Youtek Radical Oversize Pro Stock - Does it Exist?

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  1. El Zed

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    Was this racquet ever made available to anyone other than Andre Agassi? Thanks, all.
     
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  2. vsbabolat

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    Yup. Youzhny is one guy that comes to mind using it early in his career.
     
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    Thank you so much, sir, greatly appreciate your insight and your continued help.

    I recently acquired an "A.A." Youtek Radical OS and that lead me to wondering whether anyone else used the stick. Nonetheless, presume that the "A.A." Radical OS is instead the Trisys 260 OS under the paint? If so, do you think the A.A. frame was made in Austria like the PT57s? Thanks again.
     
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    Got any pics of Youzhny using an oversize?
     
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    Made in China. Try a search here -- I believe there are quite a few comments on the A.A. Radical OS. The consensus is it is a very good stick and quite close in feel to the original, despite being a re-issue and lacking twaron in the layup.
     
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    Thanks, but I'm talking about his actual pro stock racquet (ie customized by **** with his custom grip mold, labeled with A.A., etc.) not the 260 OS reissue. I believe VS previously mentioned that Agassi generally utilized paint jobs over the 260 OS - and I think he said this was also the case during his YouTek period. Therefore, given some of the similarities between the 260 and the 280/630/PT57s, was wondering if AA's racquets were made in Austria as well.
     
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    Zed, you have the Agassi stick? The real deal? Amazing. I'm jealous. Anyway you could get the swingweight, weight and balance on it?
     
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    > I recently acquired an "A.A." Youtek Radical OS and that
    > lead me to wondering whether anyone else used the stick.
    > Nonetheless, presume that the "A.A." Radical OS is instead
    > the Trisys 260 OS under the paint? If so, do you think the
    > A.A. frame was made in Austria like the PT57s? Thanks again.

    I've wanted to buy one but they typically sell very fast after getting listed. I think that $1,000 is typical for one of those - if AA actually used it in matchplay. Something that I'd love to try but I don't think that I'd use it in normal play - I think that it would be impossible to get a matched set.
     
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  9. El Zed

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    Yeah, man, very excited about it. Happy to get those measurements over to everyone and should be able to do so by the weekend.
     
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  10. El Zed

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    Yes, the one I picked up made it's way through **** and evidently was used by A.A. in a charity event. Needless to say, picked up under the auspices that it was an A.A. issued stick, with the rest (i.e. actual use) being gravy.

    I tend to be pretty strict in terms of which racquets I use or don't use. The first thing my fiance mentioned after acquiring was how she couldn't wait to hit with it... :shock: No, no, this is going to be framed and treated like the ancient Oracle at Delphi; not subjected to the harsh conditions of a court by a mere mortal! :) Needless to say, I think this will temporarily halt the growth of my collection; can't really top this racquet without paying crazy money.
     
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    You should do a writeup on the stick in the Pro Racquets forum. It's kind of a tradition here. You get a unique Pro Stock and you post a thread with photos and specs.
     
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  12. El Zed

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    Happy to oblige; hopefully can do so over the next few days.
     
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  14. vsbabolat

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    Yes, I think his frames were made in Austria and are the Original Radical Trisys 260 (Tour) Oversize (690cm2)
     
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    Can't thank you enough for the insight and help, VS.
     
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    How ironic on the timing of this thread. I just finished customizing a YT IS Radical OS for a customer, to Agassi's specs from 2008 courtesy of Greg Raven's site. The new specs are 355g/32cm/340SW from a starting unstrung specs of 296g/32cm/279SW. The racquet has been strung with Lux ALU Rough at 66lbs along with a Tournagrip added.
     
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    Great pics, VS! Interesting to see a guy with a one handed backhand hitting with an oversize.
     
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    ^^ what's unusual about that? Gabby Sabatini, Paul Annacone, Peter McNamara and many others used OS frames and hit 1HBH.
     
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    I've only been watching tennis for the past 7-8 years, so to me, this is a sight to behold.
     
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  20. El Zed

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    P.P. - received the racquet today, and did my best to get you the requested figures.

    First, the racquet is strung with Luxilon Big Banger ALU Power, with a current tension of about 46 lbs. I apologize with respect to the measurement specs, as the only measuring device I have on hand renders it rather difficult to cite specs with truly acceptable precision - will do my best, and will attempt to verify later, but nonetheless thought you might appreciate them. As to weight, the racquet is 352 grams with neither an overgrip nor a dampener (although this is the strung weight). Length appears to be 69 cm, with a balance point of approximately 32.5 cm (this figure likely is the most imprecise). I haven't conducted a proper swing-weight test as of yet, but just plugging the aforementioned numbers into the racquet-tune app, it appears as though swing-weight is at about 327 or so.

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    As the pictures show, this is indeed not a traditional radical and indeed more in line with the Pro Tour frames (the extended grommet channel comports w/ the PT280s I have on hand). The grip is interesting, and is unlike most Head grips that I can recall. As the pictures show, a bit more square than usual (more comparable to a POG, to a lesser extent the TK82S grips and, lastly, the standard PT280 grips). The grip itself measures approximately 4 1/2 in. around. The racquet's in great condition, but obviously played (which, frankly, I look it as being a positive).

    Hope you enjoy the specs, and let me know if you have any questions that I could answer.
     
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    ^Thanks for taking the time to post that. Not too far off from Geoff's numbers.
     
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    It's my pleasure. Not too different at all; it seems like my frame might be a tad bit heavier (presuming that Tourna grip will add about 5 grams and the rubber band an extra gram). I tend to think that Geoff/Greg's swingweight numbers are likely more accurate than the 327-330 I'm returning via the app (that's swing point variable isn't explained very well, and has a massive impact on calculated SW).

