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goober 09-29-2011 09:56 AM

Have you ever kicked someone off your team midseason?
 
or do you prefer to just play them very little and not invite them back the next season? If you did kick someone off your team midseason- how did it turnout and did you later regret it?

goran_ace 09-29-2011 10:12 AM

No experience with that myself, but it has happened at my club. Usually people are pretty tolerant about losses, not being available to play, etc. as long as the person is somewhat reliable and/or nice. On the men's side, being a no-show for matches is the way to get booted - they don't care if you're a jerk as long as you show up to play when you are supposed to. On the women's side it's a lot more complicated and you'll hear of gossip/arguments between team members that just turn ugly and can result in someone getting booted or otherwise left out in the cold.

Cindysphinx 09-29-2011 02:03 PM

Hmmm. I can't think of a time when I have kicked someone off the team. It may have happened, but nothing is coming to mind. I think I would only do that for blatant lateness/no-show, failure to pay court fees, etc.

I have had at least one player leave by mutual agreement (meaning they stormed off in a huff and I didn't beg them to stay). The lady in question was difficult to play with. The walls were closing in on me as I tried many different partners and none worked out. Finally, I paired her with the single most delightful player on the team, and even that lady couldn't deal with her.

I tried to counsel the player and tell her to change some things about her on-court conduct, and she chose to leave instead.

I certainly will exercise the right to use someone less if they are creating problems of any sort. My ladies are awesome, so this hardly ever happens.

tennis tom 09-29-2011 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6035672)
or do you prefer to just play them very little and not invite them back the next season? If you did kick someone off your team midseason- how did it turnout and did you later regret it?

This sounds like a good one, could you please elaborate on the circumstances?

OrangePower 09-29-2011 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6035672)
or do you prefer to just play them very little and not invite them back the next season? If you did kick someone off your team midseason- how did it turnout and did you later regret it?

Practically speaking, what does it mean to kick someone off the team? I've had a player who didn't turn up at all for a match; we had some words afterwords and I told him point blank that he's not going to play for the team again. But technically he stayed on the team since I didn't have him removed in tennislink.

kelkat 09-30-2011 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by goran_ace (Post 6035708)
.... On the men's side, being a no-show for matches is the way to get booted - they don't care if you're a jerk as long as you show up to play when you are supposed to. On the women's side it's a lot more complicated and you'll hear of gossip/arguments between team members that just turn ugly and can result in someone getting booted or otherwise left out in the cold.


OT, but this reminded me of something I heard and I think it's pretty spot on --
Men are like waffle boxes -- they keep things compartmentalized and separate from each other; they keep work stuff separate from tennis stuff separate from family life separate from.... etc etc.
Women, on the other hand, are like plate of spaghetti --- anything effects everything as each is entangled and complexly woven together throughout.

goober 09-30-2011 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tennis tom (Post 6036278)
This sounds like a good one, could you please elaborate on the circumstances?

He started out on the wrong foot by greatly exaggerating his tennis background and ability. He didn't just give me a wild guess of a self rating, he told me specifics about college playing, tournaments, ect. He generally has a bad attitude. When he loses a match (which is often) he walks off in a huff and doesn't talk to anyone. He doesn't participate in practices, does not go out with the team after matches. All of this is not grounds for not playing him. I could deal with all of this stuff.

Final straw was telling via email that he was not showing up for a match a couple hours before the match. The reason was not an emergency and a forseeable circumstance. He left me scrambling trying to find someone that late forcing me to spend time at work calling numerous people. I finally got someone to play- but he was a guy that hadn't signed up for the team so I had to sign him up and pay his registration fee. He never apologized and treated the whole thing as no big deal.

cknobman 09-30-2011 07:01 AM

We have unofficially kicked someone off the team before midseason.

By unofficially I mean that we did not schedule that person for another match the entire season, include them on any team emails, and invite them back for the next season.

They got the message :)

lostinamerica 09-30-2011 08:09 AM

I was once unofficially kicked off. Our captain wanted me to get a guy I knew who was way out of level to play for us. He could legitimately self rate. I asked the player and my captain got mad when I could not get a ringer to play. Oddly, that Captain asked me to come back again and approached my friend to play even though I respectfully declined. My friend was absolutely despises this captain. My ex-captain does not have the best reputation in the area.

J_R_B 09-30-2011 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6035672)
or do you prefer to just play them very little and not invite them back the next season? If you did kick someone off your team midseason- how did it turnout and did you later regret it?

