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Mustard 04-13-2012 07:22 PM

1970 Dunlop WCT Sydney Open and 1971 Tennis Champions Classic
 
Can anyone provide a full results list for these tournaments that Rod Laver won?

krosero 04-13-2012 09:32 PM

For the Tennis Champions Classic see http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=273248

Mustard 04-14-2012 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krosero (Post 6463277)
For the Tennis Champions Classic see http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=273248

Ah. Thanks :)

pc1 04-14-2012 07:46 AM

Copied this from an Andrew Tas post in Mens Tennis Forums on the 1970 Dunlop WCT Sydney Open




March 16-22 1970
Dunlop Open, Sydney

Men’s
First Round
Rod Laver (1) bye
Ion Tiriac (ROU) d. Butch Buchholz (USA) 61 64 64
John Cooper d. Fred Stolle 64 36 63 16 62
Ilie Nastase (ROU) (8) d. Allan McDonald 63 63 64
Tom Okker (NED) (5) bye
Roger Taylor (GBR) d. Colin Dibley 64 62 62
Bob Lutz (USA) d. Ray Moore (RSA) 63 46 46 62 62
Arthur Ashe (USA) (4) bye
Ken Rosewall (3) bye
Frank Sedgman d. Stan Smith (USA) wo
Bill Bowrey d. Marty Riessen (USA) 75 86 63
Pancho Gonzales (USA) (6) bye
Roy Emerson (7) d. Graham Stilwell (GBR) 63 61 64
Mal Anderson d. Dennis Ralston (USA) 1012 62 64 57 64
Andres Gimeno (ESP) d. Mark Cox (GBR) 86 62 63
John Newcombe (2) bye

Second Round
Laver (1) d. Tiriac (ROU) 46 63 75 62
J Cooper d. Nastase (ROU) (8) 63 63 57 64
Taylor (GBR) d. Okker (NED) (5) 60 63 57 64
Ashe (USA) (4) d. Lutz (USA) 63 64 64
Rosewall (3) d. Sedgman 46 97 64 86
Gonzales (USA) (6) d. Bowrey 63 64 62
Emerson (7) d. Mal Anderson 62 1614 63
Gimeno (ESP) d. Newcombe (2) 64 75 1311

Quarter Finals
Laver d. J Cooper 108 63 62
Taylor d. Ashe 63 86 64
Rosewall d. Gonzales 60 108 62
Gimeno d. Emerson 63 36 46 62 63

Semi Finals
Laver d. Taylor 64 1214 62 62
Rosewall d. Gimeno 64 68 119 61

Final
Laver d. Rosewall 36 62 36 62 63

Seems to me to be an exceptionallly strong field.

Mustard 04-14-2012 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pc1 (Post 6463642)
Copied this from an Andrew Tas post in Mens Tennis Forums on the 1970 Dunlop WCT Sydney Open




March 16-22 1970
Dunlop Open, Sydney

Men’s
First Round
Rod Laver (1) bye
Ion Tiriac (ROU) d. Butch Buchholz (USA) 61 64 64
John Cooper d. Fred Stolle 64 36 63 16 62
Ilie Nastase (ROU) (8) d. Allan McDonald 63 63 64
Tom Okker (NED) (5) bye
Roger Taylor (GBR) d. Colin Dibley 64 62 62
Bob Lutz (USA) d. Ray Moore (RSA) 63 46 46 62 62
Arthur Ashe (USA) (4) bye
Ken Rosewall (3) bye
Frank Sedgman d. Stan Smith (USA) wo
Bill Bowrey d. Marty Riessen (USA) 75 86 63
Pancho Gonzales (USA) (6) bye
Roy Emerson (7) d. Graham Stilwell (GBR) 63 61 64
Mal Anderson d. Dennis Ralston (USA) 1012 62 64 57 64
Andres Gimeno (ESP) d. Mark Cox (GBR) 86 62 63
John Newcombe (2) bye

