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dman72 09-21-2011 09:58 AM

Dealing with a foot faulter in your league
 
So let's say you have a guy in your league who has both feet inside the baseline..on every serve. You notice this during warmup and when you see the guy playing on adjoining courts.

The guy is a good guy, not a jerk or a cheeser with line calls or anything..maybe he just has no idea that he starts with both feet behind the line, but after his toss both feet slide way over the line.

If he had a really weak serve it wouldn't matter, but his serve has become effective...it only clears that net by about 3 inches so that's another advantage he's gaining..that his flat hard serve with no margin for error probably wouldn't be clearing the net.

Plus, he's developing a serve and volley game and he's gaining half a step on this.

How do you go about addressing this without being a jerk...like bringing it up right before a match (gamey) right after a match (sore loser or winner). The first time I played him I actually took a few serves from his starting position and he didn't even get a racquet on them..trying to make a point. It didn't connect.

The last time I played this guy we split sets, so I'm hoping I win and then I might bring it up.

Swissv2 09-21-2011 10:25 AM

You could tell him he is foot faulting, and you may call him out on it if he does it all the time, but in the beginning just as a warning. Just gently mention that tougher players will definately call him out every single time - so he has to become more aware.

dman72 09-21-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Swissv2 (Post 6020565)
You could tell him he is foot faulting, and you may call him out on it if he does it all the time, but in the beginning just as a warning. Just gently mention that tougher players will definately call him out every single time - so he has to become more aware.

I guess the best way to bring it up is after a win so it doesn't just sound like sour grapes, not that it's going to be that easy because we are pretty much equal players. Of course, if he's getting tons of easy points off of his serve because he's 2 feet inside the line, losing is not going to be handled well by me. I'm 6 inches taller then him and my height advantage is partially or fully negated by those 2 feet he's stealing (not really sure of the physics) :D .

roman40 09-21-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dman72 (Post 6020522)
So let's say you have a guy in your league who has both feet inside the baseline..on every serve. You notice this during warmup and when you see the guy playing on adjoining courts.
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I used to foot fault a lot (one foot), by a 1-3 inches, until one of the players in the club that I play with regularly mentioned it to me. He also gave me a tip, just start a few inches further back. It worked beautifully, and I was grateful for the help. I actually asked him to tell me every time he sees me foot fault. I think if you are polite about it, you won't have any issues, and he might actually thank you for it. Just let him know that you don't really care, but someone else might, especially if he plays USTA leagues or tournaments, so it's better to try to fix it during practice or a friendly game.

MethodTennis 09-21-2011 02:30 PM

I would ignore it.

Ive only ever mentioned a foot fault to anyone once after i was getting ****ed at not being able to get this guys serve back. He would start with his feet millimetres behind the line. step into the court 6 inches or more. Jump forward and land before ever contacting the ball he was probably 16/18 inches inside the line before he hit the ball. Never happened since i mentioned it, but unless you feel its putting you at a serious disadvantage then just ignore it

JoelDali 09-21-2011 04:39 PM

Foot faulting is like masterbedroom. Eveyone does it.

Tar Heel Tennis 09-21-2011 04:50 PM

Why don't you record his serve, then send him the video? Simply explain to him that he foot faults consistently, and provide him with evidence.

It sounds like he is an honest player, and may not know that he is gaining an advantage with his service technique.

Good luck, and please let us know the results.

TennisDawg 09-21-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tar Heel Tennis (Post 6021172)
Why don't you record his serve, then send him the video? Simply explain to him that he foot faults consistently, and provide him with evidence.

It sounds like he is an honest player, and may not know that he is gaining an advantage with his service technique.

Good luck, and please let us know the results.

Sorry, this seems a little xtreme! Recording him while he's serving! Would you let him know he is being recorded or just catch him off guard? Evidence, are you taking him to court (pardon the pun). That would go over like a lead ballon..pardon the cliche.

Tar Heel Tennis 09-21-2011 05:42 PM

does your cell phone have video capability? how difficult/intrusive is it to record someone foot faulting?

showing the player video evidence carries a lot more weight than simply saying, "dude, you're footfaulting!"

Fedace 09-21-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dman72 (Post 6020522)
So let's say you have a guy in your league who has both feet inside the baseline..on every serve. You notice this during warmup and when you see the guy playing on adjoining courts.

