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Incorrect ATP stats (a survey)
Many posters here have mentioned that the ATP site has a lot of mistakes when it comes to things like titles won, or scorelines. I'm starting this thread as a resource for ATP errors on match statistics.
I'll start with a list of published boxscores that all differ with the ATP stats. Last week I ran a search in Lexis-Nexis for boxscores from 1991-2000. I just searched for the term "Total Points Won." I found 7 boxscores. Six had serious discrepancies with the ATP stats on service/return percentages and Total Points Won/Played. I sent an email to the ATP with a list. I can't say that the boxscores are definitely correct, but I do know that the boxscore I had found for the 1992 W final had accurate figures while the ATP did not. I also know that the ATP stats for the 1995 AO final are wrong because they clash with my own counts and ESPN's. On the other hand, while the ATP only agrees with 1 of 7 boxscores I found in that particular search, from time to time I have seen other boxscores that agree with the ATP. Sometimes I've also seen, not entire boxscores, but individual stats that agreed with the ATP (for example, just the first-serve percentages). Occasionally these stats come from television coverage. Also, when we've done our own counts, I can't recall a time when our numbers differed from the ATP stats by a lot. In fact we've done a few matches where our own counts for the total number of points agree with the ATP. We've also come up with slight discrepancies, but with the boxscores we're talking about large differences on things like total points played in the match. Later I’ll make some posts on ATP stats that are look okay. For now let me just list all the boxscores I know about that clash with the ATP stats on service/return percentages and Total Points Won/Played. A list of the matches: Agassi-Ivanisevic, 1992 Wimbledon final Bruguera-Courier, 1993 French Open final Courier-Edberg, 1993 Wimbledon semifinal Sampras-Agassi, 1995 U.S. Open final Krajicek-Washington, 1996 Wimbledon final Sampras-Moya, 1997 Australian Open final Korda-Sampras, 1997 U.S. Open Korda-Rios, 1998 Australian Open final Rafter-Philippoussis, 1998 U.S. Open final And here are the actual boxscores. I've been able just to cut and paste them in here; the boxes are gone but the numbers look readable. Agassi-Ivanisevic, 1992 Wimbledon final. From USA Today, the St. Petersburg Times (Florida), the Gazette (Montreal), and the St. Louis Dispatch: The men's singles championship box score (Agassi wins 6-7 (8-10), 6-4, 6- 4, 1-6, 6-4): Agassi-Ivanisevic Aces 9-37 Double faults 1-7 1st serve percentage 58-58 Pct. 1st serve points won 77-82 Pct. 2nd serve points won 64-50 Service games held 22-22 Break points against 5-16 Service games broken 2-3 Placement winners 49-39 Pct. backcourt points won 57-34 Points won at net 22-41 Total points won 163-159 Time of match 2:50 Bruguera-Courier, 1993 French Open final. From the St. Petersburg Times: How Bruguera won Here is the box score of Sergi Bruguera's 6-4, 2-6, 6-2, 3-6, 6-3 victory over Jim Courier in the men's final at the French Open: Bruguera Courier Aces 7 5 Double faults 2 1 First service % 56 56 Break points won 26 14 Unforced errors 66 83 Forced errors 33 16 Total points won 153 146 Courier-Edberg, 1993 Wimbledon semifinal. From the Miami Herald and the San Jose Mercury News. Source: -- ASSOCIATED PRESS Statistics from Jim Courier's 4-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4 victory over Stefan Edberg: Category Courier Edberg Aces 5 4 Double Faults 5 8 1st Serve Percentage 59 66 Pct. 1st Serve Points Won 77 69 Pct. 2nd Serve Points Won 50 31 Service Games Held 15 12 Break Points Against 6 14 Service Games Broken 4 7 Pct. Backcourt Points