Second Round
Laver (1) d. Tiriac (ROU) 46 63 75 62
J Cooper d. Nastase (ROU) (8) 63 63 57 64
Taylor (GBR) d. Okker (NED) (5) 60 63 57 64
Ashe (USA) (4) d. Lutz (USA) 63 64 64
Rosewall (3) d. Sedgman 46 97 64 86
Gonzales (USA) (6) d. Bowrey 63 64 62
Emerson (7) d. Mal Anderson 62 1614 63
Gimeno (ESP) d. Newcombe (2) 64 75 1311

Quarter Finals
Laver d. J Cooper 108 63 62
Taylor d. Ashe 63 86 64
Rosewall d. Gonzales 60 108 62
Gimeno d. Emerson 63 36 46 62 63

Semi Finals
Laver d. Taylor 64 1214 62 62
Rosewall d. Gimeno 64 68 119 61

Final
Laver d. Rosewall 36 62 36 62 63

Seems to me to be an exceptionallly strong field.


Thanks pc1 and AndrewTas :)

Yes, that is a very strong field.

kiki 04-14-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pc1 (Post 6463642)
Copied this from an Andrew Tas post in Mens Tennis Forums on the 1970 Dunlop WCT Sydney Open




March 16-22 1970
Dunlop Open, Sydney

Men’s
First Round
Rod Laver (1) bye
Ion Tiriac (ROU) d. Butch Buchholz (USA) 61 64 64
John Cooper d. Fred Stolle 64 36 63 16 62
Ilie Nastase (ROU) (8) d. Allan McDonald 63 63 64
Tom Okker (NED) (5) bye
Roger Taylor (GBR) d. Colin Dibley 64 62 62
Bob Lutz (USA) d. Ray Moore (RSA) 63 46 46 62 62
Arthur Ashe (USA) (4) bye
Ken Rosewall (3) bye
Frank Sedgman d. Stan Smith (USA) wo
Bill Bowrey d. Marty Riessen (USA) 75 86 63
Pancho Gonzales (USA) (6) bye
Roy Emerson (7) d. Graham Stilwell (GBR) 63 61 64
Mal Anderson d. Dennis Ralston (USA) 1012 62 64 57 64
Andres Gimeno (ESP) d. Mark Cox (GBR) 86 62 63
John Newcombe (2) bye

Second Round
Laver (1) d. Tiriac (ROU) 46 63 75 62
J Cooper d. Nastase (ROU) (8) 63 63 57 64
Taylor (GBR) d. Okker (NED) (5) 60 63 57 64
Ashe (USA) (4) d. Lutz (USA) 63 64 64
Rosewall (3) d. Sedgman 46 97 64 86
Gonzales (USA) (6) d. Bowrey 63 64 62
Emerson (7) d. Mal Anderson 62 1614 63
Gimeno (ESP) d. Newcombe (2) 64 75 1311

Quarter Finals
Laver d. J Cooper 108 63 62
Taylor d. Ashe 63 86 64
Rosewall d. Gonzales 60 108 62
Gimeno d. Emerson 63 36 46 62 63

Semi Finals
Laver d. Taylor 64 1214 62 62
Rosewall d. Gimeno 64 68 119 61

Final
Laver d. Rosewall 36 62 36 62 63

Seems to me to be an exceptionallly strong field.

Taylor proved to be a true great player; would have given Kodes much more trouble,IMO, than Metrevali at the 1973 Wimbly.

Besides, great achievement by Gimeno, defeating 2 great australians at their home soil.

Mustard 04-14-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6464353)
Taylor proved to be a true great player; would have given Kodes much more trouble,IMO, than Metrevali at the 1973 Wimbly.

Taylor shouldn't have been playing 1973 Wimbledon anyway. He was one of the three members of the ATP who refused to boycott, along with Nastase and Keldie. How apt that they all fell flat on their faces in the singles, although Nastase won the doubles with Connors.

kiki 04-14-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6464361)
Taylor shouldn't have been playing 1973 Wimbledon anyway. He was one of the three members of the ATP who refused to boycott, along with Nastase and Keldie. How apt that they all fell flat on their faces in the singles, although Nastase won the doubles with Connors.

lots of politics back then, the most controversial era might well be 1970-1980 and that boycott is certainly one of its peaks.

it would be very interesting to discuss who should be playing and who shouldnīt.Taylor was a british player and he had been already deprived playing Wimbledon since he was a WCT player.

