want...need...need so bad to...just sleep. Just five minutes...so...so very tired...

    Man, Lendl looks like he's out for a walk in the park. It almost looks like a warm-up, though of course it isn't-these were two of the best; in fact, Borg WAS the best. Just LOOKS that way...
     
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    The French Open clay court was speed up... they dug the courts up and repacked them to speed them up. Faster balls are also used now.... so the Clay courts today don't even play as if they did over a decade ago.
     
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    looks like a warm up to me!
     
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    now i think i need a little gonzalez forehand for waking me up ! ;)
     
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    If you could put any of these guys in a time machine and bring them to the present, they wouldn't make it past the first round of any tourny... I wish they'd bring back the shorts, though :p
     
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    Sorry, that is a ridiculous comment. You saw match point, possibly after 5 sets on one of the slowest clay surfaces ever. Lendls power was simply negated on that surface in the same way all the bombers are. Lendl was a power hitter of that era and Borg generated just about more topspin than any other, in a similar manner to Nadal. Jankovic would not stackup to either forehand. :)
     
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    lendl looks better there... ;)
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=93763&highlight=agassi+lendl+1988
     
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    What the heck is wrong with Lendl in that one? :mrgreen:
     
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    well, maybe both players were just very tired after a long match. what was the score on this one?
     
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  16. vive le beau jeu !

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    61 46 62 36 61 !
    so i guess you're right...... ;)
    (especially for this last forehand from lendl !)
     
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    Kind of looked like a bad attempt at executing a drop-shot.
     
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    I have the final of the '80 Borg-Lendl Swiss Indoors on dvd. Both guys are ripping the ball & covering every inch of the court. It has a low angle view of the court & better miking of the court.

    Yes, the claycourt game was slower(try playing with those racquets & see what sort of consistency you get when you swing full force) but poor camera angles & sound make it seem much slower than it was.

    See the '76 Borg-Connors US Open Final(on green clay) if you want to see a much the much faster pace players were capable of back then.

    Its best not to generalize about an entire era of tennis on the basis of one point. I could post a Gaudio-Coria point from the '04 French Open final that makes them look like junior girls players.
     
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    Hate to say it but that footwork (Lendl's) is horrible. Maybe the real revolution in tennis is about footwork. Watch Hewitt's feet or Robredo for that matter and you see a completely different game. The racquet and fatigue may account for the weak strokes, but the footwork is like none I've seen outside of my club.
     
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  20. Moose Malloy

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    again, you are coming to this conclusion on the basis of one point! was just watching Lendl from the 1986 Masters(when he was #1, which he wasn't in '81, you do realize Lendl had a major career makeover-fitness, training etc, later in his career?) & he had great footwork, commentators were raving about it. How else could he pull off so many great running forehands, around the netpost winners?

    Yeah, Lendl was just like your club's players...

    I hope you don't think Borg's footwork was 'horrible' as well, he was probably the fastest player of the last 30 years.

    also Lendl was a bit of a tanker in those days('81). I wouldn't be surprised if he was just done at that point in the match-the 5th set was 6-1

    I wish I knew how to put points on youtube, I have many that show Lendl, Connors, Borg, Mac, Laver, Nastase hit balls as hard as today & covering court as well as todays players.
     
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    I don't doubt that they hit the balls just as hard as today's top tennis players. However, because they used wood rackets, the balls did not come off the strings quite as fast. I have a tape of the 1981 US open final between Borg and McEnroe. It's like slow motion compared to the actions from today's top players.
     
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  22. Moose Malloy

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    Yeah, I've seen that as well. You should see '76 Connors-Borg US Open final. It makes that Borg-Mac match look like slow motion. Basically any Connors match had considerably more pace than many matches with his peers from that time. And any Mac match had considerably less. Mac was a strange player, he never hit the same shot twice & took the pace off the ball. many that played him hit the ball with less pace than they normally did, he took them out of their games.
     
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