The guy is a good guy, not a jerk or a cheeser with line calls or anything..maybe he just has no idea that he starts with both feet behind the line, but after his toss both feet slide way over the line.

If he had a really weak serve it wouldn't matter, but his serve has become effective...it only clears that net by about 3 inches so that's another advantage he's gaining..that his flat hard serve with no margin for error probably wouldn't be clearing the net.

Plus, he's developing a serve and volley game and he's gaining half a step on this.

How do you go about addressing this without being a jerk...like bringing it up right before a match (gamey) right after a match (sore loser or winner). The first time I played him I actually took a few serves from his starting position and he didn't even get a racquet on them..trying to make a point. It didn't connect.

The last time I played this guy we split sets, so I'm hoping I win and then I might bring it up.

I am confused........Does he start with both feet inside the line or does he jump in as he serves with both feet ??????

Fedace 09-21-2011 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JoelDali (Post 6021156)
Foot faulting is like masterbedroom. Eveyone does it.

I couldn't agree with this more. Even the guys you think isn't footfaulting does foot fault about 10-20 % of the time. You just didn't notice it because they don't do it often like this guy. Even if you touch the line with your Toes only, it is just as much Foot fault as if you jump in with both feet before you strike the ball.

prgault 09-22-2011 05:55 AM

There are a few of us that have been playing in the local center's quad league for @ 15 years, and one of the long timers apprached me last year to tell me that lately I had been foot faulting routinely. No angst or drama, just said it, I said ok and now back up a a few inches when serving...no problem, in fact I think it helped me refocus on what I was doing overall when serving.

P_

MethodTennis 09-22-2011 09:37 AM

How many points do you think this extra few inches causes the guy to win, do you think. The one guy I complained to I would have said it was regularly helping him hold serve

spot 09-22-2011 11:19 AM

There should be a follow up thread for "how to deal with 'that guy' who feels compelled to call footfaults"

dman72 09-22-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fedace (Post 6021286)
I am confused........Does he start with both feet inside the line or does he jump in as he serves with both feet ??????

He starts with both feet behind the line, his toss is forward into the court, he first slides his front foot at least 6 inches into the court, then slides his back foot into the court into a platform stance, then jumps into the serve.


I would say that it doesn't give an advantage, but I did the same thing to him twice in a previous match (to prove a point to him and myself), and both serves were aces that he didn't even move to get...where he responded "whoah, great serve". You bet it was!!

I was able to hit so much more down on the ball and still have it land in, it was ridiculous. It probably felt to him like I put 10MPH more on my serve. I'm 6'1 and I imagined this is what it must be like to be 6'6 with your serve. Likewise, he's 5'5 or 5'6.

Baxter 09-22-2011 03:47 PM

I really don't care or notice, but they usually get nailed when they get to regionals.

Fedace 09-22-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dman72 (Post 6022919)
He starts with both feet behind the line, his toss is forward into the court, he first slides his front foot at least 6 inches into the court, then slides his back foot into the court into a platform stance, then jumps into the serve.


I would say that it doesn't give an advantage, but I did the same thing to him twice in a previous match (to prove a point to him and myself), and both serves were aces that he didn't even move to get...where he responded "whoah, great serve". You bet it was!!

I was able to hit so much more down on the ball and still have it land in, it was ridiculous. It probably felt to him like I put 10MPH more on my serve. I'm 6'1 and I imagined this is what it must be like to be 6'6 with your serve. Likewise, he's 5'5 or 5'6.

simple solution. As soon as the front foot slides inside the line, say Footfault before even he can get slide his back foot inside. This will let him know that he is definitely footfaulting even before he gets into the swing.

NoQuarter 09-23-2011 08:25 AM

Tell his Teaching Pro or Captain....

dman72 09-23-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NoQuarter (Post 6024488)
Tell his Teaching Pro or Captain....

Some of his USTA teamates already know and I think may have mentioned it.

onehandbh 09-23-2011 09:31 AM

Hard to say what kind of a reaction you might get.
The guy could thank you for pointing it out, or
act like Kobe getting whistled for traveling (for palming the ball) on a
time-expiring game-winning dunk.


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