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pmata814 04-22-2008 06:36 AM

How many calories would you estimate are burned in tennis?
 
Can anybody estimate how many calories I would burn during 2hrs of playing doubles? How about singles?

I weigh 260 lbs and am 5' 9" male

I've tried several calculators that I found online and it seems very excessive to me. According to the calculators I would burn about 600 cal/hr in dbls and 700 cal/hr in singles. That would mean that I am burning 1200 cals on dbls league night! (I play for 2hrs) It just doesn't sound right.

Thanks in advance.

edit:
I forgot to add that I am a 3.5 player.

WBF 04-22-2008 06:48 AM

Way too complex to break down IMHO (could be wrong thougH!) You would need to consider breaks, your style of play (running for everything? trying to end points quickly?), your footwork... so much stuff.

pmata814 04-22-2008 08:29 AM

Well I was hoping for a rough estimate that would be within a 100 calories ro so. Anybody know how these internet calculators calculate the calories burned?

spikyblackhair 04-22-2008 11:21 AM

You're right, those numbers seem too high. I'm not sure how those calculators work, but 600 calories is what I might expect to burn in an hour of straight jogging (no breaks) at approx. 6 mph (175 lbs, I'm just a little guy).

Considering that there is a lot of standing around during tennis, I've never considered it much of a workout, even when I'm really playing hard and getting winded. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that an hour of competitive singles would burn about 200 calories for me, just based on how I feel (nothing scientific there). An hour of lackadaisical singles feels like it probably burns around 75 calories, lol, not counting the calories that my body naturally burns.

My advice would be to play tennis for fun, then jog or swim to burn calories. There's nothing better for it. If you jog, just make sure you run on nicer surfaces which won't give your legs too bad of a shock; flat grass/turf is good, or that rubbery track material is OK. Concrete and asphalt will sideline you for a while if you push it too hard. Also, I would start at a high level of intensity (the level where you have to push yourself through one or two cramps and finish with almost nothing left in the tank) but only increase your intensity (distance or time by 10% per week. The first run is h*ll, but after you get used to it and get a routine down, it almost becomes enjoyable. This from somebody who has always hated endurance running.

metamike 04-22-2008 12:10 PM

100 calories?

...HAH...

You use an enormous 2000 calories for basic daily needs such as breathing, digesting...blinking...

100 calories burned playing tennis?

1200 sounds about right, maybe a bit more if youre constantly moving never allowing your body to rest.

pmata814 04-22-2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spikyblackhair (Post 2273443)
You're right, those numbers seem too high. I'm not sure how those calculators work, but 600 calories is what I might expect to burn in an hour of straight jogging (no breaks) at approx. 6 mph (175 lbs, I'm just a little guy).

Considering that there is a lot of standing around during tennis, I've never considered it much of a workout, even when I'm really playing hard and getting winded. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that an hour of competitive singles would burn about 200 calories for me, just based on how I feel (nothing scientific there). An hour of lackadaisical singles feels like it probably burns around 75 calories, lol, not counting the calories that my body naturally burns.

My advice would be to play tennis for fun, then jog or swim to burn calories. There's nothing better for it. If you jog, just make sure you run on nicer surfaces which won't give your legs too bad of a shock; flat grass/turf is good, or that rubbery track material is OK. Concrete and asphalt will sideline you for a while if you push it too hard. Also, I would start at a high level of intensity (the level where you have to push yourself through one or two cramps and finish with almost nothing left in the tank) but only increase your intensity (distance or time by 10% per week. The first run is h*ll, but after you get used to it and get a routine down, it almost becomes enjoyable. This from somebody who has always hated endurance running.

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Originally Posted by metamike (Post 2273595)
100 calories?

...HAH...

You use an enormous 2000 calories for basic daily needs such as breathing, digesting...blinking...

100 calories burned playing tennis?

1200 sounds about right, maybe a bit more if youre constantly moving never allowing your body to rest.

