Youtube vids of young kids

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  1. 10schick

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    :oops: Sounds like a post from Evan's dad.... Nobody defends a kid other than theirs like that! :oops: BTW.. it's "ophthalmologist" Should probably learn to spell that by the time he applies for Stanford.
     
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    I agree that it sounds like his Dad. However, I see nothing wrong in him posting that. It hurts when someone says your kid is terrible, when clearly his kid is a very good player. You never know what level he may reach.. Could be Div 1 or even pro's or neither.. you cannot tell at this age.

    However, he called this upon himself by posting the video of the kid in the first place. That's a no-no out here IMO :) .
     
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    I agree. The best advise is not to post a video of your own kid and ask what people think if you're not ready for criticism. This is a rough crowd here :shock:
     
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    A why it is best to just laugh.

    Half the posters on the forum will criticize Federer and Nadal's strokes!
     
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    TCF,

    I'm not tearing your posts apart but you just don't have all the facts. Many of the kids visiting over the last two weeks are not part of the USTA program. Secondly, the training schedule was altered during those 2 weeks. So what you saw was not typical. Like I said, if you're at Evert, talk to John Evert as I believe there is an open dialogue there.
     
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    Chalk do you work at Evert?
     
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  7. TennisCoachFLA

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    No problem chalk.

    I saw these kids yesterday leave practice and just leave all their trash all over the tables with trash cans 2 feet away. They just acted so entitled and no one was providing any discipline. My 6 year old started tossing all the water bottles into the trash.

    But I am confused as to why the USTA is pushing Quickstart and getting kids into tennis and there has not been one kids program here?

    Why wouldn't the flagship facility have tons of local kids playing tennis once the high performance kids are done? How many parents would run to have their kids play Quickstart at Evert's? A name they all grew up with.

    It just seems like common sense if the USTA rents 10 courts here that they would use them to support their programming for kids. There are boatloads of kids riding bikes all over the area, a huge mostly empty parking lot....yet nothing for kids.

    The last few nights these fancy cars come tearing into the lot and out of shape adults come flocking in for their social tennis. None of it makes sense....both Evert Academy and USTA seem to be after kids....yet the programming does not seem to exist.
     
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  8. ga tennis

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    What a shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  9. mike53

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    Makes perfect sense to me. This is the difference between organizational and personal priorities. On an organizational level, getting kids into tennis is an unimpeachable mantra. On a personal level, it means someone else's kids and some other place. The people you are observing don't need a quickstart program and they don't want to see those kids at their place. It makes sense when you look at it from their point of view.
     
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  10. tenniscrazed

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    I agree and disagree. I don't think it's a rough crowd at all. I do agree, if you're going to post a video on the internet accessible to the entire world and ask for opinions, advises, critique whatever then man you better go into it with all eyes open. Good or bad. Otherwise why do it in the first place.

    As far as Ngueyen I hope he has a great career at any field he goes into. But if he has any aspiration of playing tennis at a Stanford level (sadly and I'm sorry Mr. Ngueyen). Save your money for the tuition, by the time he reaches college the average year will push $80K and the level of tennis (if they even have a program) will be almost top 400 ATP. That's reality.
     
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    TCF,
    Out of shape adults are flocking to social tennis there because Evert courts are technically part of the local housing development and any resident can play there for free when courts are available. Evert and USTA do not own these courts - they probably rent fixed number of hours per week.
     
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    Free courts??

    Did I really just read that above post correct?
    Please explain your source for this knowledge; I'm waiting on busting my gut to make sure I'm roflmao for a just cause!
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking. Cannot imagine a tennis academy and USTA using a housing developments tennis courts, be it free, or rented out, or part owned :)
     
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    keep it coming boy's, your really letting me know who knows whaty and who does not. It's getting good
     
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    The National Tennis Center in Queens is owned by the City of New York and operated by the USTA. It is open to the public most of the year for an hourly rate. They certainly have a junior program, but I challenge anyone to show me how to sign up for quickstart.

