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norcaltennisnut 03-29-2012 01:52 PM

Stanford Men
 
I am very dissapointed with the Pepperdine match scores yesterday. I did not see the match but the scores were very shocking to me. I have seen a couple of home matches this year with the loss to Fresno being the last. I don't want to over react but it seems like the coaches are not pushing the right buttons to motivate this group. I know that the Stanford standard has dropped a little on the men's side but the lopsided scores from yesterday are a little dissapointing. I am not saying that the coaches should be let go but it seems something or someone needs to revitalize the program. Hopefully we can get our groove back soon. :confused:

socaltennnis 03-29-2012 02:06 PM

People have an overexaggerated view of Stanford. This loss is not uncommon for Stanford. Losing to Pepperdine may be uncommon but losing to a top ten team for them is not. In recent NCAA tournament history, Stanford has only placed between Rd of 32 and Quarterfinals. Placing third or fourth in the Pac-12 this year would be considered perfectly normal for this team. Something to think about.

ClarkC 03-29-2012 02:37 PM

If you think the standard has dropped for Stanford, just wait till next year! Because Klahn and Thacher will be gone. Some good freshmen coming in, but that will be a young team with no elite-level guys available for #1 doubles and top two singles.

floridatennisdude 03-29-2012 06:01 PM

I think they are going to get pumped now that their men's basketball team won the NIT. That may have been weighing on them.

tball2day 03-29-2012 06:11 PM

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SoCal10s 03-29-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkC (Post 6433812)
If you think the standard has dropped for Stanford, just wait till next year! Because Klahn and Thacher will be gone. Some good freshmen coming in, but that will be a young team with no elite-level guys available for #1 doubles and top two singles.

those new recruits you mentioned will be less effective than the team they have now..

jaggy 03-30-2012 04:50 AM

Countdown to Feddy
5-4-3........

Tennishacker 03-30-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkC (Post 6433812)
If you think the standard has dropped for Stanford, just wait till next year! Because Klahn and Thacher will be gone. Some good freshmen coming in, but that will be a young team with no elite-level guys available for #1 doubles and top two singles.

Time to start recruiting foreigners!

Misterbill 03-30-2012 02:06 PM

Time to start recruiting better talent, without regard to nationality.

Tennishacker 03-30-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Misterbill (Post 6436370)
Time to start recruiting better talent, without regard to nationality.

Misterbill, are you "hounding me"?

norcaltennisnut 04-02-2012 01:32 PM

How does #31 Santa Clara a week later lose to #7 Pepperdine by the same score of 6-1 that Stanford losses by, but wins more total games than #8Stanford. This is an interesting stat to look at:

SCU- Doubles won 18 games and won 7-5 at #1 doubles
Singles won 36 games and won 7-5, 6-3 at #5 singles

Stanford- Doubles won 16 games and won 8-7 at #1 doubles
Singles won 32 games and won 6-3, 6-4 at #4 singles

Santa Clara is #31 and should probably be in the 40's and Stanford is top 10. I agree Stanford is no longer one of the top programs in the country but this is a pathetic effort. Not to mention they barely beat Utah this past weekend 4-3. Not a happy Stanford Cardinal right now.

bluetrain4 04-02-2012 01:40 PM

Stanford tennis is kind of like Notre Dame football. So good, for so long, but the game has moved on, the game is deeper, there are many more top players available (many of whom don't want to or simply cannot, for academic reasons, attend Stanford), there are many more great programs.

Yes, Stanford still remains a blue blood program, an elite program, with great tradition and a lot of resournes. I assume they will eventually win more NCAA titles. But, the days of winning as much as they used to have passed. The landscape is much different.

woodrow1029 04-02-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by norcaltennisnut (Post 6442901)
How does #31 Santa Clara a week later lose to #7 Pepperdine by the same score of 6-1 that Stanford losses by, but wins more total games than #8Stanford. This is an interesting stat to look at:

SCU- Doubles won 18 games and won 7-5 at #1 doubles
Singles won 36 games and won 7-5, 6-3 at #5 singles

Stanford- Doubles won 16 games and won 8-7 at #1 doubles
Singles won 32 games and won 6-3, 6-4 at #4 singles

