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Mikael 06-17-2008 10:08 AM

Chiropractor: am I getting ripped off?
 
Hey guys,

I just came back from my 2nd visit to my local chiropractor in one week and I am still a little puzzled about the whole deal. It'd be great to hear some opinions about this.

Here's the background info: I went to see the guy because of some lower back pain that resurfaced while deadlifting a couple months ago, and also because of some chronic "soreness" in the cervical spine + IT band issue in the right leg that appeared recently...

Anyway, the first time I went to see him last Saturday he performed a series of tests (for some reason he looked at my eyes a lot) and cracked a number of joints during a few minutes.

I tried to get as much specific info about my injuries as possible, but he kept giving very general answers about the nervous system controlling the whole body, and about the spine protecting the nervous system, etc. I asked him: so what are the muscle imbalances that are causing all these problems? His answer was that the muscle imbalances were only a consequence of faulty spine alignment.

We scheduled another appointment for today, once again he cracked stuff in my spine for a few minutes... And then he wanted to schedule yet another appointment, within a few days!

So I asked him: what exactly is the course of action? He answered that I would have to see him about twice a week for a month, then only once a week, then once a month indefinitely... in order to correct problems in my spine and then keep it from reverting to its non-optimal state. Not only that, he said that during the first few weeks I shouldn't play tennis because it would mess everything up. Talk about a bummer...

So here I am thinking: WTF?! Am I fu**ed up to the point where I'm gonna have to spend 600+ bucks/month just to fix my injuries, which I thought were fairly minor?

What do you guys think? Especially the chiropractors here or those that have seen one: am I getting ripped off, or is this the "real deal"? Isn't there a cheaper way to go about this?!

raiden031 06-17-2008 10:12 AM

Get a second opinion. I would not spend $600/month on something like that. I don't know if you're getting ripped off because medical care is generally expensive anyways.

Topaz 06-17-2008 10:32 AM

I've recently started seeing a chiropractor as well, only mine is also a soft tissue and sports injury specialist, as well as a runner and triathlete. The first appt. was 150 and a long appt, about 45 minutes, as he checked me out and looked at my specific complaints (lower back and plantar fasciitis in my left foot).

Since then, I'm supposed to go back twice a week for a while (though my schedule and pocketbook don't allow it), with subsequent session costing 80 each.

However, he is spending the lot of my time with him on my foot, which is my biggest problem. He is using ART (active release therapy) to break up scar tissue, and it hurts like H*LL!!!! He also works on my shoulders and neck a bit, and also does the obligatory spine/neck cracking.

I'm not sold on him so far, especially since my foot has really hurt since I've started treatment. I'm giving him one more week, and then maybe pulling the plug and going back to what I was doing on my own. My reasons for going to this specific guy is that he is an athlete himself (so won't tell me just to stop playing/running) and was highly recommended by a friend who is a serious runner.

RedWeb 06-17-2008 10:39 AM

Odds are you're getting ripped off.

In my personal experiences chiropractors aren't worth it. They did not help me and most of the people I know were not significantly helped by them. I started yoga about 2 years ago and that has been better than any medical help I've ever received (other than a couple of surgeries that were mandatory due to various injuries).

That being said it is also difficult to find good sports medicine oriented doctor(s). The best ones tend to work with local semi-pro and pro teams so you might be able to do some research and find someone that way, if you live in or are close to a bigger city.

Ask around at tennis courts, especially older players who may have gone through some physical trials. Most people are more than willing to share their experiences. That was how I got started with yoga.

Good luck!

P.S. IMHO, Topaz's has a much higher liklihood of success than yours because she got references and the dude is an athlete himself.

ollinger 06-17-2008 10:41 AM

You have lower back pain and you deadlift. I don't think the chiropractor is your biggest problem.

