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Jonny S&V 07-15-2011 10:53 PM

Rip My Serve to Shreds :-)
 
Here it is, been working hard on getting my serve to match my rotator-cuff's trauma so it won't hurt it anymore, and here's what I've ended up with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36uo5tg0WY

I can already see a couple things to remedy (better tossing arm position in the trophy-phase and more consistent step-up with my right foot), but I want to see if anyone sees more problems.

NOTE: If anyone thinks my motion is still too fast, please refrain from saying so. If you think this motion is fast, you can see the progression of my serve from my senior year of high school to last November:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjeuBqX1WM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB-cYkjGQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWjNxhpn2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeDX7TKsukE

FearOfTheDark 07-15-2011 11:05 PM

Your serve reminds me of Dolgopolov :)

I kinda like it! :D

Larrysümmers 07-15-2011 11:23 PM

I have seen quite a few videos of people serving, and i have watched many people serve in person; however, i haven't seen a serve that good looking. Everything just flows, great knee bend and full arm extension, plus you end up pretty far in the court.
Also digging the head-wear!

Jonny S&V 07-15-2011 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FearOfTheDark (Post 5839514)
Your serve reminds me of Dolgopolov :)

I kinda like it! :D

I enjoy the complement, but I like to feel that my serve is slightly less sped-up (nowadays at least). :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larrysümmers (Post 5839520)
Also digging the head-wear!

It's the only thing that works anymore, haha. If I wear a hat, I have to tie it all back, otherwise it'll come from behind my ears and get in my eyes...

ATP100 07-16-2011 03:41 AM

When did you switch racquets?

Ben Hadd 07-16-2011 04:28 AM

Looks good and you have nice consistency with your shots it seems. I would say a little higher toss, but knowing what a bum shoulder can do, I don't toss very high anymore either. Maybe a little more wrist pop could add back some power?

dozu 07-16-2011 07:54 AM

this seems to be a show-off thread.... show the whole package bro, a match or some unedited hitting or something

who cares about your serve if it's already good.

Jonny S&V 07-16-2011 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATP100 (Post 5839670)
When did you switch racquets?

I used the M-Fil/AG 200 until my freshman year of college, then I used the Donnay Pro One International MP until this past March, where I tried my old AGs again and wondered why I switched. I was reduced to using one AG until May, when I got a player's package with Dunlop and got the Biomimetic 200s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dozu (Post 5839876)
this seems to be a show-off thread.... show the whole package bro, a match or some unedited hitting or something

who cares about your serve if it's already good.

I wish it was show-off thread, but if you think it's a show-off thread, I must be getting pretty good (gotta make you jealous y'know ;-) ), which means I'm going in the right direction. If I ever play a tournament match and remember to get someone to film it, you'll be the first to know.

mmeyer1 07-16-2011 10:08 AM

Hey dude, what brand toaster did u film this with?
:p lol jk nice looking serve, but wish the quality was better so I could see the action on the ball

fuzz nation 07-16-2011 10:52 AM

If you've got a repaired or mending shoulder, I think you could take some stress off it by getting your racquet up behind your head sooner. When the first move is to drop it below your waist as you wind into your motion, that racquet still has a loooooong way to go to get up to its set position before even being ready to release up to contact.

I think Fernando Gonzalez has a motion with a good example of this "straight to the trophy position" sort of windup. If you use a low toss, that drastically abbreviates your wind up time. No way will you get caught needing to catch up to your toss as long as the racquet goes straight to its firing position. Avoid that rush to the ball and you'll avoid lots of mechanical stress in your motion. You might even feel smoother and more "loaded up" if you can delay your toss by just a fraction of a second.

You've got a little back bend along with a little knee action in your windup, but if you want to take more heat off that shoulder, I'd recommend a more deliberate knee bend so that those big strong legs can make a bigger drive up through contact. Since you've got way more power in those legs than your arms or shoulders, go further in making them the primary drivers of that serve and that should take more stress off that shoulder, too.

Limpinhitter 07-16-2011 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonny S&V (Post 5839498)
Here it is, been working hard on getting my serve to match my rotator-cuff's trauma so it won't hurt it anymore, and here's what I've ended up with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N36uo5tg0WY

I can already see a couple things to remedy (better tossing arm position in the trophy-phase and more consistent step-up with my right foot), but I want to see if anyone sees more problems.

NOTE: If anyone thinks my motion is still too fast, please refrain from saying so. If you think this motion is fast, you can see the progression of my serve from my senior year of high school to last November:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjeuBqX1WM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB-cYkjGQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aWjNxhpn2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeDX7TKsukE

Beautiful service motion. Looks like a righty version of Neil Fraser. I wouldn't change a thing in that respect. The only thing I can think of that might be an issue in match play is to slow it down a bit at the beginning of your motion and gradually accelerate to contact. I suspect that, IF you have any consistency problems, it's due to the inevitable variations in your toss, balance, etc., inherent in a rushed swing. I also think you'll gain power by accelerating more gradually because the tension built up from the beginning of your swing can actually slow you down. Staying relaxed in the beginning can loosen you up and allow more racquet head speed.

maverick66 07-16-2011 05:10 PM

Cut your hair you hippy.