Santa Clara is #31 and should probably be in the 40's and Stanford is top 10. I agree Stanford is no longer one of the top programs in the country but this is a pathetic effort. Not to mention they barely beat Utah this past weekend 4-3. Not a happy Stanford Cardinal right now.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think SCU should be in the 40's?

norcaltennisnut 04-02-2012 01:56 PM

I have seen them play twice this year and I would agree they have come a long way in a short time but I think they are a little over ranked right now. Just my opinion. It will be interesting to see if they make the NCAA Tournament.

woodrow1029 04-02-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by norcaltennisnut (Post 6442931)
I have seen them play twice this year and I would agree they have come a long way in a short time but I think they are a little over ranked right now. Just my opinion. It will be interesting to see if they make the NCAA Tournament.

But with the exception of one bad loss to Arkansas, they have beaten everyone they should beat. The issue that they are having is that Maxime Armengaud is out for the year with a broken wrist/hand. If he was in the lineup at 3 where he should be, and Vinel was playing 4, followed by Pham at 5 and Osintsev at 6, they would be in a better condition, but after wins against BYU and Boise St., I think they are definitely a top 40 team.

Also, despite the 6-1 scoreline, they played Stanford pretty tough at the KOW (even though the level of play doesn't factor into their ranking).

norcaltennisnut 04-02-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by woodrow1029 (Post 6442940)
But with the exception of one bad loss to Arkansas, they have beaten everyone they should beat. The issue that they are having is that Maxime Armengaud is out for the year with a broken wrist/hand. If he was in the lineup at 3 where he should be, and Vinel was playing 4, followed by Pham at 5 and Osintsev at 6, they would be in a better condition, but after wins against BYU and Boise St., I think they are definitely a top 40 team.

Also, despite the 6-1 scoreline, they played Stanford pretty tough at the KOW (even though the level of play doesn't factor into their ranking).

Woodrow, you make some good points. I was at the Stanford/Santa Clara match and was impressed with Santa Clara's scrappy play. Since they are missing their #3 I didn't think they were deep enough to be where they are at currently. It seems like you know the Santa Clara team better than I do. I will say that they have improved every year since the new coach came in and I have enjoyed watching them play over the past couple of years. Although I only catch about 2 maybe 3 matches a year.

woodrow1029 04-02-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by norcaltennisnut (Post 6442992)
Woodrow, you make some good points. I was at the Stanford/Santa Clara match and was impressed with Santa Clara's scrappy play. Since they are missing their #3 I didn't think they were deep enough to be where they are at currently. It seems like you know the Santa Clara team better than I do. I will say that they have improved every year since the new coach came in and I have enjoyed watching them play over the past couple of years. Although I only catch about 2 maybe 3 matches a year.

I don't know if they will make the NCAA tournament though. If they can beat USD, then for sure I think. If they lose to USD, then they would have to win every other match, and have a good run at the WCC tournament. Pepperdine is the runaway favorite to win the WCC though, so SCU has to have a great finish to the regular season.

Clemson_tennis 04-02-2012 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by woodrow1029 (Post 6443029)
I don't know if they will make the NCAA tournament though. If they can beat USD, then for sure I think. If they lose to USD, then they would have to win every other match, and have a good run at the WCC tournament. Pepperdine is the runaway favorite to win the WCC though, so SCU has to have a great finish to the regular season.

why do you say that? They are in good position in the rankings.

woodrow1029 04-02-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clemson_tennis (Post 6443279)
why do you say that? They are in good position in the rankings.

I'm just saying they can't have any major slips at the end of the year. They are not goin to get the WCC automatic bid, and with all the conference automatic bids, they are flirting with that area of bubble teams, especially if they have a bad loss or two near the end of the season.

norcaltennisnut 04-03-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by woodrow1029 (Post 6443581)
I'm just saying they can't have any major slips at the end of the year. They are not goin to get the WCC automatic bid, and with all the conference automatic bids, they are flirting with that area of bubble teams, especially if they have a bad loss or two near the end of the season.

After seeing today's rankings I can't see Santa Clara making the Tournament unless they beat Cal Poly and USD with no other losses going into the WCC Tournament. I don't see them doing this.


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