Won 42 34 Points Won at Net 19 51 Total Points Won 131 113 Time of match: 2 hours, 40 minutes. Published on July 3, 1993, Page 3D, San Jose Mercury News (CA) Sampras-Agassi, 1995 U.S. Open final. The following boxscore appeared in (at least) the St. Petersburg Times and the Salt Lake Tribune: Sampras-Agassi Statistics Date: September 11, 1995 NEW YORK -- Statistics from No. 2 Pete Sampras’ 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 7-5 victory over No. 1 Andre Agassi for the men’s singles championship of the U.S. Open Sunday: Sampras Agassi Total Points Won 124 112 Aces 24 8 Double Faults 6 5 1st Serve Percentage 54 56 Pct. 1st Serve Points Won 86 70 Pct. 2nd Serve Points Won 54 63 Break Point Conversions 4-8 2-6 Winners (including service) 60 33 Unforced Errors 40 33 Net approaches 43-59 13-20 Time of match 2:28 Krajicek-Washington, 1996 Wimbledon final, 6-3, 6-4, 6-3. From the St. Petersburg Times and the Globe and Mail: By the numbers Kra. Was. 1st serve pct. 58 65 Aces 14 5 Double faults 3 2 1st srv. pts. won+ 88 61 2nd srv. pts. won+ 60 45 Brk. pts. converted 5-11 1-2 Net points won 25-36 21-44 Baseline pts. won 32-60 18-52 Total points won 93 66 Time of match 1:34 +-percentages Sampras-Moya, 1997 Australian Open final, 6-2, 6-3, 6-3. From The Age (Melbourne): Pete Sampras (USA) 6 6 6 Carlos Moya (Spain) 2 3 3 THE MATCH Sampras Moya 1st serve % 72% 63% Aces 12 2 Double faults 2 3 % won on 1st serve 82% 58% % won on 2nd serve 53% 41% Winners 38 13 Unforced errors 22 18 Break-point conversions 100% 50% Net approaches 80% 20% Total points won 89 59 Match time: 1hr 27mins (sets 23, 28, 36) Korda-Sampras, 1997 U.S. Open, 6-7 (4), 7-5, 7-6 (7), 3-6, 7-6 (3). From the New York Daily News: MATCH BOX SCORE Korda Sampras First serve 66% 58% Aces 15 24 Double faults 6 5 First serve points won 78% 75% Second serve points won 60% 50% Winners 67% 58% Unforced errors 45 66 Break points 3-12 4-8 Net approaches 16-23 74-124 Total points won 189 170 Korda-Rios, 1998 Australian Open final, 6-2, 6-2, 6-2. From The Age (Melbourne): THE MATCH Korda Rios 1st serve % 52 58 Aces 4 2 Double faults 4 4 % won on 1st serve 78% 59% % won on 2nd serve 57% 30% Winners 32 7 Unforced errors 26 31 Break point conversions 58% 17% Points won at net 53% 47% Total points won 90 58 Rafter-Philippoussis, 1998 U.S. Open final, 6-3, 3-6, 6-2, 6-0. From the Sydney Morning Herald: US OPEN FINAL STATS Rafter Philippoussis Age 25 21 Seeding 3 unseeded First serve % 72 56 Aces 6 5 Double faults 1 13 Winners 39 34 Unforced errors 5 29 Break pt conversions 6 of 20 1 of 3 Net approaches won 62 of 82 55 of 93 Total points won 118 85 Time of match: Two hours, 4 minutes In every one of these cases, the ATP's aces, doubles, break points and number of service games look okay, or at least they resemble the boxscore figures. The remaining ATP stats are sometimes off by so much that they don't appear to belong to the match in question. Some other discrepancies I've seen: - For Agassi-Sampras, 1995 Australian Open, my own counts contradict the ATP stats on points won/played on service and overall. - For Sampras-Hrbaty, 1997 Australian Open, 4th round (6-7 (7-4) 6-3 6-4 3-6 6-4), The Australian reported that Sampras led Hrbaty in total points by 157-154 (the ATP has 189-184); that Hrbaty led in aces by 20-17 (the ATP has 21-17); and that Hrbaty converted 3 of 10 break points (in agreement with the ATP). Maybe if we get enough people e-mailing the ATP we'll get a response. |
Should contact Q&M... Nice to try at least.
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I was watching this recently & late in the 5th, I think both players only had around 52 winners. |
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Borg now appaers with 63 titles... Connors with 107... Q&M? Who else write to ATP?
