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Mike Cottrill 03-23-2005 04:43 PM

Alpha Apex and Prince Neos Owners:
 
Alpha Apex and Prince Neos Owners:

Have you strung racquets on both these machines? If so, how would you compare them?
Ease of use?
Quality (clamps, frame, etc)?
Other tangibles?

Thanks

rich s 03-23-2005 05:51 PM

I haven't strung on either of them,

but my question would be: why would you want a machine that is a 2 point mount and glide bar clamps when you can have a 6 point mounting with fully swivling clamps for the same price.

To me the Apex is the hands down winner based on features and Alpha reputation.

my $.02
rich

fedex27 03-23-2005 06:18 PM

i have a neos with a wise tension head and i love it. i like the two point it doesnt warp at all as long as you mount it correctectly. also i prefer the glide bars except for the fact that you have to change them from mains to crosses.

Mike Cottrill 03-23-2005 06:33 PM

rich s
They are both excellent machines and have their strong points. Iím sure they have their weakness too. Would you say that if the Neos was $400 less?

gstring21,
Thanks for you input. Yes, moving the bars is weakness. The machine I just looked at, one of the glide bars stuck some on the box frame. I assume the mounting brackets need adjusting time to time.

10s99 03-23-2005 08:20 PM

i've no experience w/ the apex - i've only strung on a neos. the neos is extremely fast and has never hurt a racket i've strung.

zeniththepinnacle 03-23-2005 09:16 PM

I have strung on the neos and I love the glide bar clamps. They are easy to move and they are single action clamps and also there is no drawback.
Mounting mechanism is a slight weakness? but on the other hand it works and dose not obstruct any grommetts.

I have no experience with the alpa apex.

Mr Hillix should be able to shed some light on the comparison.

rich s 03-24-2005 03:55 AM

Mike-
If the Neos was $400 less expensive I would recommend the Alpha Axis/Axis Pro or the Gamma 5003.

The features of the Neos are lacking in my opinion compared to other machines of similar price. While the Neos may be a fine machine that delivers consistantly, I think 2 pt mounting and glide bars are a thing of yesterday.

my other $.02
rich

Gaines Hillix 03-24-2005 08:05 AM

I've never strung on a Neos, but I do string quite a few frames with fan shaped string patterns, which can only be strung with flying clamps on a Neos. I also like the 6-point, full suspension frame mount on the Apex. It is very quick to mount the frame on(just as fast as the Neos from what I've heard) and it supports the frame better while providing easy access to the frame and string holes. The Wise tension head fits on the Apex or Neos, no advantage there. All else being equal and I didn't have a machine I'd buy the Apex. If I was on a budget I'd prefer the new Revo 4000(even though it's a table top) or Gamma 5003.

Mike Cottrill 03-24-2005 10:18 AM

Thanks Gaines,
The only reason I was considering the Neos in the first place was I walked into a local sports store to compare the Neos machine quality to the few Alpha machines I have seen. When I walked in the manager said they were getting out of the tennis business and wanted to know if I wanted to by their 18 month old machine that has less than 500 racquets strung on it for $800. I have not used the Neos either, but I hear many say it is one of the easiest crank type machines to use. It does not look like there are many folks out there that have strung on both machines.

What do you like better about the sensor clamps from the apex? Around here there are not many places that have Sensors to look at. Anyway, I canít justify the cost for that machine. Just curious to what you find better about the sensors clamps.

Thanks for you knowledge
Mike

bejo900 03-24-2005 12:56 PM

Mike,
I have an Ektelon Model H for sale for $500 plus shipping. I have the newer NEOS clamps. I have never had any problems with the two point mounting. If you don't string fan patterns you don't need swivel clamps. And if you are, my machine comes with a floating clamp. Email me at bman@gbis.com if interested.
bejo900

Gaines Hillix 03-24-2005 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Cottrill
Thanks Gaines,
The only reason I was considering the Neos in the first place was I walked into a local sports store to compare the Neos machine quality to the few Alpha machines I have seen. When I walked in the manager said they were getting out of the tennis business and wanted to know if I wanted to by their 18 month old machine that has less than 500 racquets strung on it for $800. I have not used the Neos either, but I hear many say it is one of the easiest crank type machines to use. It does not look like there are many folks out there that have strung on both machines.

What do you like better about the sensor clamps from the apex? Around here there are not many places that have Sensors to look at. Anyway, I canít justify the cost for that machine. Just curious to what you find better about the sensors clamps.

Thanks for you knowledge
Mike

Mike, the sensor clamps are the most rigid of any clamping system. They have magnetic bases. Basically, once the clamp is locked, it will not move at all. Most other clamping systems have a little movement in them.

Mike Cottrill 03-24-2005 01:14 PM

Thanks Gaines,
Do the clamp systems with the Axis Pro and the Apex move the same? I suppose as long as the movement is the same from frame strung 1 Ė 100000, you would get consistent results.
Mike

Gaines Hillix 03-25-2005 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Cottrill
Thanks Gaines,
Do the clamp systems with the Axis Pro and the Apex move the same? I suppose as long as the movement is the same from frame strung 1 Ė 100000, you would get consistent results.
Mike

They are the same clamps. They have very little movement and what they do have can be taken out by locking the clamp head on the string first and then pushing the base into the direction of the pull while locking the base.

Mike Cottrill 03-25-2005 07:11 AM

Thanks Gaines,
The Apex mount looks very close to the Sensor. Is the machine movement as smooth as the Sensor? PS, Mark has been very helpful.
Mike

Gaines Hillix 03-25-2005 07:25 AM

The basic design of the frame mount on the APEX is very similar to the Bab Star 3/4/Sensor. The machining and clearances on the Bab machines is probably better, but the finish and quality of the pieces on the Apex is very good too, especially considering the difference in cost.

Mike Cottrill 03-25-2005 07:33 AM

Gaines,
How is manual that comes with the machine? Is it as detailed as the ones Gamma has on line?
Thanks

Gaines Hillix 03-25-2005 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Cottrill
Gaines,
How is manual that comes with the machine? Is it as detailed as the ones Gamma has on line?
Thanks

I would rate the manual a 6 on a scale of 1-10. Adequate, but could be better. Not familiar with the Gamma manuals.

Mike Cottrill 03-25-2005 05:46 PM

Gaines,
When you strung on your drop weight, letís say 65 LBS. When you went to your lock out Axis Pro, did you have to make any adjustment on tension setting to get the same string bed tension you got with the drop weight?

Thanks
Mike

Gaines Hillix 03-26-2005 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Cottrill
Gaines,
When you strung on your drop weight, letís say 65 LBS. When you went to your lock out Axis Pro, did you have to make any adjustment on tension setting to get the same string bed tension you got with the drop weight?

Thanks
Mike

Mike, I made an adjustment of a 2-3 lbs. higher(5%) based on feedback from the best player I string for who is about a 5.0 player.

Mike Cottrill 03-26-2005 08:28 AM

Gaines,
Did you compare with a Stringmeter?


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