Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by juanparty, Feb 15, 2011.
Of course he would say it was Agustín Barrios.
There is none..I hate these threads. I clicked because I thought it was about guitars themselves, and I was going to say Gibson Les Paul.
Going to have to go with Rodge.
1. Nuno Bettencourt
2. Steve Vai
3. John Petrucci
1. Jimi Hendrix
2. Jimi Hendrix
3. Jimi Hendrix
L e s P a u l
Pre-war Martin (acoustic).
Andre Segovia for classical guitar.
Flea, Geddy Lee or Chris Squire for bass guitar (rock).
Michael Hedges for harp guitar:
LOL@ the poll, Shura Uman definitely...
My GOAT acoustic: Larrivee D-9 Brazilian
My GOAT electric: Gretsch White Falcon
GOAT Pedal: MXR Phase 90 or ProCo Rat
I have both pedals..both are classics.
1) Kevin Shields (of My Bloody Valentine)
2) J. Mascis (of Dinosaur Jr)
4) Peter Hook
5) Nick McCabe (Verve)
6) Tom Verlaine (Television)
7) Mani (Stone Roses)
8) Christian Fennesz
9) Robert Fripp
10) Dimebag Darrell (RIP)
What about Jerry Garcia? Jimmy Page? Dickey Betts? Brian May?
None of the above.
no zakk wylde on the list?
Out of this list, I would say Clapton.
Some of my other favorite guitarists (not on the list):
This list is so limited. I feel like people who make these lists just read guitar world all day and have no idea about the thousands of incredible guitar players everywhere. I mean Kirk Hammett? Wow..I don't even know how you can compare musicians since I have been one all my life and never once entered a guitar playing contest. The only contests we had was who could have the hottest GF or drink the most.
A lot of greats omitted on this poll.
Re the players, Paco de Lucia, Al di Meola, Steve Vai, Wes Montgomery, Chet Atkins, Tommy Emmanuel, David Gilmour, Jimmy Page, John Petrucci, I could go on and on.
Eric Johnson is a jerk BTW. Great player undoubtedly but so self absorbed and full of himself.
Re the guitars themselves, Gibson Les Paul, Ibanez RG series, Fender Strat...
out of left field but Roy Clark isn't half bad....
To PPlayer's point, in a way; I'm most impressed when I see a guitarist playing/performing an arrangement in a style of music that they aren't famous for. it makes you appreciate their talent - kind of like a perfect 1 hand backhand....
good point. I have a friend who is a bigtime metal producer and usually takes 2-3 solos on an album he does just because he is that good and the band always wants him to guest solo. His style is technical death metal and he plays it exceptionally clean.
Watching him play blues always cracks me up. He just doesn't have the feel for it at all, but his sweep picks and runs are ridiculous. Just not my thing personally, I have always been a blues rocker at heart.
I remember my technical metal phase. Those guys are killer for what they do but there is no emotion or feel to their playing. And that kind of turned me off to bands like that.
On the other hand, Vai is absurdly technical but he has so much fun when he is playing and you can see that he is visibly into what he playing which, for me, makes him much more enjoyable to watch as opposed to someone like Satch or Petrucci.
I'm shocked that SRV hasn't at least gotten a mention yet in this thread.
Speed is part of the technique. Clean picking is part of the techinque.
But timing, staccatos/pauses, note selection, note modulation to create the right expression, etc are also part of the technique and each style has its own set of techniques. But these things are more difficult to appreciate for non-players or just guitar players who are not very advanced, these people only look at speed and notes per minute.
I always repected a musician who is good at his own stuff no matter how simple may his stuff seem, if he has the right vibe. Of course Steve Vai has a lot better overall technique than Albert King, but I've never heard Vai playing the blues as King does. Of course Albert King couldn't play Vai's stuff also. To each his own. I know Vai is way more complete hands down, no comparison, but that doesn't mean he's better at every single style. That's why people like Albert King or B.B. King who are technically limited, are respected and idolized by many virtuosos like Vai or whoever. A musician will always admire another musician who is expressive and can create emotions. There's also a technique behind creating emotions, and not every technically good player has this ability.
PS: I also like a lot more Vai than Petrucci. And for Satriani, I learned to enjoy his style and he's more expressive than people give him credit for. Anyway I prefer expressive guitarists as Hendrix, and Jeff Beck, who has got better each decade and right now is, IMHO, the best electric guitar player alive when it comes to display emotions with the instrument. He's the king of using guitar's dynamics for emotional expression, no one comes even close to him in that department. Not even close. It's him and then a huge gap. He's up there with Hendrix.
I hang my head in shame for not having given him mention. Also Billy Gibbons...great Texan guitar players.....
More shame on you not mentioning Johnny Winter lol.
Blast! What's wrong with me?!
Of course speed and clean picking are part of good technique. I was simply observing how insanly clean some of the guys I know are with their sweeps and speed picking. I sat right next to Jeff Loomis and watched that guy noodle around and it was ridiculous. A lot of people do not know who he is, but he is a beast at metal.
But I agree with you on everything. I love expressive guitar. You still need good technique to execute it, but it is a different kind that is more focused on phrasing and feel. But the picking technique still needs to be sound because the runs you can pull off ala Clapton or SRV need to be cleanly done to have the most emotional impact.
I am a huge Jeff Beck fan as well and also love Leslie West. His tone was perfectly unique and the way he built emotion in his solos was top notch.