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Other discrepancies
Here are a few more matches in which the ATP stats are different from stats in the print media or TV coverage:
- For Sampras-Ivanisevic, 1998 W final, NBC had counted 306 points as of 1-all, 30-15 in the fifth. I counted 27 more points, for a total of only 333 points in the match, compared to 404 reported at the ATP. - For Sampras-Ivanisevic, 1995 W SF, the AP and Irish Times report that Sampras led in total points won by 146-145; the ATP has him trailing 175-185. - For Becker-Agassi, 1995 W SF, the Washington Times had Agassi winning 21 of 53 second serves, while the ATP has 21 of 59. - For Sampras-Becker, 1995 W final, the ATP stats differ from the Washington Post on the number of points that Becker won in return games (31 instead of the Post's 20), his aces (17 instead of 16) and his double-faults (16 instead of 15). And the ATP’s Total Points Won (309) would yield 7.9 points per game, higher than any confirmed average I know. - For Sampras-Corretja, 1996 USO QF, the ATP has a total of 431 points played, while other sources have 375 (Washington Times, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Orange County Register). - For Sampras-Agassi, 1993 W QF, the ATP has 318 points played, but HBO's count with eight games left has only 224. I counted 48 points remaining, for a total of only 272. And the ATP lists the match as 8 minutes long. |
I'm sending this excellent data to those guys, we'll see!
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Aces and df's counted twice
I couldn't figure out what was wrong with the ATP stats until the discussion in the other thread prompted me to take another look today. I started adding up how many extra points Sampras was being given by the ATP, and that was the key.
It turns out that the ATP, in a lot of its matches, counted aces and double-faults twice in their figures for Total Points Won. The aces and df's themselves are listed correctly -- but they were included twice in the other rows (e.g., service percentages, success on first and second serve, Total Points Won, etc.) Counting them only once resolves all the major discrepancies that I've listed in the posts above. These are the ATP stats for the 1995 AO final: ![]() They've got Agassi winning 151 points overall, and Sampras 154, even though Agassi won more games (and won the match). Sampras was given 154 points because his aces, and Andre's double-faults, were counted twice. 28 aces + 4 df = 32 extra points 154 - 32 = 122 points won (in line with my own count) And Agassi got his aces, and Pete's doubles, twice: 10 aces + 6 df = 16 extra points 151 - 16 = 135 points won (in line with my own count) And this explains why Agassi, per the ATP, won fewer points than Ivanisevic despite beating him in the '92 W final: because he had only 9 aces while Goran had 37. In fact all the boxscores I posted in the original post now line up with the ATP stats, when the aces and doubles are subtracted from the Total Points Won: Quote:
So the ATP's counting is not perfect; but otherwise it lines up exactly with published figures, once the aces and df's are subtracted. The problem is that there's no way of knowing which matches in the ATP database have mistakes, other than to check against another source. A lot of ATP stats, esp. in the '90s, are incorrect. But even in that decade there are at least a few matches where the ATP does agree with published boxscores, or with other stats (including our own counts). The only way to confirm an ATP boxscore is to check it against stats in a newspaper, tournament website, TV network, or your own count. |
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Incidentally I have Agassi facing 15 break points, while the ATP has only 13. |
So the bias in the ATP stats, when they're wrong, is toward big servers like Sampras, Becker, Ivanisevic.
Not just their total points won, but their service percentages and success on first and second serve, are going to appear higher than they actually were. I think I've read on this board a few debates about whether Agassi or Hewitt had the better return game. That's a good question, but if you use their stats against Sampras, it's more likely that Agassi's return stats are going to appear lower than they really were. Hewitt's stats are probably more accurate because I don't think I've found any ATP stats that are incorrect since around the year 2000. I do sometimes see the ATP differ with other sources by tiny amounts, but that's all. It's in the '90s that, so far, I've found all the big mistakes. |
Thanks for info kevin!
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More discrepancies
- For Edberg-Chang, 1992 USO SF, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune has Edberg leading 209-175 in overall points, for a total of 384. The Washington Post and SI have 404. The ATP has 436, but that drops down to 404 if the aces and doubles are subtracted once (with Edberg leading 209-195). So I'm inclined to think that 404 is the correct number; only the Star-Tribune disagrees. I'm not surprised that anyone made a mistake given the record length of the match (5:26 at the ATP and in the press reports). The Post, SI, and the ATP agree that there were 23 service breaks. The LA Times has Chang converting 11 of 34 break points (same as the ATP) and facing 20 himself; the ATP has him facing 21.
