Your help needed for college recruiting advice!!

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  1. coaching32yrs

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    Player is a class of 2014 lower 4 star. Was all set to go D3, but now mid level D1’s are coming at him hard. While not a lot of money the fringe benefits are unbelievable- training facilities, coaching, clothing, personal attention, tutors, trips etc. His guidance counselor is telling him to go D1. We are confused. Help us with your thoughts.
     
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  2. Misterbill

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    I am not sure why the benefits of D1 tennis are referred to as "unbelievable". They all seem pretty standard and well-known to me..............except for that "trips" thing. You are not referring to trips for matches, are you? Does any school in any division require players to pay for those?

    Pretty tough issue to address without knowing the player's academic credentials and aspirations............and stuff such as geographical, climate, and social life preferences
     
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  3. barringer97

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    D1.

    Better players, likely a bigger school. Go for it.
     
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  4. kme5150

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    There are a ton of D1 schools that would be happy to get a 4 star. Like Misterbill said, you are going to have to be a lot more specific on his academic credentials and preferences. There are over 100 D1 schools that would take him if the fit was right.
     
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  5. jigglypuff

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    Don't go to a D1 school just for the sake of a few freebies. Go if the academic standards are comparable.
     
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  6. maggmaster

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    Also if his academics are good, push for academic aid from the lower d1 schools. I was able to get aid at my d3 school via academics because my test scores were very high but the coach started the process for me.
     
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  7. Misterbill

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    One reason the player may be confused is that the guidance counselor is providing athletic advice! That is possible, of course, but very unusual.

    Typically, guidance counselors advise about academics/internships/social atmosphere and the athletic director would advise about athletics. Then the student would assess the two sets of advice

    Again, without knowing more about the academic profile of the student and the schools involved, this is a pretty abstract issue. I think better information might be forthcoming if more facts were provided (without compromising privacy of course)
     
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  8. coaching32yrs

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    Good not great student. Good not great SAT's. Guidance counselor was a college asst AD and D1 player. Wants to stay in northeast. Major undecided. Top D3 schools that compete for national title very interested.
     
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  9. gavna

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    As a parent of 3 who has had 2 so far play D1 and child #3 in the process of looking at schools.........pick the SCHOOL - remove the coaches and the extra stuff from the equation - what school is the best fit....coaches and players move on, IF you child stops playing for any reason will they be happy at that SCHOOL?
     
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  10. Misterbill

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    If we are talking top DIIIs that compete for national titles, I guess we are talking top academic schools as well. Don't they have training facilities, coaching, clothing, trips too? I'd be very surprised if they didn't.

    So, assuming geography and climate are a wash...along with the coaching and facilities etc....... seems it comes down to:

    DI---some athletic scholy money, tutors, no special academic credentials, no shot at national team competition

    DIII---no athletic scholy money, probably great academic credentials, shot at national team competition

    Does this begin to narrow it down for him? (Without knowing more, I'm beginning to think that guidance counselor should start collecting his/her pension)
     
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  11. drfrankfree

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    The absolute best piece of advice I can give you is to VISIT each school. Talk to the players, watch a match, attend a class if you can. Taking visits, official or otherwise, was the single biggest factor in my sons college choice. All of the D1 perks in the world do not matter if the campus environment sucks and the kids on the teams are jerks.
     
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  12. tennis5

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    Congrats! It is nice to have so many options.

    Now, if you said he was going pro, and was deciding between UVA and a top D3 school, I would say UVA.

    But, as his future is not tennis, pick the school that best suits him academically
    ( and is a bit of reach academically too as he might grow/mature a bit mentally into a better student).

    Or imagine, he broke his leg and couldn't play, what school is the best fit for him academically?

    And I would ask the guidance counselor to help advise your son on the academic issues, not the athletics.
    The athletic conversation belongs to his coach or high school tennis coach.

    Anyway, I know there are some other parents on this board who are going through the same year,
    or already have, so hopefully they can jump in and give you some advice on D1 versus D3 Tennis.


    Good luck.
     
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  13. Coach Carter

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    I'm right there with Misterbill! If this kid has been looking D3 and has the academics to get a good academic package then I'd be looking at a top notch D3 power program where he/she could be a part of something truly special, not some "also ran" situation getting runover by the bigger schools. Anybody can buy t-shirts with the school name and TENNIS on them. Go make some memories for a life time somewhere!
     
