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timnz 03-20-2012 08:56 PM

Currently what are the slowest/fastest hardcourt on the tour?
 
I am speaking of outdoor hard courts.

For slowest - My Pick would be the Australian Open, but could it be Miami? (there are rumours going that it is faster this year but generally Miami is very slow).

For fastest - It would be Cincinatti I think. (Not that it is fast by 80/90's standards but the fastest of the current hard courts).

What are people's thoughts?

OddJack 03-20-2012 08:58 PM

Fastest is Dubai and USO

monfed 03-20-2012 09:06 PM

Generally(slowest to quickest) -

Miami
IW
AO
Toronto
Shanghai
Cincy

timnz 03-20-2012 09:07 PM

US Open
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by monfed (Post 6411322)
Generally(slowest to quickest) -

Miami
IW
AO
Toronto
Shanghai
WTF
Bercy
Cincy

Note in 2010, Bercy was the quickest hands down, it was unbelievable actually. The way AO played this year, it might take the slowest prize.

Where do you place the US Open?

monfed 03-20-2012 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 6411323)
Where do you place the US Open?

The way it played last year, new list(added Dubai)-

Miami
AO
IW
USO
Toronto/Montreal
Shanghai
Dubai*
Cincy

*Dubai,Cincy might switch places the way Dubai played this year,let's see. Excluded indoors since you mentioned Outdoors in the OP.

PS - Judging from last year Toronto/Montreal and USO are close. Generally USO plays faster than Toronto though.

tennis_pro 03-20-2012 09:37 PM

I've got a question for those who've been following tennis for a longer time,
what was the speed of Dubai, Miami, AO, IW, USO, Toronto/Montreal, Shanghai, Cincinnati in the 90's compared to 2011/2012?

Bartelby 03-20-2012 09:37 PM

Miami and IW - humid versus dry air - what difference does this make as the courts might actually be similar.

Bobby Jr 03-20-2012 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monfed (Post 6411333)
Miami
AO
IW
USO
Toronto/Montreal
Shanghai
Dubai*
Cincy

*Dubai,Cincy might switch places the way Dubai played this year,let's see. Excluded indoors since you mentioned Outdoors in the OP.

Yeah... I agree. Let's see how Miami plays. I doubt it'll be slower than the Aussie Open.

Also - I felt at times like IW wasn't all that quick but at other times it seemed much quicker. That says to me the balls were changing in their characteristics more with the heat/humidity/air pressure rather than simply being a surface thing.

pvaudio 03-20-2012 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bartelby (Post 6411365)
Miami and IW - humid versus dry air - what difference does this make as the courts might actually be similar.

If the courts are the same, then IW would be faster. Humidity wreaks havoc on "court" speed.

monfed 03-20-2012 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr (Post 6411383)
Yeah... I agree. Let's see how Miami plays. I doubt it'll be slower than the Aussie Open.

Hope it plays like IW if not faster.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Jr (Post 6411383)
Also - I felt at times like IW wasn't all that quick but at other times it seemed much quicker. That says to me the balls were changing in their characteristics more with the heat/humidity/air pressure rather than simply being a surface thing.

Hmm ok.

SystemicAnomaly 03-20-2012 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 6411364)
I've got a question for those who've been following tennis for a longer time,
what was the speed of Dubai, Miami, AO, IW, USO, Toronto/Montreal, Shanghai, Cincinnati in the 90's compared to 2011/2012?

The Shanghai Masters 1000, as such, is a recent development. In its present incarnation it's been played since 2009.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/T.../Shanghai.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangha...ennis)#History

The Dubai tournament has been around since the mid 90s. Sorry, Don't know the relative speeds.

Nathaniel_Near 03-20-2012 11:35 PM

From what my eyes have told me in recent times:

Miami
AO*
IW

Shanghai
USO
Toronto/Montreal

Dubai* = Cincy

Could be wrong, though.


* = based on 2012 speeds; rest are 2011.

Rhino 03-21-2012 12:16 AM

This was how it looked in 2007:

http://www.tennisform.com/default.as...=Desc&sort=GPS

joeri888 03-21-2012 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhino (Post 6411529)

Rotterdam was slowed down.

By teh way, GPS only tells you how hard it is to break. I think for instance the low bounce on grass makes a serve often hard to return, even if the court is slow.

mattennis 03-21-2012 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennis_pro (Post 6411364)
I've got a question for those who've been following tennis for a longer time,
what was the speed of Dubai, Miami, AO, IW, USO, Toronto/Montreal, Shanghai, Cincinnati in the 90's compared to 2011/2012?

Indian Wells and Miami have always been (possibly) the two slowest outdoor hardcourts.

AO with rebound ace was maybe a bit faster than IW and Miami, but still quite slow and high bouncing.

Cincinatti and USO were clearly faster than IW, Miami and AO.

The speed depends on many things: the weather, balls, how they resurface it each year,....


Dubai this year has been possibly the fastest outdoor hardcourt conditions I've seen in some years.

mikeler 03-21-2012 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvaudio (Post 6411409)
If the courts are the same, then IW would be faster. Humidity wreaks havoc on "court" speed.


We are still in the dry season here in Florida.

SystemicAnomaly 03-21-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeler (Post 6411728)
We are still in the dry season here in Florida.

Isn't it humid in FL even in the "dry" season?


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