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Marius_Hancu 11-01-2004 08:04 AM

Great fitness sites
 
[N.B. I reached the article size limits at TW, thus I must divide the old thread in two.]

I found these non-commercial sites very useful for the tennis player mindful of his/her conditioning:

Great Fitness Sites I (Conditioning)
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=52164

Great Fitness Sites II (Aches and Pains)
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=52165
(go here for tennis elbow, wrist and shoulder probs, etc)

Have a good workout!:-)

precision response 11-02-2004 02:13 AM

Add www.bodybuilding.com ... an invaluable source for strenght conditioning

Marius_Hancu 11-02-2004 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by precision response
Add www.bodybuilding.com ... an invaluable source for strenght conditioning

I for myself consider that tennis players need true athletics training, including a considerable emphasis on speed and flexibility, beside strength, not bulking up.

See:
Should Athletes Train Like Bodybuilders?
http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2004/...e_training.htm

If one wants to train for strength, I would suggest them to do that in a olympic decathlete's way, slim and mean, not a bodybuilder's way.

vin 11-03-2004 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu
Quote:

Originally Posted by precision response
Add www.bodybuilding.com ... an invaluable source for strenght conditioning

I for myself consider that tennis players need true athletics training, including a considerable emphasis on speed and flexibility, beside strength, not bulking up.

See:
Should Athletes Train Like Bodybuilders?
http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2004/...e_training.htm

If one wants to train for strength, I would suggest them to do that in a olympic decathlete's way, slim and mean, not a bodybuilder's way.

I think it was you who recently pointed out that Agassi benches over 300 lbs. You don't think that helps his forehand? Do you not think that's 'bulking up'. You don't get that strong without growing some new muscle, and you can't grow new muscle without eating more calories than you use through daily activities.

The challenge for a tennis player is to become as strong as possible without packing on too much extra weight. That's a tough thing to do. However, I think being stronger provides enough benefit to overcome the disadvantage of being heavier - within moderation. I think the 170 - 180 lb weight range for someone just under 6', maybe even a bit heavier, is ok for tennis. You'd be surprised how much muscle you can have packed on at this weight.

Here's something to think about ...

I played seriously in high school at about 130 lbs. I stopped playing after high school but picked up weight lifting. When I started tennis again, I was around 180 lbs. But despite the extra 50 lbs, I'm much faster and I hit the ball harder with less effort.

In regards to your bodybuilder reference, competitive bodybuilders train only for size and definition. Their goal is presentation. Athletes lift weights to gain strength and stability. Their goal is functional. Just because you're lifting weights, even if they're heavy weights, doesn't mean you're 'training like a bodybuilder'. Is Agassi a bodybuilder because he can bench press over 300 lbs? And do you think there's a lot of decatheletes that can bench that much? It's possible, but I highly doubt it. The more endurance based a sport is, the harder it is for it's athlete to maintain muscle.

I think too many tennis players are like many women with respect to weightlifting. They have the gross misconception that if they touch a weight, they are going to become huge like Arnold.

Anyone who is healthy, in good shape, and is looking to get stronger for tennis can't go wrong with picking a few good compound exercises like squats, deadlifts, chin ups, incline bench press, etc, and trying to add a few pounds each week.

I agree that flexibility and speed are important also. Especially flexibility. My main point is that tennis players shouldn't be so afraid of 'bulking up'. It's hard to gain muscle without gaining a little fat, just keep it under control. Give it a try and you'll realize how much work it is to put on just a few pounds of new muscle.

Marius_Hancu 11-03-2004 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vin

I think it was you who recently pointed out that Agassi benches over 300 lbs. You don't think that helps his forehand? Do you not think that's 'bulking up'.

I played seriously in high school at about 130 lbs. I stopped playing after high school but picked up weight lifting. When I started tennis again, I was around 180 lbs. But despite the extra 50 lbs, I'm much faster and I hit the ball harder with less effort.

Anyone who is healthy, in good shape, and is looking to get stronger for tennis can't go wrong with picking a few good compound exercises like squats, deadlifts, chin ups, incline bench press, etc, and trying to add a few pounds each week.

I agree that flexibility and speed are important also. Especially flexibility. My main point is that tennis players shouldn't be so afraid of 'bulking up'. It's hard to gain muscle without gaining a little fat, just keep it under control. Give it a try and you'll realize how much work it is to put on just a few pounds of new muscle.

Putting 10-20lbs, is OK, but I am for doing that with athletically oriented exercises, not bodybuilding.

And I am doing squats, deadlifts, chinups, the whole thing, etc, but my goal is personal records and improvement, and keeping my flexibility and explosiveness (thus Pilates and pliometry), not bulking up. As I have Sampras's proportions (but not talent:-)), I think I better stop here. And check my sites, they describe such exercise.

vin 11-03-2004 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu

Putting 10-20lbs, is OK, but I am for doing that with athletically oriented exercises, not bodybuilding.

And I am doing squats, deadlifts, chinups, the whole thing, etc, but my goal is personal records and improvement, and keeping my flexibility and explosiveness (thus Pilates and pliometry), not bulking up. As I have Sampras's proportions (but not talent:-)), I think I better stop here. And check my sites, they describe such exercise.

That's great that you are doing those exercises.

