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Robbnc 02-07-2008 06:12 PM

PRP for TE
 
I had my Platelet Rich Plasma treament on Wednesday and it was pretty
much as I expected.

The Doc drew a fairly small amount of blood from my left arm and gave it to
the assistant to process, which took about 15 minutes. What was left was
maybe 1 cc of concentrated platelet. After numbing my wrist and elbow with
some lydocaine the procedure began. Using 2" long (but small dia.) needle
the Doc started with my elbow. I only looked once or twice so its kinda hard
to tell how many times he stuck me but it was a lot. I guess 25 or 30 . But
with some of that he just partially withdrew the needle and moved it around,
tracking down the tendon. I could feel my wrist swelling from the elbow
injections! But appearantly that was normal. This took about 3 minutes but
seemed much longer. I didn't really feel pain just uncomfortable as that long
needle plunged deep into the elbow.

Nest came the wrist and this was no fun. For this the Doc used a floroscope
to guide the injection. I could see the moniter and saw the needle move in
and out between all those wrist bones, pretty graphic. The wrist was done
in another 2 or 3 minutes and it was all over.

The Doc told me I would be cussing him on the way home and he was right.
It hurt. A lot. My arm was swollen, throbbing and felt like it weighed 50 pounds. I couldn't lift it.

Needless to say I found my way to the first drug store and got my presc. for
hydrocodone filled. In another 45 minutes or so I was ok.

When the first pill wore off the pain wasn't nearly as bad, so I waited until
bedtime to take another. Today, Thursday the pain is pretty much gone but
my arm is very stiff. I haven't needed anymore pills.

As far as effectiveness on TE, we will just have to wait and see. The Doc
says it will be in the 3rd week or so to get any idea how much progress has
been made, but he expects good results. He's pretty sure one treatment
will fix the elbow but the wrist is just wait and see. He also told me to
lay off the racquet for one month if I wanted max benifet from the procedure.

Sometime around week 3 I will begin light stretching and very light dumbells.
This seems to be a little on he conservative side according to what I have
read but I would rather err that way then rush it. The Doc had already done
4 PRP's before I got there Wed at 11am.

I'll update as needed, and hopefully this will turn out to be an effective CURE
for TE. And in case someone hasn't read my other posts , Yes I have tried almost every treatment you ever saw listed on the forum. They didn't work.

scotus 02-07-2008 06:55 PM

Keep us posted.

One question: Is this procedure covered by insurance? If not, mind sharing with us how much it costs?

zacinnc78 02-08-2008 02:25 AM

thanks robb

chess9 02-08-2008 03:56 AM

Ouchee'! Good luck with that. Was Dr. Marquis de Sade grinning wildly the whole time he was injecting you? :)

-Robert

LuckyR 02-08-2008 09:15 AM

Can't wait to hear the results. BTW, 25 - 30 injections of a total of 1cc sounds interesting. 1/30 of a cc is pretty darn small, probably much smaller than the amount of serum that was left in the barrel of the needle.

Robbnc 02-08-2008 09:54 AM

The insurance lady at the doctors office told me that most insurance has
paid for this procedure. My insurance pre-approved it but I have no idea
how much they will end up paying. I also have supplemental ins which should
pay some too. The cost for one treatment is around $ 1000. There are some
clinics around the country that specialize in this where you can get an
elbow done for $ 500- $600, but none were close enough to me. Its probably
gonna end up costing me some but I'd rather make a few payments then
miss tennis all summer, if it works.

Zac, this Doc is in Huntersville if you're ever interested, I didn't know what
part of the state you were from.

The one cc was just an estimate, I have little medical knowledge and I am
not familiar with syringes. But the amount given at any one point IS very ,
very small. He barely moved the plunger.

Today, 2 days post procedure I have no pain just stiffness left and that seems to be working out pretty fast.

Edberg_Fan 02-08-2008 12:36 PM

Robbnc - Best of luck in your post treatment recovery!

