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Sid_Vicious 10-29-2011 01:52 PM

Borg vs Mcenroe 1980 Wimbledon Final-Quality highlights
 
Finally! A high quality highlight reel.

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-BwXwUzMLo

krosero 10-29-2011 07:36 PM

So nice to see this match condensed into a good highlight reel.

Datacipher 10-29-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by krosero (Post 6088536)
So nice to see this match condensed into a good highlight reel.

Yes, but conventional TW wisdom is right...you just couldn't find the angles they do today with those wooden racquets ;-)

krosero 10-29-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Datacipher (Post 6088562)
Yes, but conventional TW wisdom is right...you just couldn't find the angles they do today with those wooden racquets ;-)

Watching the match this way I found the players more athletic than I had remembered from the last time I watched it, which was a couple of years ago. Their bursts of speed in particular, I had largely forgotten.

Nathaniel_Near 10-29-2011 10:33 PM

Nice, but I DON'T UNDERSTAND why people stretch the original aspect ratios so much to the extent where everything in the image looks clearly unnaturally wide.

What a match.

Nathaniel_Near 10-29-2011 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by krosero (Post 6088568)
Watching the match this way I found the players more athletic than I had remembered from the last time I watched it, which was a couple of years ago. Their bursts of speed in particular, I had largely forgotten.

A small amount of this will be due to the unnatural aspect ratio which will give a slightly greater impression of speed. However, I do not disagree with you.


I've been saying that the movement of players from older times isn't really inferior to now. Nowadays players recover their position with more urgency probably because they know they actually have a realistic chance of getting the next ball which has a much, much higher chance of sitting up. Also, they would know that their technology would give them good chances to do something useful with the ball by the time they get there.

It would be interesting if somebody could conduct a study on distances covered on court and time taken to get there, because unless my eyes deceive me, these players move just as fast as todays. They are less bulky as well, which at times makes them look actually more nimble and 'quick' than today's players.

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It should also be noted that both Borg and McEnroe have a much greater technique and willingness to transfer their weight forward through the serve in order to potentially get to the net, so their speed and explosion used in order to arrive to an advanced and correct net position is clearly superior to today.

Strength, power, fitness perhaps have all been forcibly improved, because they are required more given the current circumstances of the game; nutrition and training regimes have improved across the board (note that this isn't talking about tennis specific talent, just generic athletic capacity). But, the increased bulk of the players might equalise the speed factor. I seriously see no difference at all in the speed and explosiveness of the players between now and the 00's or 90's or 80's or 70's or perhaps even really 60's.

Does anybody else have these same impressions regarding the speed of tennis players at least at the top of the game? I would be interested to hear, seeing as speed is something that can be measured quite independently from technological changes, with the only factor being somewhat improved footwear and having to hold slightly lighter rackets now.

Nathaniel_Near 10-31-2011 12:56 PM

Surely somebody has some thoughts on this.

borg number one 11-02-2011 07:58 PM

Epic tennis. Perhaps one day we'll be able to pull up a host of matches from the 70's forward, in this way. Thanks very much Sid!



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