- For Becker-Pioline, 1995 W QF, Becker was broken early in the fifth set according to several sources but the ATP has him unbroken. Each man served 28 times but the ATP has each serving 20. So those stats are incomplete in a way I haven't seen anywhere else; and I don't know if anything is going on with the aces and doubles. - For Sampras-Agassi, 1999 W final, I have Sampras leading 106-85 in overall points, and so does the ATP if aces and doubles faults are subtracted once. - For Agassi-Sampras, 1992 RG QF, I have Agassi leading 102-77. The ATP's numbers drop down to 103-78 if aces and df's are subtracted. And I counted 8 aces by Sampras; the ATP has 6. Finally, I did my own stats for Sampras-Agassi, 1995 USO, and they agree with the boxscore posted in the OP. The ATP has the total points wrong as well as the break points: they have Sampras converting 4 of 7 but he was at 4 of 8 in my count and in the boxscore. Next I'll post matches for which the ATP stats look good. |
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Doing a quick review of the boxscores above from the print media, they do give players greater success on second serve than the ATP does, but less success on first serve. |
Two discrepancies
I’d missed these two boxscores in my notes. They’re the same as the boxscores above: they disagree with the ATP because the latter has counted aces and double-faults twice.
Sampras-Ivanisevic, 1994 Wimbledon final. From the St. Petersburg Times (Florida) and the Washington Times: How Sampras won PS GI Total Points Won 118 88 Aces 17 25 Service winners 54 44 Double Faults 5 6 1st Serve Percentage 50 62 Pct. 1st Serve Won 90 69 Pct. 2nd Serve Won 60 45 Service Games Held 15 12 Service Games Broken 0 3 Break Points Against 2 11 Placement Winners 35 33 Pct. Backcourt Pts Won 63 34 Advances to Net 34 47 Points Won at Net 22 18 Time of Match - 1:55 (The ATP lists the running time as 6 minutes). Kuerten-Bruguera, 1997 French Open final. From the Miami Herald: Source: Herald Sports Staff The boxscore of the men's singles championship of the French Open: Kuerten Bruguera Aces 4 1 Service Winners 11 9 Double Faults 0 1 1st Serve % 48 58 % 1st Serve Pts Won 82 58 Service Points Won 58 59 Service Break Pts 18 9 Break Points Saved 8 12 Return Points Won 53 25 Net Points Won 16 6 Unforced Errors 47 40 Total Points Won 111 84 Time of Match 1:50 |
ATP stats that look good
I've put together a list of matches in which the ATP figures for Total Points Won are supported by at least one source.
By support I don't always mean exact alignment. For some of these matches there are still minor discrepancies between the ATP and other sources, and I've described those below as well as I can pick them out. But in all these cases it appears, at least, that the ATP has not counted aces and double-faults twice. The list runs through 2003. - For Courier-Agassi, 1991 RG final, the Associated Press reports that Courier won 145 points, the same number as the ATP. - For Stich-Edberg, 1991 W semifinal, the Sun Herald (Sydney) confirms that Stich trailed 143-149 in Total Points Won. - For Connors-Krickstein, 1991 USO, R16, I completed a CBS stat late in the fifth set for total points played. I ended within one point of the ATP figure of 374. - For Sampras-Becker, 1996 TMC final, the New York Times and the ATP both have Sampras trailing by 166-178 in Total Points Won. - For Federer-Sampras, 2001 W, R16, the BBC’s service percentages support the ATP’s. - For Safin-Hewitt, 2002 Paris final, I completed a late-match stat by ATP Masters Series TV and got 192 points played in total, with Safin leading 108-84, in agreement with the ATP. I also have some boxscores. Stich-Becker, 1991 Wimbledon final 6-4, 7-6 (4), 6-4 From the St. Petersburg Times (Florida) and The Gazette (Montreal): Stich vs. Becker Aces 15 10 Service winners 51 40 Double faults 3 4 First serve pct. 46 58 Return winners 26 20 Total points won 111 103 Break points won 4-16 2-3 No disagreements with the ATP. Agassi-Medvedev, 1999 French Open final 1-6, 2-6, 6-4, 6-3, 6-4 From the Globe and Mail: Agassi Medvedev Total points won 144 152 