Fee 06-17-2008 11:34 AM

I go back and forth about chiropractors. I had a great one in So Cal, he didn't pull any of that twice a week stuff with me, but I have not found a good one in Nor Cal and the one that I have seen so far knew that I was flat broke and still tried to give me a 3 times a week treatment plan when I threw out my back a few years ago and I never went back. While I believe that SOME forms of holisitic medical can be helpful, I don't think anyone needs to see a chiro more than once a week.

Go get a really good sports massage, see if that helps align your muscles.

wao 06-17-2008 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikael (Post 2434398)
Hey guys,

I just came back from my 2nd visit to my local chiropractor in one week and I am still a little puzzled about the whole deal. It'd be great to hear some opinions about this.

Here's the background info: I went to see the guy because of some lower back pain that resurfaced while deadlifting a couple months ago, and also because of some chronic "soreness" in the cervical spine + IT band issue in the right leg that appeared recently...

Anyway, the first time I went to see him last Saturday he performed a series of tests (for some reason he looked at my eyes a lot) and cracked a number of joints during a few minutes.

I tried to get as much specific info about my injuries as possible, but he kept giving very general answers about the nervous system controlling the whole body, and about the spine protecting the nervous system, etc. I asked him: so what are the muscle imbalances that are causing all these problems? His answer was that the muscle imbalances were only a consequence of faulty spine alignment.

We scheduled another appointment for today, once again he cracked stuff in my spine for a few minutes... And then he wanted to schedule yet another appointment, within a few days!

So I asked him: what exactly is the course of action? He answered that I would have to see him about twice a week for a month, then only once a week, then once a month indefinitely... in order to correct problems in my spine and then keep it from reverting to its non-optimal state. Not only that, he said that during the first few weeks I shouldn't play tennis because it would mess everything up. Talk about a bummer...

So here I am thinking: WTF?! Am I fu**ed up to the point where I'm gonna have to spend 600+ bucks/month just to fix my injuries, which I thought were fairly minor?

What do you guys think? Especially the chiropractors here or those that have seen one: am I getting ripped off, or is this the "real deal"? Isn't there a cheaper way to go about this?!

Ripped off, possibly. Having ruptured L4 -L5 playing basketball I am always cautious of my lower back. Have you seen an orthopod? or as another poster mentioned a second opinion. That is something that I would definately do. I lift 3 times a week and deadlifts are a part of my workout. I have definately increased the strength in my core ( stomach ) by doing 200 - 300 situps 3-5 nights a week. For me that definately helped my lower back. GET A SECOND OPINION.

atatu 06-17-2008 11:48 AM

Get a massage once a month, and learn how to stretch correctly, also get one of those foam rollers....

LuckyR 06-17-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wao (Post 2434668)
Ripped off, possibly. Having ruptured L4 -L5 playing basketball I am always cautious of my lower back. Have you seen an orthopod? or as another poster mentioned a second opinion. That is something that I would definately do. I lift 3 times a week and deadlifts are a part of my workout. I have definately increased the strength in my core ( stomach ) by doing 200 - 300 situps 3-5 nights a week. For me that definately helped my lower back. GET A SECOND OPINION.


I agree, except for the Ortho part. Most Ortho surgeons look at sports injuries that don't require surgery (they are surgeons, after all) as a waste of time.

wao 06-17-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyR (Post 2434719)
I agree, except for the Ortho part. Most Ortho surgeons look at sports injuries that don't require surgery (they are surgeons, after all) as a waste of time.

Unless you find/have a good one. The ones I have always recommend surgery as the last resort. In any profession there are good ones and ones that are not so good.

Ronaldo 06-17-2008 12:24 PM

Had good luck with a bum back using these exercises in his book, http://www.egoscue.com/

LuckyR 06-17-2008 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wao (Post 2434754)
Unless you find/have a good one. The ones I have always recommend surgery as the last resort. In any profession there are good ones and ones that are not so good.


I'm not taking about good vs not so good, rather Surgical vs Sport Medicine oriented.

raiden031 06-17-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyR (Post 2434804)
I'm not taking about good vs not so good, rather Surgical vs Sport Medicine oriented.