Can you tell us your TE situation before the procedure. How long did you have TE, how intense (could you play), what you thought caused it?, have you tried other things, how old are you... etc..

Thank!

rosewall4ever 02-08-2008 01:48 PM

Thanks for sharing...err 'nice' to to how it works when we tennis nuts are likely to share the experience in the future..;)

Good luck in your recovery!

zacinnc78 02-10-2008 04:12 PM

how u feelin robb?

Robbnc 02-10-2008 07:52 PM

I've had wrist and TE a little over 3 months. It started with the wrist, the TE
came on one day when I wore a wrist brace to play for the first and only time, it only took 2 sets to get TE. I went from a perfectly fine elbow to full
blown TE in 2 sets!

Prior to PRP I tried rest, ice, heat, anti-inflams, rehab, active release therapy,
graston therapy and laser .

Today , 4 days after the procedure I am still a little tight in the forearm but
less than yesterday. I HAVE NO PAIN IN MY ELBOW! What would happen if I
picked up a racquet I don't know, but I'm not gonna do that.
My wrist feels strong but I do get an occasional phantom pain that comes out
of nowhere , last for maybe half a second and then is gone. This usually happens when I'm not even moving it. No big deal. And also the doc is not sure that I don't have a cyst in my wrist that will still have to be dealt with.

From what I've read this initial pain relief is mostly from fresh blood being
attracted to the injury sites. It will still be 2 more weeks or so when I start
working these areas to really see how they hold up now, but for now all looks
good.

Oh, I am 52 and prior to this injury I was playing at least 3 or 4 day a week,
including a couple long sessions on my ball machine plus a couple hundred
serves. I had kept this up for about a year and a half with no problem at all.
I had played with a K95 and then a Aero Pro Drive, but my problem with the
wrist started almost immediatly when I got a Pure Drive 107, ( very stiff)

Ironically, I was playing much better with the 107. When I come back I'm
looking at either a Volkl C10 Pro or Microgel Radical OS.

zacinnc78 02-11-2008 04:29 PM

sounds good man i hope u can get back 2 it quick....on a side note,i really dont feel like ice and anti- imflammatories are the answer to this problem ,but more an initial rest >stretching/massage>strengthen>ease back into tennis with the right quipment.....just my opinion from my experience
were u using poly?

Robbnc 02-12-2008 07:57 AM

I was using a poly/gut hybrid. I only tried full poly one time for about 20
minutes and then cut it out of the frame, way too harsh for me.

Most of the current thought on TE is that it is not an inflammation at all but
a degenerative process. Not only do ice and anti-inflams not help, they may
actually interfere with the healing process. The worst of course being
cortisone. I think many cases of TE can be overcome with time away from
tennis and rehab, I had a case in my 20's and it basically forced me out of
tennis for years. Only after I was married and bored did I remember I once
played the game and started back playing. By this time my elbow was fine.

On the other hand 2 guys I know have been fighting tennis elbow for 3 or
4 YEARS! They wear elbow braces, constantly take anti-inflams and ice after
playing. But they haven't got any better.

Of all the things I tried before PRP I think Active Release and Graston Therapy
are beneficial. They may even cure some milder cases. Even if the PRP cures
my TE I will probably still go back every few months for ART and GT, it does
relax your arm.

PRP is the only biologic treatment available so to me it was worth a try, I just
can't bear the thought of sitting out for many months. Anyways, update for
today 6 days post procedure: minor stiffness remains in forearm (less than
yesterday) minor discomfort ( not pain) in wrist when flexing, elbow will
lockout now with a little assistance and shows no pain when doing so.

I was told 2 weeks to get back to baseline pain, I have to believe I'm way
ahead of that.

LuckyR 02-12-2008 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbnc (Post 2085494)
I was using a poly/gut hybrid. I only tried full poly one time for about 20
minutes and then cut it out of the frame, way too harsh for me.

