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Necroblood 06-14-2008 08:36 PM

Biceps: Are they useful?
 
Are Biceps useful in tennis? I was wondering because since the summer is setting in I wanted to make my workout schedule.

Purostaff 06-14-2008 08:44 PM

nono, just go for the chest.

chest + noodle arms = attraction

Voltron 06-14-2008 09:05 PM

Nope, in fact, my biceps are so useless I had them surgically removed. :rolleyes:

BullDogTennis 06-14-2008 09:18 PM

honestly i dont know that bicepts are useful in anything...unless you play football and have to pick everyone up off the ground!

ogruskie 06-14-2008 09:32 PM

Every muscle in your body is useful, otherwise it wouldn't be there in a first place. The most minuscule movements require the contraction of many muscles and nerves. Simply because you don't see any "use" in biceps, does not mean that you can rule them out of your work out routine. Besides, muscle imbalances can cause injuries. Treat each muscle with equal attention.

SystemicAnomaly 06-14-2008 10:57 PM

Power from the biceps is crucial for picking balls up off the court.;)

Seriously tho', the biceps are used for bending the arm at the elbow, but are not used directly that often for generating power -- they are used indirectly, bending the arm, so that other triceps and other muscles can apply power.

If you use a lot of supination (opposite of pronation) of your BH strokes, the biceps might be a factor in power production. (This is probably more common in badminton than it is in tennis). It should be noted that the biceps are involved in supination primarily when the arm is bent -- when the arm is straight, the role of the biceps is considerably less. You probably use some biceps power when supinating on a BH overhead (smash).

Even if you do not believe that you need much power from the biceps for your strokes, it is still a good idea to work on them if you plan to develop your triceps. The biceps & triceps are complementary muscle groups -- if you work on one group, you should also work the other to prevent muscle imbalance. On the other hand, you probably don't need to work on the biceps quite as much as you work on the triceps.

jon44 06-15-2008 08:32 AM

Biceps have been shown to serve as stabilizers of the shoulder.

But the whole idea of just working an isolated muscle (or even worrying about doing exercises to balance out specific muscles) is really out-dated when it comes to strength training for sports. Recommend you look at "Functional Training for Sports" by Mike Boyle.

Jon

Rickson 06-15-2008 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Necroblood (Post 2427653)
Are Biceps useful in tennis? I was wondering because since the summer is setting in I wanted to make my workout schedule.

Shoulders, biceps, triceps, and forearms are all important for playing tennis.

10sfreak 06-15-2008 11:07 AM

Nadal seems to make good use of his left biceps muscle...

Phil 06-15-2008 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickson (Post 2428708)
Shoulders, biceps, triceps, and forearms are all important for playing tennis.

My 22-inch guns serve me well-for tennis and other activities, thank you very much!

scotus 06-15-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 10sfreak (Post 2429090)
Nadal seems to make good use of his left biceps muscle...

Well, is he doing well because of those big biceps or in spite of them?

Rickson 06-15-2008 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil (Post 2429167)
My 22-inch guns serve me well-for tennis and other activities, thank you very much!

We're talking about biceps, not your NRA membership.

10sfreak 06-15-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scotus (Post 2429294)
Well, is he doing well because of those big biceps or in spite of them?

Looks to me like the kind of shots he normally hits has led to his superior biceps development (in his left arm). He does a really fast whipping motion, using his biceps quite a bit (or so it seems to me).

superman1 06-15-2008 05:42 PM

Nadal has a very unconventional forehand that uses his bicep more than the conventional forehand. So yes, his left bicep was developed from playing tennis. Not exactly the fastest way to build your 'ceps, but if you're playing tennis 6 hours a day using that stroke, you'll see some results over the years.

Biceps are useful for tennis, and they look good, so it's a win-win. They shouldn't be the focal point of your routine, nor should they be completely neglected.

SystemicAnomaly 06-16-2008 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jon44 (Post 2428680)
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But the whole idea of just working an isolated muscle (or even worrying about doing exercises to balance out specific muscles) is really out-dated when it comes to strength training for sports. Recommend you look at "Functional Training for Sports" by Mike Boyle...

Functional training or multi-joint (& multi-directional) movement training does appear to have considerable merit. Isolated muscle development vs functional training is much akin to the difference between bodybuilding and true (functional) strength development. As per your recommendation, I "google browsed" thru Mike Boyle's book -- he makes excellent points about training for the specific demands of a given sport and does a very decent job of covering many facets of functional training.

However, I remain unconvinced that muscle imbalance is an issue that can ignored. There appears to be on-going debate in the exercise community about this particular aspect. Some advocate a training program that focuses on both movement and muscles in order to correct muscle imbalances.

In browsing thru Boyle's book, I noticed that he does recommend some "isolated muscle" training. It is also interesting to note that so-called isolated muscle group training, especially with free weights, is not really isolated. For instance, in performing a biceps curl, the forearm & hand muscles hold the load, the triceps muscles passively stretch, the shoulders inhibit unwanted motion and the core stabilizes the entire body.

Nonetheless, I applaud you for bringing up the subject of functional training so that we can all be further enlightened on proper training for tennis.

D. Dokas 06-16-2008 12:25 AM

biceps get girls :) so tell me do u still think u need em?

RedWeb 06-16-2008 05:15 AM

They are necessary picking up girls and beers!... nuf said, no.

L4RZ 06-16-2008 05:37 AM

Triceps gives you power in the serves while the biceps job is stop the racquet end phase or what you call it.

Another to put it is:
Stronger biceps-> less strain on the arm/shoulders.

Well thats what my coach said.

SteveI 06-16-2008 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 10sfreak (Post 2429090)
Nadal seems to make good use of his left biceps muscle...


Got that right...:-)

Ask Fed and the Joker!!!!

AlpineCadet 06-16-2008 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Necroblood (Post 2427653)
Are Biceps useful in tennis? I was wondering because since the summer is setting in I wanted to make my workout schedule.



Rafa is shouting at you for asking this question.


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