In my opinion, putting on 10-20 lbs IS bulking. Bulking doesn't have to mean transforming into hercules, just gaining weight. And the compound exercises mentioned are also used by bodybuilders, so in a way, you are using some bodybuilding methods. I'm only pointing this out to make sure that the terms you're using are not being misinterpreted and scaring anyone away from the benefits of weightlifting and gradually progressing to heavier weights.

precision response 11-06-2004 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu
Quote:

Originally Posted by precision response
Add www.bodybuilding.com ... an invaluable source for strenght conditioning

I for myself consider that tennis players need true athletics training, including a considerable emphasis on speed and flexibility, beside strength, not bulking up.

See:
Should Athletes Train Like Bodybuilders?
http://www.mercola.com/fcgi/pf/2004/...e_training.htm

If one wants to train for strength, I would suggest them to do that in a olympic decathlete's way, slim and mean, not a bodybuilder's way.

Thanks for the words of wisdom, Marcus Hancu :roll:

You are obviously new to these boards.

If you had simply taken the time to check out www.bodybuilding.com you would see that it is not all about sheer bodybuilding. STRENGTH conditioning is a very important factor in tennis, whether you like it or not, mate.

I could go on, but Vin, seems to have hit the nail on the head!

Happy hitting... :?

Marius_Hancu 11-06-2004 05:04 AM

precision response said:

>STRENGTH conditioning is a very important factor in tennis, whether you like it or not, mate.

Of course, but I recommend non-commercial sites which are oriented athletically and not bodybuilding-like. That's my personal reference. If you want another list, write one yourself, pls.

The site you recommended sells lots of supplements, and I am for natural development. One better beware today, with all the side effects of the various stuff available.

And there's quite many strength components and advice at the sites I recommended, you just didn't check them. Check the OUTSIDE series, it has strength every week.

Check

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/PowerExercises.html
http://www.jeanpaul.com/standard.html

there's lots of strength there.

vin 11-06-2004 05:57 AM

I wouldn't argue that there's a lot of garbage weightlifting advice floating around on the internet and in magazines. If you want some practical and sound information on lifting weights, check out the books published by www.hardgainer.com Beyond Brawn and The Insiders Handbook on Technique are two excellent books. As with tennis, it's hard to get all the knowledge you need from a web site. You have to do some reading too.

Marius_Hancu 11-06-2004 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vin
As with tennis, it's hard to get all the knowledge you need from a web site. You have to do some reading too.

I'd have to agree with that.

gmlasam 11-17-2004 04:57 AM

Marius_Hancu,

Where is it mentioned that Agassi benches 300lbs? Thats practically doing 6 45 lbs plates. The most I ever benched was 295 lbs, my one rep max, back when I played football. That is 4x45 lbs plates and 2x35 lbs plates.

In football, we trained like power lifters, and did lots of squats, and clean and press type exercises with high explosion movements.

If Andre does bench that much then he is training to be bulk up as what vin mentioned.

Its really impressive Andre can bench that much considering his upper body does not have the mass that most people have that can bench about 300 lbs.

Marius_Hancu 11-17-2004 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gmlasam
Where is it mentioned that Agassi benches 300lbs?

I heard 315lbs with my ears, during one of his matches, from one of the commentators, I think on CBS. And I have it in my tape collection, but it will take me time to get to it, as I am not sure right now which one it is.

I know, it's not this easy.

OK, I found this:
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/funct...9-120028-8894r
A former UNLV strength coach, Reyes first met Agassi in the Runnin' Rebels weight room almost 14 years ago. The two formed a lasting bond, and Reyes since has presided over the intense workouts and vomit-inducing dune runs that allow Agassi to bench-press 350 pounds while outlasting players nearly half his age.
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I am not sure if this isn't just a figure promoted by Reyes or Agassi's camp.

Even more impressive is that when Martina N was at the top, I heard the same figures (over 300lbs bench press) for her. Now, looking at MN's arms, would not be surprised either.

fjgarciap 01-19-2005 09:49 AM

Thanx to all of you for answering, this thread has become very illustrative.

Marius Hancu: I'm also in the natural way of losing weight and will keep the same to reach my athletic goals. Again, thanx you and Vin.

Kaptain Karl 02-14-2005 01:12 PM

Good stuff, Marius! You are quite the Researcher...!

- KK

Jonnyf 05-13-2005 02:08 PM

i know this threads ancient and i've already daid this but what a credit marius is

Tomek_Pl 05-22-2005 05:29 AM

www.t-nation.com
www.crossfit.com

Marius_Hancu 05-22-2005 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tomek_Pl

the first is heavily commercial, and full of bad artificial stuff.

then 2nd one is a bad link.

Tomek_Pl 05-23-2005 05:11 AM

T-nation is a very good site IMO. There are lots of articles with good information. And tehy don't tell you to do 4 ex. of 3x12 for sports... I didn't find it so commercial, but sure, they sell some "eating stuff".

The second is http://www.crossfit.com/ but it's not as good as T-nation.

waves2ya 05-24-2005 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marius_Hancu
the first is heavily commercial, and full of bad artificial stuff...

Was not always that way, Marius; better when it was T-Mag - but there are still gems

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....icle=299const2
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=459964

Curious tho' how some of their best stuff (Running Man & 10 Tip for Flawless Squating) is unavailable...

Btw - here's another good one for ya:

http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html

bertrevert 06-22-2005 07:31 AM

Got knee pain, am reading up about it, (sitting with knees bent all day makes it worse) so thanks for this thread...


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