Most of the current thought on TE is that it is not an inflammation at all but
a degenerative process. Not only do ice and anti-inflams not help, they may
actually interfere with the healing process. The worst of course being
cortisone. I think many cases of TE can be overcome with time away from
tennis and rehab, I had a case in my 20's and it basically forced me out of
tennis for years. Only after I was married and bored did I remember I once
played the game and started back playing. By this time my elbow was fine.

On the other hand 2 guys I know have been fighting tennis elbow for 3 or
4 YEARS! They wear elbow braces, constantly take anti-inflams and ice after
playing. But they haven't got any better
.

Of all the things I tried before PRP I think Active Release and Graston Therapy
are beneficial. They may even cure some milder cases. Even if the PRP cures
my TE I will probably still go back every few months for ART and GT, it does
relax your arm.

PRP is the only biologic treatment available so to me it was worth a try, I just
can't bear the thought of sitting out for many months. Anyways, update for
today 6 days post procedure: minor stiffness remains in forearm (less than
yesterday) minor discomfort ( not pain) in wrist when flexing, elbow will
lockout now with a little assistance and shows no pain when doing so.

I was told 2 weeks to get back to baseline pain, I have to believe I'm way
ahead of that.


Don't confuse injury with pain. They can be two very different things...

Robbnc 02-20-2008 10:29 AM

Just an update, today 2 weeks post procedure I have no pain in my elbow
at all. My wrist has a minor twinge at full extension but it goes away with
repeated stretching.

I still have a small amount of forearm stiffness first thing in the morning but
that usually resolves itself in the shower.

Keep in mind I'm shouldn't be seeing maximum improvement for another week
or two.

scotus 02-20-2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbnc (Post 2104446)
Just an update, today 2 weeks post procedure I have no pain in my elbow
at all. My wrist has a minor twinge at full extension but it goes away with
repeated stretching.

I still have a small amount of forearm stiffness first thing in the morning but
that usually resolves itself in the shower.

Keep in mind I'm shouldn't be seeing maximum improvement for another week
or two.

Keep us all posted. Thanks again.

Robbnc 02-27-2008 10:17 AM

Update for the week. Today, exactly 3 weeks post procedure I have no
pain in my elbow OR wrist. Very slight stiff feeling upon waking and that's
it.

Trying hard to resist temptation to pick up a racquet. I have a follow up
visit with the doc next Wed. 4 weeks post op. Hopefully I'll be clear to
play.

LuckyR 02-27-2008 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbnc (Post 2121592)
Update for the week. Today, exactly 3 weeks post procedure I have no
pain in my elbow OR wrist. Very slight stiff feeling upon waking and that's
it.

Trying hard to resist temptation to pick up a racquet. I have a follow up
visit with the doc next Wed. 4 weeks post op. Hopefully I'll be clear to
play.

Keep the updates coming

Bud 02-27-2008 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbnc (Post 2121592)
Update for the week. Today, exactly 3 weeks post procedure I have no
pain in my elbow OR wrist. Very slight stiff feeling upon waking and that's
it.

Trying hard to resist temptation to pick up a racquet. I have a follow up
visit with the doc next Wed. 4 weeks post op. Hopefully I'll be clear to
play.

Don't you think it would be wise to take at least 2-3 months completely off from any tennis while at the same time stretching and strengthening the muscles and tendons in your wrist and forearm?

Robbnc 02-27-2008 11:49 AM

I'm sure the doc is gonna want me to rehab a little before I play tennis, and
I will do that, but 2-3 months? I could have managed that without the
procedure.

Marius_Hancu 02-29-2008 01:56 PM

Reinforce your body with surgical tubing:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=152331&

If you have pain with it when doing 3x15 series simulating/shadowing FH, BH and Serve, don't come back YET to tennis. DO NOT.

Wait until you're strong enough.


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