    However, out here in the provinces, the description of the fall class went up on the bulletin board a couple days ago and it is now quickstart - all equipment included. You can sign up today or just show up. I saw a couple dozen orange balls on the training cart, but I've never seen them in use. I'll have to stop by and check out the class. We hold several 10s events each year and it will be interesting to see how they are run next year.
     
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    klu....the only non academy people allowed to use the Evert Courts are people staying at Courtside Villas next door. These are short term housing for tennis parents or tennis lovers and some academy students. Some of your payment goes to use the courts. I know, I am there as I type this.

    http://www.courtsidevilla.com/

    The other residents that surround the academy, Mission Bay area of Boca, are not allowed to use the courts. There must be 10 signs that say, "No one but academy clients and staff are to use these courts".

    I talked to some of the adult players. A few paid for lessons from Evert staff. The rest were academy workers like secretaries, etc who invited their friends to play in the evenings.

    Evert owns all the academy property and the courts are private.

    There is a Mission Bay tennis court facility, a mile or so down the road and totally different than Evert's.
     
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  17. mike53

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    That would be consistent with the way it is represented on the USTA's press releases.
     
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    The Evert's have owned the property for a long time. IMG bought into it maybe 6 or so years ago. The USTA relationship goes back 2 years I think.
     
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    Evert has always owned it??

    You go do some digging since your there. Ask Micheal Summers! I am sure he would love to tell you! Then let me know the rest. No, I mean teach the others the history of 10333 Deigo Dr.
     
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    Long time yes. But why did it become. ETA? Where was Sir John before that? Who was running a program on those courts. Give you a clue...profiled player from Unstrung. Lmao. What a small circle pro tennis is
     
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    I have to admit that my first-hand knowledge is 4 years old (pre-USTA) but probably not much has changed. There is a small development called "Courtside Villas" adjacent to Evert. If you own/rent there you can play on Evert courts. Read the middle of the page:
    http://www.courtsidevilla.com/
    Now this development is a part of a larger housing development that has many more courts. If you stay in "Villas" you can play on these other courts too. I guess residents of the whole larger development can also play on Evert courts. I used to stay in the "Villas" and hit on red clay at Evert (I think red clay is gone now). It seems Evert just leases these courts although they may be investors in the whole development. Bottom line the courts are owned by the residents of this community who obviously pay association fee. When I was there it was never clearly spelled when we could play. You could play when the court was available??? But it was never an issue as there were many courts in multiple places. At nights and on weekends Evert courts mainly stayed empty.
    I am not sure if USTA is allowed to provide programming at night and on weekends on these courts or even draw QS lines. But due to recent legitimation of QS tennis Evert academy will have to have courts with QS lines to accomodate young paying customers.
     
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    By the way, I noticed there are 3 QS tournaments in Florida this month.
     
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    WHITE PLAINS, N.Y., July 5, 2006 -- The USTA today announced a new alliance with the Evert Tennis Academy in Boca Raton, Fla., to provide year-round housing for top junior players for the first time, launching a new era in the program’s mission to develop the next generation of American tennis champions. Working with the USTA, the Evert Academy will construct a new on-site facility that will serve as the national headquarters for USTA Player Development. The USTA is expected to move its national headquarters from Key Biscayne, Fla., to the Evert Tennis Academy by September 2007.

    As part of the new arrangement, the USTA will for the first time offer player housing for promising young players aged 14-18. Plans for the facility call for a three-level building that will include dorm-style living arrangements a state-of-the-art fitness center, classrooms, offices and a conference facility.

    The Evert Tennis Academy is run by Chris Evert and John Evert, and features 23 tennis courts, including 14 clay courts and 9 hard courts, with 14 courts lighted for night play. The USTA Athletic Training staff will have access to training rooms at all times, and the facility will feature a state-of-the-art video lounge.
     