Do you have roster limits and if so, do you need that spot? If not, I wouldn't officially kick someone off, I'd just take their name off the email distribution and make lineups without them and not tell them about it.

g4driver 09-30-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6037278)
Final straw was telling via email that he was not showing up for a match a couple hours before the match. The reason was not an emergency and a forseeable circumstance. He left me scrambling trying to find someone that late forcing me to spend time at work calling numerous people. I finally got someone to play- but he was a guy that hadn't signed up for the team so I had to sign him up and pay his registration fee. He never apologized and treated the whole thing as no big deal.

He would be benched for the season on my team and he wouldn't play for my team again. I have more players on my team than I need, and have turned down half a dozen players in the past few weeks to protect the playing team of my players. The last thing I need is a guy who doesn't care about the other guys on the team.

Things happen that are unavoidable and that's understandable. We all find ourselves in a jam every now and then. It's called life. But when someone tells you they will be there, then you get an email telling you he's not coming, he needs to understand this: you are better without him.

This past spring, I had a weak 3.5 player go 1-5 in doubles. If he loses he always blames his partner. He is simply a weak player, who doesn't bring much to the team other than baggage. I was just going to not sent him a team invite, but another player who rarely plays due to his work sent him the team number. :(

I call the guy and tell him I expect him to show for practices. Practice One: The guy shows for one practice, plays one set, then tries to leave. I tell him that 11 guys showed up planning to hit three sets of doubles per my team email, including my singles players who like to practice in doubles since they play a lot of singles. He stayed for three sets although not happy. Last week he no-shows a practice leaving 11 guys on three courts, all of them expecting to play three sets of doubles each. He called me at 4 pm telling me he would be there. At 640pm, now ten minutes late, I call him to learn he's not coming. He simply say "I'm not going to make it tonight." I got a player from another team to hit with us by 7 PM. I was angry and told my team what was happening. He offered no excuse. I didn't need to hear one. But I did tell him if he knew at 6pm he wasn't going to make it, he should have called me at 601 PM. I didn't even give this guy this my team number. He got it from one of the other guys on the team who is rarely in town due to work.

He got the number joined the team, then no-shows me last Monday, then asked me to put him in the lineup for this week. I sent an email to the entire team including him with the lineup. Do you think he was on my lineup?

He will not be in my lineups until he calls me, or see me in person and addresses his no-show. If he plays for me this season, it will be on a court that I don't care if I win or lose, with another guy that my players don't enjoy hitting with as their partners.

I don't condone nor reward bad behavior. I do hold people accountable for their poor actions, not for their poor play. He brings nothing to my team but extra work. He brought this on himself. He is one the bottom 2 guys on my team. We don't need boat anchors or drag.

Just my take on your guy and my plan to get rid of two players that bring nothing positive to our team.

wao 09-30-2011 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6035672)
or do you prefer to just play them very little and not invite them back the next season? If you did kick someone off your team midseason- how did it turnout and did you later regret it?

Goober, you want to kick me off the team :(.. "He started out on the wrong foot by greatly exaggerating his tennis background and ability. He didn't just give me a wild guess of a self rating, he told me specifics about college playing, tournaments, ect. He generally has a bad attitude. When he loses a match (which is often) he walks off in a huff and doesn't talk to anyone. He doesn't participate in practices, does not go out with the team after matches. All of this is not grounds for not playing him. I could deal with all of this stuff." Don't play him and definately don't invite him back next season.
WAO

goober 09-30-2011 03:29 PM

haha- are you looking for a team? I wouldn't kick you off. You have a good attitude:)

dennis10is 10-01-2011 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6035672)
or do you prefer to just play them very little and not invite them back the next season? If you did kick someone off your team midseason- how did it turnout and did you later regret it?

We have a formal ritual borrowed from Star Trek when we want to expel a team member. The ritual is based on the Klingon discommodation ritual. Instead of weapons we hit our soon to be ex-team member with our racket as they walk by us in the walk of shame.

I usally go for the knee caps to ensure that they will never play tennis again,except in a wheel chair. The Men's 1.0 Renegade league is tough.

Caesar 10-01-2011 07:20 PM


dennis10is 10-01-2011 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Caesar (Post 6040100)

Those SWAT guys won't have a chance.

wao 10-10-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by goober (Post 6038208)
haha- are you looking for a team? I wouldn't kick you off. You have a good attitude:)

Actually I want to start playing more. So next season if you need a player let me know or if you know of another team that would be awesome. You should come for out Thursday night hit with Josh if you can.
W


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