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leonidas1982 04-20-2010 06:29 PM

Best all-courter(s) by decade
 
60's: Rod Laver

70's: Bjorn Borg

80's: Boris Becker

90's: Pete Sampras

00's: Roger Federer (potential).

jrepac 04-20-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by leonidas1982 (Post 4581196)
60's: Rod Laver
70's: ?
80's: Boris Becker
90's: Pete Sampras
00's: Roger Federer

70s: Borg/Connors
80s: Connors/Wilander/Becker (3 yrs a piece, I'd say)
90s: Sampras
00s: Fed/Nadal

abmk 04-20-2010 07:05 PM

80s: becker
90s:sampras
2000s: federer

nadal - an all-courter ????? he is a baseliner. Period.

dmt 04-20-2010 08:27 PM

Maybe Agassi should be there for the 90's

abmk 04-20-2010 11:57 PM

all-courter != all-surface player !

both agassi and nadal are baseliners. Not all-courters

Nathaniel_Near 04-21-2010 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by abmk (Post 4581749)
all-courter != all-surface player !

both agassi and nadal are baseliners. Not all-courters

By your definition then both Agassi and Nadal are 'all-surface players' in that they were/are very capable of winning big titles on all the different kinds of surfaces.

There always tends to be some confusion with the term all-courter and I'm never quite entirely sure how people want to talk about it.

abmk 04-21-2010 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel_Near (Post 4581792)
By your definition then both Agassi and Nadal are 'all-surface players' in that they were/are very capable of winning big titles on all the different kinds of surfaces.

There always tends to be some confusion with the term all-courter and I'm never quite entirely sure how people want to talk about it.

yeah, there is some confusion at times.

But IMO, its quite simple, an all-courter is someone who is competent from all parts of the court and plays a decent amount from all parts. Of course it is tough to divide it equally. Usually a player is biased either towards net play or baseline play ....

All-surface player, well as is obvious , means a player who can play on all surfaces

yeah, agassi and nadal are all-surface players, agassi more so than nadal ( I'd like to see him beat someone of calibre at the USO )

thalivest 04-21-2010 04:40 AM

I think Agassi was an underrated grass courter, in large part since he too rarely brought his A-game to Wimbledon, but was a vastly overrated clay courter. His making 3 French Open finals was really an overachievement for him, it shouldnt have really happened. He got dream draws at each of the 1990, 1991, and 1999 French Opens. His only good wins were Chang in 1990 when Chang wasnt near his prime (his out of the blue 89 FO title notwithstanding) and Moya in 99. He didnt win his first Masters on clay until he was in his 30s. Also doesnt he have an equal head to head with Sampras on clay.

I think Nadal is probably better on fast hard courts than Agassi on clay but unfortunately he hasnt proven it at the U.S Open yet.

pc1 04-21-2010 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by abmk (Post 4581826)
yeah, there is some confusion at times.

But IMO, its quite simple, an all-courter is someone who is competent from all parts of the court and plays a decent amount from all parts. Of course it is tough to divide it equally. Usually a player is biased either towards net play or baseline play ....

All-surface player, well as is obvious , means a player who can play on all surfaces

yeah, agassi and nadal are all-surface players, agassi more so than nadal ( I'd like to see him beat someone of calibre at the USO )

I agree with your definition. I suppose, when you think about it that it is better to be an all surface player than an all court player.

theagassiman 04-22-2010 07:45 PM

70's: One man: Bjorn Borg.
He may have had a volley weakness, but on grass, the guy would just keep on coming. And of course on grass, his volley became deadly...

Then on clay, he would do the exact opposite and NEVER attack.

Never ever seen a more distinct player.

borg number one 04-22-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theagassiman (Post 4586872)
70's: One man: Bjorn Borg.
He may have had a volley weakness, but on grass, the guy would just keep on coming. And of course on grass, his volley became deadly...

Then on clay, he would do the exact opposite and NEVER attack.

Never ever seen a more distinct player.

Now that's profound.




leonidas1982 04-22-2010 08:23 PM

1960's: Rod Laver



1970's: Bjorn Borg



1980's: Boris Becker


leonidas1982 04-22-2010 08:45 PM

1990's: Pete Sampras




2000's: Roger Federer


mandy01 04-23-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by borg number one (Post 4586915)
Now that's profound.



That's a great pic.
Post more :evil:

heh..thanks Borg number one.

heftylefty 04-23-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jrepac (Post 4581219)
70s: Borg/Connors
80s: Connors/Wilander/Becker (3 yrs a piece, I'd say)
90s: Sampras
00s: Fed/Nadal

Wilander: Great Call!!

jrepac 04-23-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by heftylefty (Post 4588271)
Wilander: Great Call!!

everyone tends to overlook Mats...he could do it all, on every surface....

robow7 04-23-2010 12:32 PM

If we're talking about being able to construct a point from anywhere on a court, it's hard to leave out Connors from either the 70's or early 80's.

borg number one 04-23-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mandy01 (Post 4588228)
That's a great pic.
Post more :evil:

heh..thanks Borg number one.

You're welcome. Thank you. Borg knew his way around clay, as you can see Mandy01.

hoodjem 04-24-2010 04:49 PM

"All-courter" used to mean that one used all of the court (and was good in all areas of the court).

Now, it seems to mean that one can win on different surfaces ("all-surfacer"?).

Using the old meaning:
60's: Rod Laver
70's: Jimmy Connors
80's: Boris Becker
90's: Pete Sampras
00's: no one

Using the new meaning:
60's: Rod Laver
70's: Bjorn Borg
80's: Ivan Lendl
90's: Andre Agassi
00's: Roger Federer

volleynets 04-24-2010 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 4591873)
"All-courter" used to mean that one used all of the court (and was good in all areas of the court).

Now, it seems to mean that one can win on different surfaces ("all-surfacer"?).

Using the old meaning:
60's: Rod Laver
70's: Jimmy Connors
80's: Boris Becker
90's: Pete Sampras
00's: no one

Using the new meaning:
60's: Rod Laver
70's: Bjorn Borg
80's: Ivan Lendl
90's: Andre Agassi
00's: Roger Federer

I still think it means all court player in the sense of being able to play well from all parts of the court.


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