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    I typed my previous post but did not post for 2 hours:). When I was at "villas" I could play on Mission Bay courts too. It may still go both ways. Find out if you can play on MB courts and most importantly use their fancy pool! Yes all these courts are private.
     
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  25. TennisCoachFLA

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    Hmmm....a staff member at Everts who has been there for 12 years gave me the history and insisted Evert owned it. But looking at public records the current owner of the property is listed as follows:

    Sek Institutional Communications, Incorporated by Francisco Guiral, Jorge D Segovia Bonet, Susana P Sanmiguel, Sek Institutional Communications, Corporation is located at 10333 Diego Dr S Boca Raton, FL 33428. Sek Institutional Communications, Corporation was incorporated on Sunday, January 26, 1997 in the State of FL and is currently active. Arazoza & Fernandez-Praga, P.A. represents Sek Institutional Communications, Corporation as their registered agent.
     
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  26. tennis boy

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    there is a kid named Collin Altamirano, he's very good
     
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    You don't know what you are talking about, a college player is no where near 400 on the ATP. These college players will not have any clues if they were competing on the futures. There is a big difference between college players and futures players, and that is the bottom of the totem pole on the pro tour. College tennis is only good for college bound folks, but the pro players will just laugh at them when they try to make a living on the pro tour.

    But as far as commenting on the kid's tennis, it's fair game. Just take some comments that will benefits the kid and disregard others' as TCF wrote. I agree with him that people will criticize even Fed and Nadal's strokes, so the kid is no exception if you post his video anywhere. But he's pretty good though, I would work on his serve and his volley a bit more though.
     
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    But as far as commenting on the kid's tennis, it's fair game. Just take some comments that will benefits the kid and disregard others' as TCF wrote. I agree with him that people will criticize even Fed and Nadal's strokes, so the kid is no exception if you post his video anywhere. But he's pretty good though, I would work on his serve and his volley a bit more though.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for your opinion, I truly appreciate it. I agree that his serve and volleys probably have issues, but the good news is that I believe there's been some improvement since that video was taken in July. In the clip you may have noticed that his serve was much less confident on the far side; reason for that as he told me afterward was because he was looking right up at the sun and did not want to risk double faulting in series in front of people watching (including Higueras who was there that day). No excuse, but again that's the mentality of a 12-year old I guess.

    With regards to his two-year stint with USTA in Carson (after school program), I truly believe that overall he's benefited from the experience. Coach Roditi was very helpful in getting him to transition to a semi-western from an extreme forehand grip last year. Really though, the most valuable aspect of the whole thing in my opinion was that it was a great match play opportunity with the top local kids.

    I have to say though, however, that with the exception of coach Roditi (and coach Gullickson before he went back to Boca), I was rather underwhelmed by the coaching staff. There is quite a bit of turnover for whatever reason. When Evan had some issues with his forehand technique earlier this year, it seems as if none of the coaches noticed nor cared. I finally decided I had to do something about it and took him to work on getting it corrected with the Fritz brothers (Guy and Harry) - that thankfully turned out to be a very good decision for us.

    And lastly, I felt that perhaps the Carson Facility deserves some of the long-standing criticism - that it is not really doing its job in looking for and developing champions but rather is set up as a network for well-connected folks helping out each other. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it is peculiar to me that the kids who got invited back for the fall session seem to all have a parent who was a former professional of some sort regardless of how good the kid is... Some even work there as coaches, with as many as three of their own kids in the program. Hmmm!!
     
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    TC will be too busy making stupit commnets about junior tennis to do any work
     
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  30. chalkflewup

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    Naw...just another tennis dad with a little knowledge of the game. I've been around junior tennis a bit and spent a lot of time at many Florida academies including Evert. I think the Evert staff are rock solid people and they do a great job with the kids.
     