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  14. coaching32yrs

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    Lots of good advice here. Thanks. One more question. A couple of coaches from top academic D3 schools say they can get him in if he goes early decision. Without tennis he would have no chance of getting in. Is this a good idea or will the academics be too much for him?
     
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  15. tennis5

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    In regards, to D3, a lot of coaches can say anything. And then guess what you appled ED and he doesn't get in.
    Admissions admit, not coaches.
    Also, sometimes even with a positive pre read, you still can get deferrred or even rejected.
    It doesn't happen that often, but it does happen....

    Hard to say about academics if you don't say which schools.
    If he goes to a competitive high school ( that sends kids to highly selective schools) and he is a B+ student, I think he will be ok.
     
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    If the D1 school is public and the D3s are private, there would be a fair large difference in tuition. But if the money is not an issue and D3s are significantly better academically, going to a D3 seems like a better option. Your kid should take unofficial visits to both D1 and D3 campuses before making decisions.

    I am also puzzled how a D1 coach would be able to contact a junior and offer a position and $. NCAA has very strict rules - a tennis coach is only allowed to contact a junior after July 1.
     
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  17. Misterbill

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    I don't think that is right.

    Juniors out there, after Sept 1 of your junior year, D1 coaches may (and believe me if they are interested in you they will) contact you in writing. You may call them and have a conversation with them. You may arrange unofficial visits and have conversations with them. Lots of D1 coaches in lots of sports are well into their 2014 recruiting as we speak

    EDIT: You may call and try to arrange a visit anytime, don't have to wait until Sept 1 of junior year
     
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  18. drfrankfree

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    Coaching32yrs.....if the coach says he can get your kid in, then he can get your kid in. Top level D3 coaches do not make promises like that unless they can follow through. Now, that being said, if your kids ends up lousing around senior year and veering off course, your admission at top schools can be rescinded. My son did,in fact, get into schools that he otherwise would not have because of help from coaches. This happens in every sport. It is more common than you think.
     
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  19. klu375

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    Many juniors already have D1 offers and a few already committed. Basically after you post SAT and GPA you may get an offer if the coach knows you.

    Tennis5 is right - in the top academic D3 the coach does not have full control of the admission decisions. So you get your positive pre-read, apply ED and cross your fingers. And do not sever relationships with coaches from other D3 schools - some of them have EDII that may come handy.
     
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  20. tennis5

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    Just not true for D3. Sorry.

    Tennis can help you get into a highly selective D3 that perhaps you could not get into with out tennis.

    But, coaches for D3 can not "get your kid in".
     
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  21. tennis_ocd

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    hmmm. yes and no. d3coaches certainly have an input into admissions. But even more, likely a couple of "very strong inputs" each year typically reserved for outstanding/highly desired/fully committed (to school) student. Not going to do miracles with poor SAT or GPA numbers or guarantee acceptance, but very close to it for a couple students.

    My advice to OP would be to honestly evaluate what a kid wants out of college and tennis -- what is more important? All divisions are demanding; D1 incredibly so.
     
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  22. Chemist

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    It's consistent with what I have seen. We know a girl, a 3 star tennis player, got into Univ Chicago. Even though she had really high SAT (over 2,300!) and GPA, the tennis coach was not able to get her in with early decision. She was wait-listed and got in early spring with the help of the coach.
     
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  23. Misterbill

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    Advice to Juniors:

    If you are looking to get into a D3 or Ivy early decision, ask the coach how many "slots" he/she has with the Admissions Office for your entering class and if one of those slots will be allocated to you.

    How simple is that?

    I suppose an evil coach could lie to a simple direct question like that, but I would say the chances are very low............and if there were a lie, it would be a blessing that the Admissions Office turned you down early so you could explore other options than committing to play for someone who is deceitful.

    None of this affects your chances of getting in solely on your non-athletic credentials
     
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  25. Chemist

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    This is what I understand,

    A player, who a coach really wants and meets minimum academic standard - will get in with a slot

    A player who a coach wants but doesn't want to use a slot, but has as good academics as other applicants - may get in - tennis adds point

    A player who a coach wants but doesn't want to use a slot, but has worse academics than the average applicants - will not get in, period!

    A player who a coach doesn't really care, but has outstanding academics, much better than the average applicants - may also get in and make the team - the AD would love to use his/her academic index to help recruit another player, (football, basketball etc) who barely meets the minimum academics.

    Any insights for number of the tennis slots? I guess it should be 2 for top D1 programs. How about Ivies and top D3 programs? 3?
     
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