Aces 2 23 Winners incl. srv 46 65 Double faults 6 8 1st serve pct 62 63 Pct. 1st serve pts 69 74 Pct. 2nd serve pts 46 41 Break pt. conv 4-13 5-12 Unforced errors 56 65 Net points 22-33 17-30 Time of match 2:51 The ATP actually has Agassi at 145 points won. The other stats line up, though. Agassi-Martin, 1999 U.S. Open final 6-4, 6-7 (5), 6-7 (2), 6-3, 6-2 From the Miami Herald: Source: Herald Sports Staff Agassi Category Martin 64 1st serve percentage 60 7 Aces 23 4 Double faults 8 75 Percent 1st serve points won 71 66 Percent 2nd serve points won 59 39 Winners (inc. service) 74 23 Unforced errors 60 5-10 Break points won 0-8 16-19 Net points won 62-97 165 Total points won 147 * Time of match: 3 hours 23 minutes. The Sydney Morning Herald had the same unforced errors but it had Agassi trailing in winners by 45-77; other than that there are no discrepancies between these two sources or between either one and the ATP. Agassi-Sampras, 2000 Australian Open semifinal Boxscore from CNN.si and The Age (Melbourne): Following are key statistics from Andre Agassi's 6-4, 3-6, 6-7 (0-7), 7-6 (7-5), 6-1 semifinal win over Pete Sampras (Reuters) Agassi Sampras 1st serve (percentage) 68 63 Aces 13 37 Double faults 3 5 Winning % 1st serve 74 81 Winning % 2nd serve 68 49 Winners 52 86 Unforced errors 19 56 Break points converted 3 of 13 , 1 of 9 Net approaches won 19 of 26 , 71 of 122 Total points won 155 149 Source: Reuters The figures are the same as the ATP’s. Agassi-Kafelnikov, 2000 Australian Open final From CNN.SI: Following are key stats from Andre Agassi's 3-6, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4 win over Yevgeny Kafelnikov. Agassi Kafelnikov 1st serve (percentage) 66 53 Aces 9 14 Double faults 5 9 Winning % 1st serve 68 65 Winning % 2nd serve 59 53 Winners 38 53 Unforced errors 35 61 Break points converted 6 of 17 3 of 7 Net approaches won 9 of 12 32 of 52 Total points won 125 113 Source: Reuters The ATP stats agree with these. Sampras-Rafter, 2000 Wimbledon final From the Washington Post: The box score of No. 1 Pete Sampras's 6-7 (12-10), 7-6 (7-5), 6-4, 6-2 victory over No. 12 Patrick Rafter for the men's singles championship at Wimbledon: Sampras Rafter First Serve Pct. 62 57 Aces 27 12 Double Faults 12 8 Unforced Errors 79 55 First Serve Winning Pct. 89 75 Second Serve Winning Pct. 56 50 Winners (Inc. Service) 40 29 [these do not include service] Break Points 3-14 0-2 Net Approaches 28-49 39-93 Total Points 160 138 Time of Match: 2:52 The ATP has Sampras at 24 aces, and Rafter at 10 aces and 7 doubles. They have Sampras winning 161 points. And they disagree on first-serve percentages and success on first and second serve (but always disagreeing by two percentage points or less). Safin-Sampras, 2000 U.S. Open final Xinhua General News Service: Following are key statistics from Sunday's men's final at the U.S. Open in which sixth-seeded Russian Marat Safin beat fourth-seeded American Pete Sampras 6-4, 6-3, 6-3 SAMPRAS SAFIN Age 29 20 Seeding 4 6 First serve points won 38 of 50 34 of 40 Second serve points won 12 of 29 26 of 42 Aces 8 12 Double faults 4 2 Winners (including service) 32 37 Unforced Errors 25 12 Break point conversions 0-of-2 4-of-9 Net approaches won 43-of-82 5-of-12 Total points won 72 89 Time of match: 1:38 This lines up with the ATP in all categories. Ivanisevic-Rafter, 2001 Wimbledon final 6-3, 3-6, 6-3, 2-6, 9-7 This boxscore is from USA Today: Ivanisevic Rafter First-serve % 55 63 Aces 27 13 Double faults 16 4 Unforced errors 30 11 First serve winning % 81 77 Second serve winning % 51 56 Winners (including service) 42 49 Break points 3-6 3-6 Net points 38-70 49-70 Total points won 154 150 Time of match: 3:01 The ATP has Ivanisevic making 1 less double-fault and winning 1 more point overall. Sampras-Agassi, 2001 U.S. Open QF The Advertiser: PETE SAMPRAS d ANDRE AGASSI 6-7 (7-9), 7-6 (7-2), 7-6 (7-2), 7-6 (7-5) Match time: 3 hrs, 33 min. Sampras Agassi 62 First serve pc 65 25 Aces 18 12 Double faults 4 10 Forehand winners 20 12 Backhand winners 13 40 Unforced errors 19 0 of 6 Break point conversions 0 of 3 96 of 137 Pts won at net 12 of 