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  31. tenniscrazed

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    #1 I said when he gets to college that would be 5 years. #2 the level is and will be at 400 - 600 ATP that is what I meant sorry for the confusion. #3 if you don't believe me let me cite a few examples (John Isner, Benjamin Becker, Lester Cook, Somdev Devarman) I could go on and on. If you want more. I will try to find them. The LEVEL is that high. It is what it is. I would stick to school and forget tennis if I were him. He doesn't have it. Sorry.
     
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    The players you named were top 10 college players. The average Div. I college player is 1000+ ATP (i.e. not ATP level), and many of them do get scholarships. But, I agree that the level of Div I college tennis very high, just a notch below 400-600 ATP.
     
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    Bingo! That is what I was referring to. Not all NBA players play at similar level as Kobe Bryant. Most college players rank outside of 1,000 on ATP and will not have a clue what to do on the ATP tour. No you don't need to go on because I know you don't have a clue about the difference between college players and the ATP players. They are completely different, like night and day. Yes, college players play at high level tennis for the NCAA levels but that level is not going to meet the expenses on the ATP tour when you are trying to break in first at the futures level. Yes, it's nice to go to college and play tennis for the school but don't put these college players in the 400 ATP, because it's laughable.
     
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    What level did you play at ?
     
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    Well, the bottom line is you know what your kid needs and how to meet those needs. Is it tough that you are not at Carson anymore, I mean getting quality players for your kid to hit/play and/or practice with? How are you doing that nowadays?

    BTW, is this your influence or is it solely your son's dream to go to Stanford and to play tennis there? I remembered when I was 12, I assure you I didn't think about college, let alone being an ophthalmologist. I certainly thought about college in my freshman year in high school though. I understand, I do that to my son now. I push him and he's only 4 years old. But I sometimes push him too much, so I try to back up. There are plenty good schools and playing tennis for a college doesn't have to the the end-all goal. You can go to Stanford and pursue a profession, and it doesn't have to be an ophthalmologist, and still be successful in life. I don't drive my son to select a profession, but I drive him to work hard and not take things for granted. He'll be the one to select a profession. Frankly, most normal 12 year-old boys aren't going to think about colleges, let alone being an ophthalmologist. But that is my opinion only. I'll be worried if my son starting to tell me that he wants to be such and such by the time he's 12, because there are so many things that should go inside a boy's head at that time. But again, I can be wrong and it will not be the first time.

    I'll keep an eye out for your son at local events.
     
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    Well thankfully, there are a lot of good players in Orange County who are "under the radar", more so in the 14's than in the 12's where the better kids tend to be highly ranked (and playing at Carson). Now he plays a full match every other day with one of his regular practice buddies and hits with a coach two days a week. Unlike Carson, we save 1.5 hours each night on the freeway and he gets home early enough to get his homework done and go to bed at a decent hour. Last year, he typically stayed up past 11 and sometimes midnight, which was downright insane. Now he seems much better rested and relaxed and I think his game has benefited from it.

    With respect to his future college choice, the Stanford thing is his deal totally (I myself am a USC alum). He met Bradley Klahn at Carson over the summer and likes his game, especially the big lefty serve. We took him to visit Cal and Stanford over the summer after a tournament up north. Now he has a picture of the Stanford main entrance on his computer homescreen... As for becoming an ophthalmologist, that came about I think when he had some issues with contact lenses causing an infection this year and got along really well with the doctor who treated him :).

    Obviously as you said, every kid is different – and personally I am kind of glad to hear these things out of him at a relatively young age (he actually will be a freshman in HS next fall). With a little hard work, who’s to tell our kids anything is impossible? We as parents should be receptive to it in my opinion. I’m sure things may change a year or two from now as he discovers other interests but hey let him dream big, be supportive and hope for the best is probably the only thing any parent can do.

    Again, thanks for your comments.
     
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    Sounds like you got a very smart kid.You should be very proud of him!!!!!!
     
