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roysid 09-24-2009 09:34 PM

Federer was playing better in 2008
 
Than he is is 2009.

chrisdaniel 09-24-2009 09:39 PM

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is this even debatable? I am really asking.

Kemitak 09-24-2009 09:42 PM

He was better when he still had mono?

roysid 09-24-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisdaniel (Post 3973835)
is this even debatable? I am really asking.

I guess so. Everyone's praising about Federer now whereas last year he was written off.

To me, he is playing at the same level or slightly decreased level than last year.
There was no Nadal to throw him away that he won French and Wimbledon.

chrisdaniel 09-24-2009 10:00 PM

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Uh, I am not a fanatic on Federer. So I could be wrong, but that can also mean I am not biased. Let's see, 2 grand slams. He got some good wins off of his biggest rivals. He made the final in all the slams this year. that's already better than the year before. But is he Actually playing better? I think so. In the end it does not matter since his year was better than the last one.

Yes, he is better in 09

chrisdaniel 09-24-2009 10:07 PM

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Besides, health is a part of the game. Just like the forehand, movement, and ball toss. Nadal had an injury, most injuries don't pick you out of thin air. Anyone with eyes can see Nadal plays a very taxing game to his knees. Now he is having a hard time. We can't say what if and lessen Feds year cause Nadal was having a reaction to years of his kind of play. Besides Federer did beat him right before the French. He was injured? I know, so if they met at the French it did not look good for Nadal anyways. Instead Fed played the guy who beat Nadal and took him out.

Yeah, 09, better.

Tsonga#1fan 09-24-2009 10:11 PM

I don't think more success=playing better. Anyone would admit Federer had a better year in '09, and that is what is important in the end. If the way Federer has played this year is any indication (a very poor spring hard court season) and some inconsistent play as of late, and the rising stars moving up, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a year in '10 nearly as well as either '08 or '09.

chrisdaniel 09-24-2009 10:14 PM

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so then answer me how you would know he is playing better on the year he lost more ? would love to know?

chrisdaniel 09-24-2009 10:18 PM

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As long as he stays focused and doesn't lose interest (which he might) I see no reason why he couldn't have another great year. At this point you should know what it is he wants? Slams.

But, judging by how he did not seemed bothered much with losing in the finals, I can see him backing off a little next year. but who knows.

Tsonga#1fan 09-24-2009 10:21 PM

I don't recall as many inconsistent results, such as a lackluster spring hard court season, and Federer at his absolute best I don't think would ever have let this U S Open final get away from him (not to take anything away from del Potro), and I certainly don't recall any occasions where he had such a complete meltdown as he did against Tsonga in Canada. Truth is, Nadal had a career year in '08 and Federer still had a terrific one himself even though he lost his Wimbledon crown to Nadal.

Leelord337 09-24-2009 10:22 PM

now he was playing better in 2004 and 05

Tsonga#1fan 09-24-2009 10:26 PM

I think Fed's peak was '04 to '07, but I was making a comparison to '08 and '09. The drop off will start to be quicker now.

veroniquem 09-25-2009 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsonga#1fan (Post 3973904)
I don't recall as many inconsistent results, such as a lackluster spring hard court season, and Federer at his absolute best I don't think would ever have let this U S Open final get away from him (not to take anything away from del Potro), and I certainly don't recall any occasions where he had such a complete meltdown as he did against Tsonga in Canada. Truth is, Nadal had a career year in '08 and Federer still had a terrific one himself even though he lost his Wimbledon crown to Nadal.

It is not totally obvious that Federer at his best would not have let the USO final get away. After all he did lose an epic match to Safin at AO during his best and a master cup final to Nalbandian.
To me, his game hasn't been at its best since 2007, it's more erratic and less precise, his movement has slightly declined as well but does it matter? He still scares the s--- out of his opponents and finds ways to beat them most of the time. But from a purely tennistic perspective, his "golden" years were 2004 to 2006. Personally, I would rate 2004 as my favorite even though resultwise his grand year was 2006.
I don't think there is a significant difference between 2008 and 2009, at least I can't see one. He did in 2009 what he would have done in 2008 if Nadal had been out of the way. I have no doubt that he would have won both RG and W in 2008 if Nadal had been MIA (although Djoko could have conceivably given him some trouble in the RG final). As for USO, he was a bit tired I think, he had played a lot and just won Cincy. Delpo was fresher.

Tsonga#1fan 09-25-2009 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 3974331)
It is not totally obvious that Federer at his best would not have let the USO final get away. After all he did lose an epic match to Safin at AO during his best and a master cup final to Nalbandian.
To me, his game hasn't been at its best since 2007, it's more erratic and less precise, his movement has slightly declined as well but does it matter? He still scares the s--- out of his opponents and finds ways to beat them most of the time. But from a purely tennistic perspective, his "golden" years were 2004 to 2006. Personally, I would rate 2004 as my favorite even though resultwise his grand year was 2006.
I don't think there is a significant difference between 2008 and 2009, at least I can't see one. He did in 2009 what he would have done in 2008 if Nadal had been out of the way. I have no doubt that he would have won both RG and W in 2008 if Nadal had been MIA. As for USO, he was a bit tired I think, he had played a lot and just won Cincy. Delpo was fresher.

You make a couple of good points. I don't think either year was as good as before 2007, but that wasn't the question on this thread. IMO, he looked very inconsistent throughout much of 2009, more than he has in the past.

hellonewman 09-25-2009 06:14 AM

Better in 2008 than 2009? Seriously?!

veroniquem 09-25-2009 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsonga#1fan (Post 3973918)
I think Fed's peak was '04 to '07, but I was making a comparison to '08 and '09. The drop off will start to be quicker now.

How is that? In 2008 he made 3 slam finals out of 4 and didn't win a single master, in 2009 he made all 4 slam finals and won 2 masters. Whatever drop there is in his game, it's slight, major drop off hasn't happened yet and there's no reason to think it will happen in the near future unless his back gets worse or his motivation deserts him.

big bang 09-25-2009 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kemitak (Post 3973838)
He was better when he still had mono?

everybody seems to be questioning Rafaīs injuries, but what about Fedīs mono???

JennyS 09-25-2009 06:26 AM

2009>2008.

Cesc Fabregas 09-25-2009 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JennyS (Post 3974377)
2009>2008.

Not really. In 08 he didn't have the luck of Nadal being injuried at RG and Wimbledon, he is playing the same really this year.

drakulie 09-25-2009 06:30 AM

Fed has played much better this year than last. His movement is much, MUCH better, and his play has been more precise.

As for his "mono" in 2008, who gives a hoot. At least he didn't get banned from playing a major like Nadal did this year, and still made 3 of 4 slam finals.


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