Why did Borg,Nastase not follow the boycott?.For Connors, he was not an ATP memember and he was fighting ATPīs weight in the game.

Mustard 04-14-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6464371)
Why did Borg,Nastase not follow the boycott?.For Connors, he was not an ATP memember and he was fighting ATPīs weight in the game.

Ashe apparently asked Connors to join the ATP and boycott with them, but Connors refused. Borg wasn't an ATP member at that time. Nastase was an ATP member and decided to play Wimbledon, despite the ATP boycotting, saying that he didn't want to go against the Romanian tennis authorities. The ATP later fined Nastase, Taylor and Keldie for their strikebreaking actions.

By the way, kiki, Taylor did face Kodes at 1973 Wimbledon. Kodes beat Taylor 8-9, 9-7, 5-7, 6-4, 7-5 in the semi finals. Kodes had an easier time in the final against Metreveli, winning 6-1, 9-8, 6-3.

kiki 04-15-2012 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6464387)
Ashe apparently asked Connors to join the ATP and boycott with them, but Connors refused. Borg wasn't an ATP member at that time. Nastase was an ATP member and decided to play Wimbledon, despite the ATP boycotting, saying that he didn't want to go against the Romanian tennis authorities. The ATP later fined Nastase, Taylor and Keldie for their strikebreaking actions.

By the way, kiki, Taylor did face Kodes at 1973 Wimbledon. Kodes beat Taylor 8-9, 9-7, 5-7, 6-4, 7-5 in the semi finals. Kodes had an easier time in the final against Metreveli, winning 6-1, 9-8, 6-3.

Right.Taylor had a better grass court game than Metrevali, and in case he had played Kodes in the final, the result would be pretty similar to their semifinal.

treblings 04-15-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pc1 (Post 6463642)
Copied this from an Andrew Tas post in Mens Tennis Forums on the 1970 Dunlop WCT Sydney Open




March 16-22 1970
Dunlop Open, Sydney

Men’s
First Round
Rod Laver (1) bye
Ion Tiriac (ROU) d. Butch Buchholz (USA) 61 64 64
John Cooper d. Fred Stolle 64 36 63 16 62
Ilie Nastase (ROU) (8) d. Allan McDonald 63 63 64
Tom Okker (NED) (5) bye
Roger Taylor (GBR) d. Colin Dibley 64 62 62
Bob Lutz (USA) d. Ray Moore (RSA) 63 46 46 62 62
Arthur Ashe (USA) (4) bye
Ken Rosewall (3) bye
Frank Sedgman d. Stan Smith (USA) wo
Bill Bowrey d. Marty Riessen (USA) 75 86 63
Pancho Gonzales (USA) (6) bye
Roy Emerson (7) d. Graham Stilwell (GBR) 63 61 64
Mal Anderson d. Dennis Ralston (USA) 1012 62 64 57 64
Andres Gimeno (ESP) d. Mark Cox (GBR) 86 62 63
John Newcombe (2) bye

Second Round
Laver (1) d. Tiriac (ROU) 46 63 75 62
J Cooper d. Nastase (ROU) (8) 63 63 57 64
Taylor (GBR) d. Okker (NED) (5) 60 63 57 64
Ashe (USA) (4) d. Lutz (USA) 63 64 64
Rosewall (3) d. Sedgman 46 97 64 86
Gonzales (USA) (6) d. Bowrey 63 64 62
Emerson (7) d. Mal Anderson 62 1614 63
Gimeno (ESP) d. Newcombe (2) 64 75 1311

Quarter Finals
Laver d. J Cooper 108 63 62
Taylor d. Ashe 63 86 64
Rosewall d. Gonzales 60 108 62
Gimeno d. Emerson 63 36 46 62 63

Semi Finals
Laver d. Taylor 64 1214 62 62
Rosewall d. Gimeno 64 68 119 61

Final
Laver d. Rosewall 36 62 36 62 63

Seems to me to be an exceptionallly strong field.