I'd like to share that when I play dbls league, the next morning I am extremely sore and tired! (So much so that sometimes I skip my cardio workout the next day) A lot more than when I do my normal 45 min. workouts on my Elliptical or with weights. So...I'd like to beleive that I am burning more than 200 cals. :confused:

SteveI 04-22-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pmata814 (Post 2272801)
Can anybody estimate how many calories I would burn during 2hrs of playing doubles? How about singles?

I weigh 260 lbs and am 5' 9" male

I've tried several calculators that I found online and it seems very excessive to me. According to the calculators I would burn about 600 cal/hr in dbls and 700 cal/hr in singles. That would mean that I am burning 1200 cals on dbls league night! (I play for 2hrs) It just doesn't sound right.

Thanks in advance.

edit:
I forgot to add that I am a 3.5 player.

Hi,

I have a really good pedometer. I can set it to my height, weight and stride. Then starting a timer it will track steps and do the conversion for cal/hr and miles covered. If I remember correctly, I was about 500 cal/hr for just drilling. Drilling for me means just feeding balls and playing out points (running side to side and up and back) with breaks about every 30 mins. I would think a very hard-fought grinding singles match would be in that same playpark (500-600). Doubles would be less of course. I play about 4.0 and can move the ball from side to side. The rally points in most cases are about 25-30 strokes.

Regards,
Steve

chess9 04-22-2008 03:06 PM

I had my Polar Heart Rate monitor running for 3.5 hours a few days ago. I played 3 sets of singles and 3 sets of doubles, and total caloric expenditure was estimated at 2160 calories. I would suggest that 2/3rds of that was expended on singles and 1/3 on doubles. So, about 1300 calories for singles and 860 calories for doubles, roughly. So, about 433 calories per set of singles, and 287 calories per set of doubles.

I have a high metabolic rate, needing about 2800 calories per day to maintain my base weight.

So, for a guy who is out of shape, I'd say the numbers would be considerably lower, particularly for singles, since you probably are unable to work as hard as I can.

-Robert

superman1 04-22-2008 04:17 PM

If you're playing singles and you're playing long points and sprinting side-to-side and forward and back, and you're dripping with sweat, then you're going to be burning a lot of calories. If you're a typical rec player who stands in one spot and hits to one spot, then you won't be burning nearly as much.

waves2ya 04-22-2008 05:02 PM

Yep - HRM...

If you are playing 4.0/4.5 A level singles you would be surprised what your average heart is during a match (and how high it can spike; mine does 180); multiple sets over 1-2 hrs - easily 1000 kcal per hour.

I use one and it helped me appreciate the role training, ballistic routines and managing fatigue play in my athletic life (I was grinding myself down, not building up enough - not eating right and resting/sleeping properly).

Btw the doubles workout, as you might imagine - varies greatly.

spikyblackhair 04-22-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by metamike (Post 2273595)
100 calories?

...HAH...

You use an enormous 2000 calories for basic daily needs such as breathing, digesting...blinking...

100 calories burned playing tennis?

1200 sounds about right, maybe a bit more if youre constantly moving never allowing your body to rest.

My body burns approx 2,200 calories per day on its own, but I have always felt like tennis for most people doesn't burn many calories at all. If you are playing at a higher level then I could see it going into the 400-500 calories/hr range, but as far as 85% of the people I see out on the courts goes, it's probably anywhere from 75 to 200. Here's why:

1) You have to spend time collecting balls without a ball boy/girl. Most people seem to walk around to do this, which burns some calories, but isn't all that intense.
2) Most people can't consistently hit extended rallies, meaning less actual playing time and more ball collecting time.
3) Most people can't place their shots all that well, meaning that they won't make each other run all that often. Lots of people just smack the ball back and forth straight to each other from the baseline until somebody makes an unforced error.

I personally always try to run to get balls and place my shots whenever I get the chance, but my hitting partners pretty much always walk unless I yell at them, and only hit a well placed shot that will make me sprint once in a blue moon. I can get far more exercise in while running, weight lifting, or playing pickup basketball games. Tennis has always been pretty tame for me because I don't play at a high level and don't have a really intense partner who will push me that often, and yet I notice that I still do more running and hard playing than the majority of the other people out on the courts.