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    Chalk....the above information is not what USTA is telling parents and kids. We have been at USTA high performance Since 9-23 now. I have talked to many of the kids/parents and they were not only told that USTA high performance had access to ALL EVERT courts and facilities, they were told the access included 15 additional courts near by. They were told that all 38 COURTS would be rocking with top elite juniors. This was 2 years ago. One parent emailed me a link stating this information in writing.

    http://www.usta.com/About-USTA/Training-Centers/USTA_Training_Center_Boca/

    2 parents today told me that they were told if they moved their teenagers here there was also going to be a huge Quickstart program for the little ones. These folks brought their entire family to the area, including little ones who they wanted in Quickstart.

    Well....the USTA is using a hand full of courts here....rarely at the 15 court private site.....there is zero Quickstart at the facility nor any plans for it. There are maybe 5-6 elite players and the rest are a step below.

    USTA high performance is flat out lying to parents and kids, the parents say its more of a frat house for high school aged kids than a training program, and they say Pat Mac blusters in every 5-6 months like royalty for a few hours and the entire program is an epic mess.

    So from now on no one can defend the USTA high performance to me, I have seen it for myself and talked to people who have lived and breathed it. This program has zero chance of reaching its goals of producing champions and is a huge waste of money that will give a hand full of kids a free high school education/dating life and then they will go play college tennis. The money spent per kid to get them college scholarships is beyond absurd.
     
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    Watching the videos I had one main pet peeve. Maybe it’s just me, but this “modern forehand” coaches are teaching kids now a days makes me wanna puke.
     
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    Oh my goodness I don't know how the kids are not injuired hitting a forehand like that at such a young age!!


    When I was taught only about 6 yrs ago I was about 10 my coach taught me the classic eastern grip closed stance forehand, then a 2H backhand.


    I guess parents just want to see early success in their kid instead of building and shaping a player.
    As the kid gets physically stronger then teach him/her the semi western forehand and let them follow through naturally don't force a follow through.
     
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    TCF,
    You have always been against the program so there's no changing your mind. First of all, it's not a QS camp so I don't believe the parents were ever told that this was a QS program because it is not. QS is obviously part of the grand plan just not part of the high performance plan nor should it be. Silly for the parents to think otherwise. The comment about every court rocking with juniors is silly too as the parents knew ahead of time how many kids are in the program. Every court won't be rocking with juniors because Evert uses many of the courts. And the number of kids in the program is proportionate to the number of courts utilized by the program. With that said, there's more emotion than substance to your post. My guess is you didn't talk to Jose, Patrick or Berger.
     
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    I'm with TCF. I recently visited Everts and of course watched the USTA HP while there. TCF is right on this one. I also talked to a couple of parents and got the same feedback. The place in general didn't have the intensity that I was expecting. I have visited NBTA twice in the last few months. Took my kids there at the end of the summer and recently went back for a few days myself. On this trip I visited Everts/USTA, Rick Macci, Nick Savianos and back to Bollettieri's. Of all of these, I would put my kids at Bollettieri’s with no hesitation. The coaches are all great, the staff is very friendly and helpful, and they work those kids hard. Plenty of upper level kids to hit with and more always flowing in and out. I know Bollettieri's has been criticized in the past, however, I spent about an hour talking to Nick in the indoor courts and they have added so much to the program this year and are really extending themselves to help the kids and keep the parents involved. I was very impressed.
    I'm taking my daughter back in January for a 1 month trial and if we like it, we're moving down next year to start fall 2011.
     
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    If you're flush with cash, NB is a great choice. Great facilities and NB has been great for the game and he's a great salesman. Personally, I'd go to Saviano over NB if I was developing a young player and NB if I were looking for competition for an older player. I've heard plenty of negative stories about the kids at NB, however; I dismiss all that nonsense just like I did when TCF made comments about the kids at USTA. They're just kids.
     
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