I appreciate steve vai, but have enever been into it. Sounds cheesy to my taste, but I recognize his immense talent and respect it. Hard to believe that he and Billy Sheehan backed up DLRoth back in the day..what a show that must have been to attend.
Yep. The young guns can learn a lot from this old pro.
I'll also throw out the names Steve Morse and Steve Howe.
No kidding on that one. Talk about some serious showmanship.
I got to see Vai at a really small venue here in Dallas a few years back and yeah, I can see where some of his stuff can get cheesy. But on some of his songs like "For the Love of God" and "Whispering a Prayer" where he isn't being as hugely technical or speedy, his playing takes on a new depth and you see just how much he pours into it.
Billy Gibbons has to be one of the smoothest players I have ever seen. I've seen ZZ Top 4 times so far and usually try to get tix every time they come through DFW. He is just so smooth and casual when he plays.
TX has great players..I loved going to austin and jamming with guys back in the day. I think Austin may be the greatest city in the world, but Dallas was nice too. The women there...oohhh man.
Austin's music scene is really unparalleled. Just the sheer number of venues and bars. Any given night of the week you can hear just about any style of music. In college, I used to go down there at least twice a month to meet friends and hit the bars for the music scene.
Dallas is ok but I really do like when players/groups play the smaller venues where you really get the chance to be up close and personal with them. After the Vai show that I went to he actually hung around and talked to fans and signed stuff. He wasn't in a rush at all to get out of there. Very cool guy.
My experience with EJ wasn't so great though. He was all high and mighty and essentially told his fans that they weren't deserving of his time.
LOL..EJ is a tool. A total non rockstar who is only cared about by guitar geeks and white blues fans.
Cliffs of dover was sweet when it came out though. to have an intrumental song be a small hit is extremely difficult.
No love for Brian May? Steve Howe? Gary Moore? Steve Lukather?
Best description of EJ ever. He's also totally OCD. He stopped the show after one of the songs to have a battery changed on one of his pedals and then yelled at his roadie for not having checked and changed all the batteries preshow.
paul waggoner (Between the Buried and Me)
Axe: Ibanez S1625TKS (always loved the prestige wizard series neck, super duper fast)
On the guitar side, I had a Prestige Ibanez RG with a mahogany body and flame maple top that I wish I had never gotten rid of. It was such a beautiful, clean playing guitar. Would kill to have another one.
Also there's a hugely overlooked aspect of electric guitar, and it's the creativity for arrangements. That's one of the (many) reasons I am a huge Hendrix fan. In just four years he recorded a number of songs with an insane amount of wonderful guitar arrangements, you could listen to his music for decades and decades and still be making discoveries. And the guy was 27 when he died.
Like Frank Zappa said, it's a shame Hendrix didn't know how to write music. But he often was a composer while playing.
Haha, that happens to me with Dave Navarro, for example. Can't stand the guy's personality, but then I listen to "Ritual de lo habitual" and it's like: wow guy, you're making beautiful stuff here, I have to admire you.
Same with Ritchie Blackmore: when the guy dismisses funk music or Stevie Wonder I'd kill him with my own hands, but then I listen to "Made in Japan" and I have to admit the guy is an idol for me, but he just happens to be a d0uche.
If you're throwing Steves around, mustn't forget Steve Hackett.
Danny Gatton, Frank Zappa, John Mclaughlin, those old chickin' pickin cats like Buck Owens, and there's this english kid I stumbled across a couple years back on youtube named Sol Philcox. He was like 18 at the time and is now apparently a session musician in Nashville. He just tears it the hell up.
There's no possible way you could name enough guitarists to make everyone happy; everyone posting here has a couple that they could add, including some obscure ones who are extraordinary players (Debashish Bhattacharya, anyone?). It's a noble effort to get a discussion going, but ultimately fruitless at deciding some mythical guitar GOAT (as if one exists).
I would say my top 5 are:
Those are in no particular order, as I can't seperate them in my mind.
Oh yeah, and: butterscotch blonde tele with a maple neck, gold top les paul with cream p90's, and I'm kinda partial to a '59 cherry sunburst les paul.
I have to add that I do like Clapton to a certain degree, but man, how is he ever on any "greatest guitarist" list? I'd say he was only the 3rd best guitarist out of the Yardbirds, let alone history!
OP (Juanparty), your poll has Slash as a GOAT contender (Slash?!!) and not, e.g., a Jeff Beck?
Who can say who is GOAT? (below-->just adding to the worthy previously listed submissions):
- Richard Thompson
- John Campbell (the dead one, not the bassist)
I couldn't make a list to make myself happy. I'll always leave some people out of it. Too many good guitar players I've admired, imitated or learnt from.
1. Allan Holdsworth
2. Eddie Van Halen
3. Stanley Jordan
4. Jimi Hendrix
5. Steve Ray Vaughn
6. Jimmy Page
7. Les Paul
8. Chet Atkins
9. Bela Fleck (Banjo)
10. George Lynch
this is a better list than the op. btw op, hetfield and hammett stick out like turds in a punchbowl when it comes to listing the greatest guitarists of all time. one is the progentor of palm muting (hetfield), which is cool and all but it pales in comparison to what other true greats have accomplished. the other is just another in a long line of "pentatonic wankers" who uses his wah pedal like its a crutch (hammett).
Alex Lifeson, no?
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