21 176 Total points won 162 This lines up with the ATP in all categories. Hewitt-Sampras, 2001 U.S. Open final, 7-6 (4), 6-1, 6-1 New York Daily News: HEWITT SAMPRAS 1st Serve percentage 64 60 Aces 7 11 Double Faults 5 6 Unforced Errors 13 38 1st Serve Winning Pct. 84 63 2nd Serve Winning Pct. 50 43 Winners (inc. service) 36 35 Break Points 6-13 1-2 Net Points 8-8 49-98 Total Points Won 100 76 Time of Match 1:54 These figures match the ATP’s exactly, except that the ATP rounded all its figures down. Sampras-Agassi, 2002 U.S. Open final 6-3, 6-4, 5-7, 6-4 The New York Daily News: GRAPHIC: FINAL BREAKDOWN 1st Serve percentage 66 57 Aces 7 33 Double Faults 4 13 Unforced Errors 21 46 1st Serve Winning Pct. 67 80 2nd Serve Winning Pct. 53 52 Winners (inc. service) 27 84 Break Points 2-12 4-8 Net Points 10-13 60-105 Total Points Won 126 151 Time of Match 2:54 This lines up with the ATP in all categories. Agassi-Schuettler, 2003 Australian Open final USAToday.com: Agassi-Schuettler box score Andre Agassi (2) def. Rainer Schuettler (31), 6-2, 6-2, 6-1 Schuettler Agassi 1st Serve percentage 51 67 Aces 4 7 Double Faults 4 1 Unforced Errors 25 13 1st Serve Winning Pct. 58 74 2nd Serve Winning Pct. 28 74 Winners (including service) 16 30 Break Points 1-1 8-13 Net Points 12-16 11-14 Total Points Won 43 80 Time of Match 1:16 The ATP stats are no different. I haven't listed any more recent matches because I often see the ATP stats corresponding to stats on tournament websites. |
Edberg-Courier
Finally there’s this unique case. Here’s a match in which the aces and doubles were not counted twice, and there’s only a minor discrepancy in Total Points Won between the ATP and another source, but there are nevertheless significant discrepancies (first-serve percentage, success on first and second serve).
Edberg-Courier, 1991 U.S. Open final, 6-2, 6-4, 6-0 USA Today's boxscore: Edberg Courier 1st serve percentage 56 55 Service winners 1 0 Aces 3 3 Double faults 1 4 Pct. 1st serve points won 84 59 Pct. 2nd serve points won 69 38 Service games held 12 6 Winners 33 16 Unforced errors 18 20 Pct. break point conversions 43 0 Pct. advances to net 72 55 Points won at net 68 12 Total points won 96 61 Time of match 2:02 The ATP has Courier serving 10 percentage points higher than this, and Edberg is up by 4 points. In success on first serve, Courier is down 4 points, Edberg down 2. Less significantly, they have Edberg at 2 aces and Courier winning 59 points. The St. Petersburg Times and the Associated Press agree with USA Today that Edberg's success on first serve was 84%. So this match (see also Becker-Pioline above) suggests that there may be significant mistakes in the ATP database that have nothing to do with counting aces and df's twice. |
Ivanisevic vs. Krajicek and Norman
Ivanisevic-Krajicek, 1998 Wimbledon sf, 6-3, 6-4, 5-7, 6-7, 15-13.
That's 71 service games altogether, plus one tiebreak. But the ATP -- despite having the correct score -- reports only 64 service games. And they have the break points wrong, too. They've got Ivanisevic 3/3 on breakers, Krajicek 2/4. But the New York Times has Goran at 5 of 6: he broke three times in the first four sets (serving for the match in the fourth), and twice more in the fifth. In fact the ATP's break points look like they might be confined to the first four sets. Tennis Magazine (“Where Are the Big Guns?” by Jon Levey, August 2008 ): Quote:
Norman-Ivanisevic, 1997 Wimbledon, 2nd round, 6-3, 2-6, 7-6, 4-6, 14-12. That's 65 service games, plus one tiebreak. The ATP boxscore reports only 39 -- as if the 26 games of the fifth set had been dropped. The Dallas Morning News had a boxscore: Quote:
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Rusedski-Stark, 1997 Wimbledon, R64 (same day as Norman-Ivanisevic), 4-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-3, 11-9.
The ATP, for some reason, lists the fifth set as 11-9(5). The ATP reports only 53 service games, but in the scoreline (confirmed at The Independent) there are 61. |
Sampras-Korda, 1997 Wimbledon R16, 6-4, 6-3, 6-7, 6-7, 6-4
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