Jonny S&V 07-16-2011 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmeyer1 (Post 5840081)
Hey dude, what brand toaster did u film this with?
:p lol jk nice looking serve, but wish the quality was better so I could see the action on the ball

Yeah, I apologize for that, I spliced two videos together and needless to say, the program I use doesn't render very high quality vids. I use a RCA Small Wonder, which has very good quality, but for whatever reason, the program won't keep it in such quality. I might try to re-upload it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuzz nation (Post 5840145)
If you've got a repaired or mending shoulder, I think you could take some stress off it by getting your racquet up behind your head sooner. When the first move is to drop it below your waist as you wind into your motion, that racquet still has a loooooong way to go to get up to its set position before even being ready to release up to contact.

I think Fernando Gonzalez has a motion with a good example of this "straight to the trophy position" sort of windup. If you use a low toss, that drastically abbreviates your wind up time. No way will you get caught needing to catch up to your toss as long as the racquet goes straight to its firing position. Avoid that rush to the ball and you'll avoid lots of mechanical stress in your motion. You might even feel smoother and more "loaded up" if you can delay your toss by just a fraction of a second.

You've got a little back bend along with a little knee action in your windup, but if you want to take more heat off that shoulder, I'd recommend a more deliberate knee bend so that those big strong legs can make a bigger drive up through contact. Since you've got way more power in those legs than your arms or shoulders, go further in making them the primary drivers of that serve and that should take more stress off that shoulder, too.

I completely understand what you're saying, and that's something that I've been working on gradually (if you look at my first vid to this one, I feel the lag was way more pronounced).

Legs are definitely the next step, obviously my motion as it is doesn't take much energy in the least, but I should definitely be trying to keep my shoulder as healthy as possible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter (Post 5840160)
Beautiful service motion. Looks like a righty version of Neil Fraser. I wouldn't change a thing in that respect. The only thing I can think of that might be an issue in match play is to slow it down a bit at the beginning of your motion and gradually accelerate to contact. I suspect that, IF you have any consistency problems, it's due to the inevitable variations in your toss, balance, etc., inherent in a rushed swing. I also think you'll gain power by accelerating more gradually because the tension built up from the beginning of your swing can actually slow you down. Staying relaxed in the beginning can loosen you up and allow more racquet head speed.

Haha, you hit the nail on the head, that does happen during matches. The tighter a match gets, the faster my motion is. Something to work on for sure...

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick66 (Post 5840699)
Cut your hair you hippy.

Why you gotta be hatin' dude? You should be lovin' the hair, I could make it into a mullet and get superhuman powers regarding the TalkTennis hockey challenge. :P

tennisnoob3 07-16-2011 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maverick66 (Post 5840699)
Cut your hair you hippy.

i agree, he looks like will ferrell.

your service toss is too low.

USERNAME 07-16-2011 06:23 PM

Thats a nice simple and quick motion, doesnt look jerky at all. Bet it doesnt break down!

mad dog1 07-16-2011 06:29 PM

guga returns!!! definite resemblance to kuerten w/ the hairdo & bandana...

back on topic: serve looks awesome.

Jonny S&V 07-16-2011 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisnoob3 (Post 5840808)
your service toss is too low.

Not at all helpful...


Jonny S&V 07-16-2011 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USERNAME (Post 5840831)
Thats a nice simple and quick motion, doesnt look jerky at all. Bet it doesnt break down!

Not really, as long as I don't speed up, otherwise there's barely anytime between the toss and the hit, which can lead to some dumb missed serves...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mad dog1 (Post 5840845)
guga returns!!! definite resemblance to kuerten w/ the hairdo & bandana...

back on topic: serve looks awesome.

Thanks. The reason I'm growing my hair out is to donate it. Trust me, if I had a choice, I'd have extremely short hair. It was 93 deg with 90% humidity today, I was dying...

5263 07-16-2011 06:37 PM

Nice looking serve overall.
Main thing I would suggest is to work towards launching more up and slightly less forward in the overall motion.
Very good overall though.

Jonny S&V 07-16-2011 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5263 (Post 5840863)
Nice looking serve overall.
Main thing I would suggest is to work towards launching more up and slightly less forward in the overall motion.
Very good overall though.

I've been told this by a couple other people, but the main reason I want to be moving forward so much is to that I can get that extra step into net (S&Ver here, for the most part). :neutral:


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