    Funny, thing is that I'm almost certain that my PT280/630s will play more like the A.A. stick, but the excitement has me looking for a Youtek Radical MP/Pro...
     
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    Awesome zed. Just great stuff. Thanks and enjoy that beauty.
     
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    I have a Flexpoint paintjob version autographed that sits on my fireplace mantel... From what I've read here and based on Head racquet experts like vsbabolat, Agassi always used a Radical 260 in either a 20x21 dense string pattern (early on) or the standard 18x19 (later on in his career). While the PT280 OS is a nice racquet in itself, I don't think it was ever the basis for the pro stock OS Radicals like the PT280 MP was for the PT57s. Got to remember Agassi came from first the POG OS and then Donnay Pro One OS, both were somewhat stiff frames and the PT280 MP and OS are very flexible frames. As we know with Head's number system back in those days, the lower the number, the stiffer. So with that said, you get your hands on an Austrian Bumblebee Radical 260 OS, you've essentially got what Agassi used and apparently still uses to this day even through all of his recent racquet adventures.
     
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    Ace,

    Any chance for some pics? Had any Rdc specs?

    I get a giggle from the flex point and liquid metal paint job attempts
     
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    Thanks for the reply, Ace. So do you have any idea how exactly **** plays into the mix? I know they are AA's customizer, and are the ones who actually (form and) apply his custom grip. Are they the ones who actually perform the paint job as well, or is this directly from Head? Perhaps I'm being naive, but in a way it appears easier for **** to acquire some old PT260 OS in sufficiently good condition and repaint them than for Head to break out the old mold, composition, etc. Then again, for their marquee star of the era, anything could be possible.

    Thanks again.
     
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  27. vsbabolat

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    HEAD manufactures the racquets and then applies the cosmetics. **** only does the customization.
     
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    Thanks again, VS. If I may impose for another question, do you believe the "A.A" is applied by Heard or ****?
     
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    Like vsbabolat said, **** is strictly dedicated to customization of the racquet only and have nothing to do with the paintjob. In Agassi's case, Head still makes them for him and simply paintjobs them to whatever the current model is out as well as put the "A.A." on there. I'm sure Andre gets a new batch every year to this day. I think he's been using the IG Radical OS paintjob in recent Powershares Series events. Paintjobs are aways done on the manufacturer side of things and racquet customizers like **** simply customize the racquets to specific specs.

    Here's pics of the FXP Paintjob AA Radical OS I have... I don't have any specs on it other than it weighs 360 grams and I consider the grip to be blocky feeling, not round like a Prince grip, but not rectangle like a stock Head either (I'm sure **** does a urethane mold on the bare hairpin of the frame for Andre)...

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    Much appreciated, Ace - beautiful racquet.
     
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    Ace, your comment about the grip had me wondering so I decided to unwrap the grip to confirm shape and composition and, yep, indeed a urethane mold. The following picture reveals this, but interestingly --- exactly where Agassi prefers his lead.... Evidently John Cauthen was right....

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    ^Where is John to see this? However, if you want to match sticks, in both static, swing weight and balance, this would be the location to add weight. So maybe Andre doesn't specifically ask for this mod?!

    Always enjoyed his (john's) posts/rants. Believe he advocated something like 30gr at that specific location. We can assume that the handle is filled with silicone, so maybe it equals out in the end.

    Very nice catch there El Zed. May I ask if you're planning on hitting with it? Or is this just for the wall?
     
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    Thanks, Klementine. Definitely doubt that I'll try it anytime soon. I'll need to verify the exact specs now, as I'd like to apply the same to some of my Pro Tours and now definitely thinking about picking up a Trisys 260 OS to try this out on.
     
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    Might be difficult to get the trisys swinging/feeling the same. Worth a shot just out of curiosity to see the difference. Looked up some specs on the 260, don't remember it being that heavy.

    Head Size: 107 sq. in. / 690 sq. cm.
    Length: 27 in / 69 cm
    Strung Weight: 12.2 oz / 345 gm
    Balance: 8pts HeadLight
    Beam Width: 21 mm
    Swing weight: 325
    Composition: Twaron / Graphite
    String Pattern: 18 Mains/19 Crosses
    Swing Style Rating: L5
    Flex: 57
    String Tension: 60-68
     
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    Thanks a lot man, was looking for that! If the AAs are just Trisys 260 OS, should be pretty easy though right? I'm likely being way too optimistic...
     
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    What an epic thread. Congrats on the beauty, Zed.

    I, for one, would absolutely have to hit with it. Just to see. No digs, but the frame would be talking to me from the wall. 'Psst.... Hey... Over here... '
     
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  37. ace0001a

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    Nice...I could never get myself to peel away the grip but based on the education we all get here, I simply figured a custom urethane mold had to be done for Andre on is Radicals.

    Also going with the knowlege we all know and have learned, I would venture to guess that there is lead under the bumper and either lead or silicone in the handle...but as we can see lead right there at the top of the handle.
     
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    Thanks, JGads! I thought this would cure my RH, but still on the search for a brand new PT280/630....

    My fiancee has no idea why i'm not willing to try it out.... Let me ask, does bouncing a ball on the string-bed count? :)
     
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    With an actually autographed tournagrip, I don't blame you at all. Curiosity just got the better of me, especially since it's still new enough to raise a dissenting voice if something was "off" about the racquet.

    As to the additional silicone/lead, that an interesting point. I found an old post by VS specifying an unstrung weight of 11.3 oz for the unstrung Trisys 260 OS. So 320 grams, plus another 15-20 grams for strings, and the weight of the throat based lead - not sure there is room for much additional weight. That of course is presuming that the AA racquets are indeed weighted similarly to the old Trisys 260 OS, and didn't come from a lighter hairpin (like the PT57 relative to the PT630).
     
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