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Marius_Hancu 08-22-2007 09:45 AM

The Benefits of Surgical Tubing, by Nadal
 
Pictures courtesy of vamosrafa15

Nadal in Montreal
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?i...actice1ag0.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?i...actice2bn3.jpg

I saw Federer doing similar stuff in Montreal, with elastic bands.

chess9 08-22-2007 09:56 AM

Nice stuff, Marius!!

Doing his right shoulder too. :) Good man, but he does have serious one-sidedness for a righthander. His left side is much bigger than his right! Is this odd, or what?

He's also using green bands which are pretty light. I'm wondering if he's having some bursitis?

-Robert

Trainer 08-22-2007 10:12 AM

Right side? WTF?

LuckyR 08-22-2007 10:15 AM

So? What are the benefits? I'll tell you one thing, Rafa didn't get his guns from surgical tubing...

TennezSport 08-22-2007 01:44 PM

Wait.........
 
Not sure where these shots were taken (on courts, work out rm, etc.), but from these pictures this may be resistence training used to treat muscle injuries.

TennezSport :cool:

Marius_Hancu 08-22-2007 01:56 PM

Such stuff is used for both active training and conditioning and for rehab.

Fed was using the elastic bands at the training sessions I was present during the warmup.

They are great for training the rotator cuff and other shoulder components, in both strength and flexibility.

blubber 08-22-2007 02:05 PM

I agree with Marius.

It looks like he's exercising the rotator cuff. I do some of this stuff too.

You're supposed to use light weights at high repetitions.

http://www.binghamton.edu/athletics/strength/rota.pdf

http://www.aafp.org/afp/980215ap/980215a.html

LuckyR 08-22-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu (Post 1685485)
Such stuff is used for both active training and conditioning and for rehab.

Fed was using the elastic bands at the training sessions I was present during the warmup.

They are great for training the rotator cuff and other shoulder components, in both strength and flexibility.


I'll buy rehab for a Pro (or anyone else for that matter), but active training and conditioning for a Pro? I don't think so. (I don't mean there aren't Pros who use them, but I seriously doubt there is a Pro who has musculature so feeble that a single surgical tubing is going to provide enough resistance to do much of anything beneficial).

WildVolley 08-22-2007 02:37 PM

He's doing external rotator cuff exercises in both pictures. While it is his right arm, I believe it is always best to exercise both sides of the body to limit muscular imbalances.

I've been doing similar exercises with a 5lb weight.

xtremerunnerars 08-22-2007 03:11 PM

It doesn't surprise me to see any of the pros using this stuff because of the kind of stress they go through. I've seen a ton of pros using it in their warmup.


Funny story with this...at cincy.


Joker was getting warmed up for his tuesday practice session and was using this stuff and the stretchy bands. After a while, he was warming up his shoulders and had the stuff anchored behind him when he pulled it forward, akin to a pelvic thrust basically. Some girl made a cat call from the crowd and he looked over and smiled while laughing a little.

Pretty funny stuff!

jkonecne 08-22-2007 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyR (Post 1685560)
I'll buy rehab for a Pro (or anyone else for that matter), but active training and conditioning for a Pro? I don't think so. (I don't mean there aren't Pros who use them, but I seriously doubt there is a Pro who has musculature so feeble that a single surgical tubing is going to provide enough resistance to do much of anything beneficial).

They aren't for his muscles necessarily. There mainly used for tendons and joints and things.(when not used for rehab) I bet Nadal was 100% healthy in the pic. You have to be very careful not to lift too much weight when doing those types of motions.

chess9 08-23-2007 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtremerunnerars (Post 1685648)
It doesn't surprise me to see any of the pros using this stuff because of the kind of stress they go through. I've seen a ton of pros using it in their warmup.


Funny story with this...at cincy.


Joker was getting warmed up for his tuesday practice session and was using this stuff and the stretchy bands. After a while, he was warming up his shoulders and had the stuff anchored behind him when he pulled it forward, akin to a pelvic thrust basically. Some girl made a cat call from the crowd and he looked over and smiled while laughing a little.

Pretty funny stuff!


Excellent point about warming up, and warming up both shoulders would be appropriate escpecially since he has a two handed backhand. This wouldn't be rehab or strength building with green bands. LOL! If he needed those bands for rehab he should be at home resting. And as strong as he is he could be using at least 10 lb weights for rotator cuff work. I do my rotator cuff work with 20 lb weights x 20. Usually 3 sets.

But, this is just my opinion, which is usually wrong. :)

-Robert

LuckyR 08-23-2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jkonecne (Post 1686455)
They aren't for his muscles necessarily. There mainly used for tendons and joints and things.(when not used for rehab) I bet Nadal was 100% healthy in the pic. You have to be very careful not to lift too much weight when doing those types of motions.

No worries. The amount of resistance of a single surgical tubing (especially for someone with Nadal's arms) is more than zero, but not much more...

Ano 08-23-2007 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chess9 (Post 1686969)
Excellent point about warming up, and warming up both shoulders would be appropriate escpecially since he has a two handed backhand. This wouldn't be rehab or strength building with green bands. LOL! If he needed those bands for rehab he should be at home resting. And as strong as he is he could be using at least 10 lb weights for rotator cuff work. I do my rotator cuff work with 20 lb weights x 20. Usually 3 sets.

But, this is just my opinion, which is usually wrong. :)

-Robert


Pal, did you mean external rotation or internal rotation?

I could only do external rotation with 8 kilo (17.6 lb) dumbell for 10 reps.

jkonecne 08-23-2007 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyR (Post 1688240)
No worries. The amount of resistance of a single surgical tubing (especially for someone with Nadal's arms) is more than zero, but not much more...

Exactly, you don't want to lift too much more than that. It can really hurt you in the long run.

chess9 08-24-2007 06:59 AM

Ano:

I do external rotation by holding the dumbbells at shoulder level, elbows out, and rotate up towards my head. That's my standard exercise, but I also will do cable pulls for external and internal rotation. Internal rotation on cable pulls I use 40 lbs on our machine. (I doubt machines are fungible.)

Do you think I'm going too heavy? My shoulders are fine now that I've gotten rid of that nagging supraspinatus/teres minor inflammation or whatever it was. The back of my shoulders have always been very strong, btw.

-Robert

blubber 08-24-2007 08:32 AM

Do you use this thing:

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http://www.iartonline.ca/proshop/Thu...oulderhorn.htm

snoopy 08-24-2007 09:23 AM

This guy doesn't like the above exercise, see the last paragraph of his article. I'm not sure what to think.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt20.htm

chess9 08-24-2007 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blubber (Post 1689851)

I do that exercise, but I don't use that contraption. What's the point of it? It seems it might be like using machines. I like free weights better for stabilizer muscles.

-Robert

chess9 08-24-2007 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snoopy (Post 1689963)
This guy doesn't like the above exercise, see the last paragraph of his article. I'm not sure what to think.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/matt20.htm

Well, I've been doing that exercise for many years. It was shown to me in college by the trainer for the football team as I recall.

Anyway, I'd like to hear Ano's view of that. I suspect it's a lot like stretching in a doorway. Some guys can do it and some guys shouldn't do it. :)

But, I'll defer to Ano or one of the other guys with more technical knowledge of the rotator cuff.

Interesting point of view. Thanks for the input.

-Robert


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