John Cooper. I have to confess iīve never heard his name before, or at least
canīt remember. but defeating Stolle and Nastase in the same tournament is pretty impressive. any info about him?

Mustard 04-16-2012 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treblings (Post 6466798)
John Cooper. I have to confess iīve never heard his name before, or at least
canīt remember. but defeating Stolle and Nastase in the same tournament is pretty impressive. any info about him?

John Cooper is the younger brother of Ashley Cooper, the winner of 4 amateur singles majors between 1957-1958. John Cooper's best results were winning his only singles tournament at 1972 Hilversum, and he was runner-up of the Wimbledon men's doubles in the boycott year of 1973.

kiki 04-16-2012 03:25 PM

What about Wimbledon quarterfinalist Horst Buch Bucholz, he was a WCT stelwart and long time pro under Mc Callīs team, but he was never a major player.

Anybody knows about him'

Mustard 04-16-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6468276)
What about Wimbledon quarterfinalist Horst Buch Bucholz, he was a WCT stelwart and long time pro under Mc Callīs team, but he was never a major player.

Anybody knows about him'

Butch Buchholz won the 1962 US Pro title in Cleveland, beating Segura in the final. He was later the chief executive of the ATP.

treblings 04-16-2012 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6467275)
John Cooper is the younger brother of Ashley Cooper, the winner of 4 amateur singles majors between 1957-1958. John Cooper's best results were winning his only singles tournament at 1972 Hilversum, and he was runner-up of the Wimbledon men's doubles in the boycott year of 1973.

thanks, itīs good to realize, that there were strong players in that era who could challenge and beat the best and are not widely remembered today.
the depth of talent was greater than is often thought today.

kiki 04-22-2012 11:38 AM

Mustard, you seem to know pretty well the WCT history.How comes that, in the star studded croop of the 1970īs, Hunt and his team signed unknown guys like Edlefsen,Barth or Leonard?, I mean, were they NCAA champions or something like that?

That seemed a very curious decision when I think of the first WCT tours, led by the likes of Ken Rosewall and Rod Laver.

Limpinhitter 04-22-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6464353)
Taylor proved to be a true great player; would have given Kodes much more trouble,IMO, than Metrevali at the 1973 Wimbly.

Besides, great achievement by Gimeno, defeating 2 great australians at their home soil.

I never saw Gimeno play, but, he reputedly had one of the best forehands on tour. I recall reading a quote in which he said he grew up just hitting forehands against a wall for hours per day.

Limpinhitter 04-22-2012 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6468276)
What about Wimbledon quarterfinalist Horst Buch Bucholz, he was a WCT stelwart and long time pro under Mc Callīs team, but he was never a major player.

Anybody knows about him'

I ran into Butch Buchholz at a local dry cleaner about 15 years ago. He looked as crispy as an overcooked strip of bacon. He made George Hamilton look positively pale.

kiki 04-22-2012 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter (Post 6481779)
I never saw Gimeno play, but, he reputedly had one of the best forehands on tour. I recall reading a quote in which he said he grew up just hitting forehands against a wall for hours per day.

Good serve, steady sliced and flat BH and a very good forehand.Did play fairly well at the net.IMO, a more complete player than Santana, the other spanish great player of the 60īs, who remained amateur and won 4 majors.

kiki 04-22-2012 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter (Post 6481784)
I ran into Butch Buchholz at a local dry cleaner about 15 years ago. He looked as crispy as an overcooked strip of bacon. He made George Hamilton look positively pale.

He was probably the least competitive of the pro squad gathered by Mc Call (Laver,Rosewall,Hoad,Gonzales,Ayala,Gimeno,Bucholt z and Fraser)


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