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krosero 09-22-2011 06:42 PM

Mac and Connors at Wembley '81
 
Some terrific backcourt rallies here, and an extraodinary oncourt interview with Connors after the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHgAk...eature=related
(Check out the confrontation between Mac and Connors at 6:59)

Second part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTjW...eature=related

Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUnG...eature=related

BTURNER 09-23-2011 06:32 AM

wonderful stuff, krosero. isn't there a proactive duty on the part of the player to verbally inform the empire that he needs an injury timeout? Why should an empire have to guess when/if to start the 3 minutes?

juan guzman 09-23-2011 07:30 AM

Fantastic match Krosero.

Mac played too much from the baseline.Thats not his game against Connors.At the masters 82 he played the same way but Connors was flat at that match.Mac won 6-2 7-5

thor's hammer 09-23-2011 08:07 AM

Fantastic tennis - what a great match! Thanks for posting!

My, how things have changed (or not)...

I can't understand why Connors didn't simply retire after losing the first two sets?! What's up with that??

Also, starting at about 4:45 in the second clip Mac's giving the chair ump grief for pushing him to play on after he twisted his ankle during the previous game. Mac says "I always go around faking...I just quit...pretend like I'm faking injuries just to save points."

Gee...what a concept! ;-)

pc1 09-23-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krosero (Post 6023537)
Some terrific backcourt rallies here, and an extraodinary oncourt interview with Connors after the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHgAk...eature=related
(Check out the confrontation between Mac and Connors at 6:59)

Second part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTjW...eature=related

Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUnG...eature=related

What an interview by Connors! Interesting. Haven't checked out the match yet.

Datacipher 09-23-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pc1 (Post 6025260)
What an interview by Connors! Interesting. Haven't checked out the match yet.

The master of control and manipulation! All the things he purposely did to Mac: paint him as the bad one, paint him as the immature one, paint himself as the elder statesman....but he refused to acknowledge if for the interviewer because he knew how bad it would sound!

BTURNER 09-23-2011 05:33 PM

For Jimmy gamesmanship is as much a part of the sport as a lob or a forehand. Winning that battle goes a long way toward winning it all.

Datacipher 09-23-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BTURNER (Post 6025443)
For Jimmy gamesmanship is as much a part of the sport as a lob or a forehand. Winning that battle goes a long way toward winning it all.

LOL. Yes, well of course the irony is that the crowd is thinking, what a mature gentleman and sportsman....standing up for John.....

Mcenroe is thinking: what a colossal hypocrite!!!! What a faker!!! Now the fans love him even more!!! Here we go again!!!

Mustard 09-23-2011 05:50 PM

I have this match on DVD. What sticks in my mind were the embarrassing umpiring errors in this match, the worst ones being:

1. The umpire called the score 15-15 when it should have been 30-0. The players didn't correct the umpire, and when Connors thought he'd won a love game, the umpire was calling out "40-15". Connors says, "that's game, mate".

2. Connors (the server) wins the first point of a game, only for the umpire to call out "0-15" and not even realise his error until Connors embarrassed him. "Play on, Mr. Connors", "What's the score, mate?", "0-15", "How do you figure that?", LOLs from audience.

3. McEnroe twists his ankle and tries to shake off some of the pain during a game by shaking his ankle in the air. The umpire then goes "play on please, Mr. McEnroe. Play on." McEnroe then gave the umpire a rollicking at the change of ends saying that he was entitled to a 3 minute medical timeout and that telling him to "play on" just made things worse. McEnroe said to the umpire that he obviously had no clue as to what the rules were.

And yes, that interview with Connors and Barry Davies at the end :lol:

BTURNER 09-23-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Datacipher (Post 6025463)
LOL. Yes, well of course the irony is that the crowd is thinking, what a mature gentleman and sportsman....standing up for John.....

Mcenroe is thinking: what a colossal hypocrite!!!! What a faker!!! Now the fans love him even more!!! Here we go again!!!

Which in Connors mind just made him the winner of the gamesmanship competition and give him a leg up on the next match!

Mustard 09-23-2011 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Datacipher (Post 6025463)
LOL. Yes, well of course the irony is that the crowd is thinking, what a mature gentleman and sportsman....standing up for John.....

Mcenroe is thinking: what a colossal hypocrite!!!! What a faker!!! Now the fans love him even more!!! Here we go again!!!

McEnroe so envied Connors' ability to have the crowd in the palm of his hands. McEnroe could only dream of such a thing. Connors even told the crowd at one point "it would be a lot better if you would just shut the hell up and let us play", and the crowd applauded him. Had McEnroe done that, he'd have heard a crescendo of boos and hisses.

BTURNER 09-23-2011 07:22 PM

Yea, Connors was a royal____ much of the time, a clown some of the time, but he is still my favorite male player to watch play the game. A great tactician with an instinct for when to take risks, his gamesmanship never replaced his technical mastery, his shotmaking or his tennis but augmented them. Tennis was never a dreary sport, when he played it.

Cuculain 10-07-2011 07:05 AM

Connors resurgence
 
What a fantastic match..continuing Connors resurgence in the 80s. He blew Borg off the court for the first 2 sets of his semi at Wimbledon that year before succumbing to his tenacity in 5..he then went on the beat Mac at queens and Wimbledon in 82 and Lendl at the USOpen in 82 and 83..playing great tennis right upto 84..

kiki 10-31-2011 09:35 AM

Great to pull it up.And also, great to pull up the 1978 USO Final, when Iceman and Blue Collar showed that great things would happen when pitted against each other, no matter who won the match.

subban 11-01-2011 10:05 AM

@cuculain:

Connors was consistently in the top 5 till '87, getting to semis of gs and winning atp tournaments. I know he did get to semis of us open in '91 but that was more of a fluke and his ranking was'nt all that high.

jrepac 11-01-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by subban (Post 6092526)
@cuculain:

Connors was consistently in the top 5 till '87, getting to semis of gs and winning atp tournaments. I know he did get to semis of us open in '91 but that was more of a fluke and his ranking was'nt all that high.

Connors was winning tournaments as late as 1989 when he was 37. What really derailed him was in early 1990 when his wrist blew out. He pretty much lost the entire year, eventually getting surgery and then rehabbing for his 1991 "comeback"...no events won, but some pretty gripping matches at the FO and USO that year from him, no question.

krosero 11-29-2012 07:14 PM

Don't know where else to post this, but Connors apparently burst to into tears in a postmatch ceremony upon hearing of the death of a friend. He had just beaten Rosewall in the final at North Conway, '75:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...4899%2C3126694
(scroll down to "Connors trounces Rosewall")

another article:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=4760%2C83762

Goosehead 11-29-2012 10:26 PM

mcenroe ended up with 19 masters titles..

two sets up here..coulda/woulda/shoulda been masters title no 20,

still you know how it is with jimmy..if you wanna win, youve gotta win completely,

because even 2 sets down vs the at the time world no1..connors could still detect LARGE QUANTITIES OF WIN IN HIS SECTOR. :)

Rozroz 11-30-2012 07:29 AM

so what did Mcenroe do when the match was over while the interview took place? he just went off the court?

comeback 12-01-2012 05:20 PM

Great videos and interview. Connors and Mac were Ali/Frazier.They needed each other to make it work.Tennis and tension at it's best. I am a huge Connors fan..But how did Rosewall keep making it to finals,, WOW Impressive


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