Yeah if you go to a surgeon, expect surgery to be the recommended solution :-P

wao 06-17-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyR (Post 2434804)
I'm not taking about good vs not so good, rather Surgical vs Sport Medicine oriented.

I'm somewhat fortunate that my ortho is partiners with a sports medicine practice. They do all the work and pt for one of the NHL teams.

Rickson 06-17-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael (Post 2434398)
Hey guys,

I just came back from my 2nd visit to my local chiropractor in one week and I am still a little puzzled about the whole deal. It'd be great to hear some opinions about this.

Here's the background info: I went to see the guy because of some lower back pain that resurfaced while deadlifting a couple months ago, and also because of some chronic "soreness" in the cervical spine + IT band issue in the right leg that appeared recently...

Anyway, the first time I went to see him last Saturday he performed a series of tests (for some reason he looked at my eyes a lot) and cracked a number of joints during a few minutes.

I tried to get as much specific info about my injuries as possible, but he kept giving very general answers about the nervous system controlling the whole body, and about the spine protecting the nervous system, etc. I asked him: so what are the muscle imbalances that are causing all these problems? His answer was that the muscle imbalances were only a consequence of faulty spine alignment.

We scheduled another appointment for today, once again he cracked stuff in my spine for a few minutes... And then he wanted to schedule yet another appointment, within a few days!

So I asked him: what exactly is the course of action? He answered that I would have to see him about twice a week for a month, then only once a week, then once a month indefinitely... in order to correct problems in my spine and then keep it from reverting to its non-optimal state. Not only that, he said that during the first few weeks I shouldn't play tennis because it would mess everything up. Talk about a bummer...

So here I am thinking: WTF?! Am I fu**ed up to the point where I'm gonna have to spend 600+ bucks/month just to fix my injuries, which I thought were fairly minor?

What do you guys think? Especially the chiropractors here or those that have seen one: am I getting ripped off, or is this the "real deal"? Isn't there a cheaper way to go about this?!

Chiropractors are not medical doctors and are considered quacks by the medical community. Most medical doctors are also considered extremely ignorant and they account for far more deaths than chiropractors ever will. This is a double edged sword here. If you're paying out of pocket, I say stay away from that quack, but if you're covered, see him once in a blue moon and don't let him determine your schedule. One thing's for sure, you never see a chiropractor when you have a strained muscle because he/she can further strain the muscle with manipulation. Good luck with your decision.

ojingoh 06-17-2008 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rickson (Post 2435302)
Chiropractors are not medical doctors and are considered quacks by the medical community. Most medical doctors are also considered extremely ignorant and they account for far more deaths than chiropractors ever will. This is a double edged sword here. If you're paying out of pocket, I say stay away from that quack, but if you're covered, see him once in a blue moon and don't let him determine your schedule. One thing's for sure, you never see a chiropractor when you have a strained muscle because he/she can further strain the muscle with manipulation. Good luck with your decision.


Great advice, well said.

My brother is a chiro. I am happy and proud of him for finding a career that he loves and believes in. That said, I would go find a PT who can show you how to heal yourself. My biggest problem with chiropracty is that it's pallitive not curative.

Rickson 06-17-2008 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ojingoh (Post 2435495)
Great advice, well said.

My brother is a chiro. I am happy and proud of him for finding a career that he loves and believes in. That said, I would go find a PT who can show you how to heal yourself. My biggest problem with chiropracty is that it's pallitive not curative.

How did your parents take the news? I know most Korean parents want their kids to go to med school, but chiros these days make good money.

ojingoh 06-17-2008 05:56 PM

Nice pickup w/r/t ojingoh :)

Family was ok with it, they're just stoked he's off the street lol. I think my family is pretty atypical of the Korean experience though. Most of my Korean buds have really lame guilting parents, we're just not like that.

Rickson 06-17-2008 05:57 PM

Well you shouldn't have named yourself squid!

ojingoh 06-17-2008 05:58 PM

SMOKED FERMENTED SQUID no less lol


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