Most of you guys here are fairly hardcore compared to the rest of the tennis world, and I'm sure you burn more than 200 calories per hour. You're more consistent, more competitive, and may have ball boys/girls during your matches. However, I was speaking about what I think the majority of the population burns, and they honestly don't seem to be doing much work at all. You know that most people who say "yeah, I exercise, I play tennis" are people who play about once every other week at around the 1.0 to 3.0 level... just imagine what a 2.0 player looks like on the courts. I know you've seen them. They do more running after mis-hit lobs than anything else. I would love it if I burned even just 400 calories per hour while playing singles. I could quit running altogether, and I've never really been a fan of running. However, monitoring my caloric intake and factoring in several hours of tennis every other day, an hour of weight lifting every other day (I know it's weak, but I'm too busy with other things right now to do it every day), jogging 6+ miles every three or four days, and an hour of dance every other day, the numbers just don't add up. I feel much more tired after running for an hour than after any other activity I do. Lifting is more for enhancing the other activities rather than burning calories, although it certainly burns some. Tennis and dance get me sweating and occasionally tired, but it's never close to jogging because you get breaks in the action and don't really do an hour of straight exercise.

If you play a competitive game and you are constantly on the move with little downtime, pmata814, I would think that you could burn maybe 300-400 calories/hr in singles. More body weight would mean that a similar amount of court coverage would require more calories. However, I stick by my statement that swimming and running remain unparalleled for burning calories in the shortest amount of time.

spikyblackhair 04-22-2008 05:48 PM

Think about it this way (sorry, can't edit my posts): if you burn 1,000 calories per hour playing tennis, then you could go home after a match, eat a large pizza with some beer to wash it down, and not get noticeably fatter after two weeks of doing this (assuming you eat regularly the rest of the time and balance your diet with your basal metabolic rate).

Midlife crisis 04-22-2008 06:58 PM

Heart rate is a poor way to judge aerobic stress or caloric consumption. You can be sitting as comfy and relaxed as possible in an easy chair, but with your favorite wet dream doing a striptease in front of you, your heart rate will be sky high and only one part of your body will be doing any "work".

Roughly, an average athletic adult male in his 20's or 30's could probably consume 1000 Calories per hour at their aerobic maximum output, such as cycling or running at their maximum sustainable rate for the entire hour. (This corresponds to an aerobic power output of around 250 watts, since thermodynamic efficiency averages 23-27% among men in this age range). Anything that increases the variability of the effort lowers the total amount of energy output possible. For instance, sprinting 10 seconds and resting just long enough to sprint again, will use well less than 1000 Calories per hour.

This being said, I'd say that an hour of very intense doubles might use 300 to 400 Calories total. You have to account for all the time standing around waiting for the server to bounce the ball, retrieving balls after points, switching sides, etc. There is not a lot of energy being expended during those times.

metamike 04-22-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by spikyblackhair (Post 2274306)
Think about it this way (sorry, can't edit my posts): if you burn 1,000 calories per hour playing tennis, then you could go home after a match, eat a large pizza with some beer to wash it down, and not get noticeably fatter after two weeks of doing this (assuming you eat regularly the rest of the time and balance your diet with your basal metabolic rate).

Which is strangely enough pretty much what I do. Except before a game so that it's all burned off, not after. Aaaand...yeah...Not really gaining weight here...In fact the opposite.

And I myself hate playing "slow" tennis, where people don't run to get balls, or don't play seriously. My opinion is that if you have the chance to play tennis with someone, give your all :)

Japanese Maple 04-23-2008 07:19 AM

Spiky-if you are a strong "A" club player in a hard fought competitive match, you will easily burn 500-800 calories per hour not the 300 to 400 per hour you state.To burn extra calories and improve footwork while practicing, I place a speed ladder and jump rope on the side of the court and use these for 1-2 minutes during changeovers-great way to burn calories and improve quickness. Of course it helps if your partner does the same and is not waiting for you. Also, run to pick up balls obviously burns more calories , along with a split step each time your partner hits the ball.

spikyblackhair 04-23-2008 09:39 AM

Hehe, I'm definitely not playing at that high of a level. There have been times when I try to get my buddy running after balls, but for some reason he gets tired considerably quicker than I do. This just aggravates things, as when he gets tired, he gets lazy with his form and starts cannonballing a lot more shots past the baseline, so we have shorter rallies. I really think it's his mental game more than anything else; any problem will take his game down a couple notches. I can be doing 80% of the running, and I will try to push myself harder to keep up the pace, but if he doesn't have water, or his shoes feel a little too loose or tight, or if his grip isn't just the way he likes it (he also claims he can feel a difference in weight/balance when a vibration dampener is on), he will make excuses and have worse shots. That said, he's a pretty good playing partner when he has no excuses, and I definitely hit a lot of unforced errors as well; I just feel like I am usually putting in more effort and focus than he is. He's gotten a little better since we started playing together since I've yelled at him a lot, but it's frustrating when I have been running around to collect balls and I'm tired but still pushing myself to play well, while he doesn't move to collect balls at the same time as I do or he walks to do it and then really doesn't put in the same amount of effort (sloppy footwork, slicing balls instead of topspin, loss of form).

Well, I got a little off topic with that... I just have to vent a little bit now and then so as not to break another racquet down the road :)

Good suggestions, JM, but I think my buddy would be worthless for tennis after about 10 minutes if we did that, lol. I can't even get him to collect balls reliably.

metamike: I envy you. I haven't been able to eat a whole pizza and not live to regret it since high school, and I am 99% off of beer and soda. 100% agreement on the tennis mentality, though.

rbq4h4 04-23-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chess9 (Post 2273998)

So, for a guy who is out of shape, I'd say the numbers would be considerably lower, particularly for singles, since you probably are unable to work as hard as I can.

-Robert

im just curius but isnt the inverse be truer? i'm really out of shape and near 300 pounds so if for me running is harder then isn't then burning mor e caloreis than if you in shape? dont i work harder than you, i' know i more out of breath than you after running the same?

fastswingVD 04-23-2008 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmata814 (Post 2272801)
Can anybody estimate how many calories I would burn during 2hrs of playing doubles? How about singles?

I weigh 260 lbs and am 5' 9" male

I've tried several calculators that I found online and it seems very excessive to me. According to the calculators I would burn about 600 cal/hr in dbls and 700 cal/hr in singles. That would mean that I am burning 1200 cals on dbls league night! (I play for 2hrs) It just doesn't sound right.

Thanks in advance.

edit:
I forgot to add that I am a 3.5 player.

you're fat man
im 5'7 and weight around 120

The Home Run Kid 04-23-2008 08:26 PM

Lol, was that comment really neccesary? I was 6' 1", 275, and I knew I was fat. Plus, you've never seen him. He could be like 4% body fat and be ripped out of his mind. But even if he's not, trust me, he doesn't need somebody to tell him if he's overweight, he can figure it out on his own just fine.

0range 04-23-2008 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chess9 (Post 2273998)
I had my Polar Heart Rate monitor running for 3.5 hours a few days ago. I played 3 sets of singles and 3 sets of doubles, and total caloric expenditure was estimated at 2160 calories. I would suggest that 2/3rds of that was expended on singles and 1/3 on doubles. So, about 1300 calories for singles and 860 calories for doubles, roughly. So, about 433 calories per set of singles, and 287 calories per set of doubles.

I have a high metabolic rate, needing about 2800 calories per day to maintain my base weight.

So, for a guy who is out of shape, I'd say the numbers would be considerably lower, particularly for singles, since you probably are unable to work as hard as I can.

-Robert

Hi Robert can I know your LBM (lean body mass weight)?

And this heart rate monitor thing can tell me exactly how much calories I spent doing whatever I was doing??


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