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hollywood9826 06-20-2012 06:45 AM

Secretariat's Preakness Time Officially Changed
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing...?ocid=ansfox11

Secretariat's Preakness time officially changed he now owns the all time track record.


The Maryland Racing Commission voted 7-0 on Tuesday in a special hearing at Laurel Park to change the official time of the race from 1:54 2/5 to 1:53. That gives Secretariat records in each of his three Triple Crown races - the Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Belmont Stakes - that still stand.

The Belmont time is still the worlds fastest mile and a half ever.

At the time of the Kentcuky derby that year Sham had the 2nd fastest time ever ran. He was only the same 2.5 lenghts back at preakness meaning he had the 2nd fastest Preakness time ever as well. Sham would have dominated any other year but was unfortunate that his cousin was the same age and was the greatest ever.

Ash_Smith 06-20-2012 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywood9826 (Post 6646177)
his cousin was the same age and was the greatest ever.

Not any more apparently - Frankel now rated greatest of all time by Timeform with a rating of 147 (Secretariat was already rated second highest anyway by Timeform on 144 behind Sea Bird II at 145).

hollywood9826 06-20-2012 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ash_Smith (Post 6646299)
Not any more apparently - Frankel now rated greatest of all time by Timeform with a rating of 147 (Secretariat was already rated second highest anyway by Timeform on 144 behind Sea Bird II at 145).

Cant trust timeform for north american horses.

Just look at the times and records Secretariat still has.

Its been close to 40 years and no horse has ran a faster mile and a half on any dirt trck anywehre.

Still holds the 1 1/4 mile record at Churchill downs for any race. Also owns the preakness record. Thats 40 years and he still owns all the records for the biggest horse races in the US.

Im sure Frankel and Sea Bird II are fine horses. But Timeform has just recently started doing anything with North America.


Just that Belmont alone

Year Horse 1/4 M. 1/2 M. 3/4 M. Mile 1 1/4 M. 1 1/2 M

1973 Secretariat :23 3/5 :46 1/5 1:09 1/5 1:34 1/5 1:59 2:24*
1989 Easy Goer :23 1/5 :47 1:11 1/5 1:35 4/5 2:00 4/5 2:26
2001 Point Given :23 4/5 :48 1:11 3/5 1:35 2/5 2:00 3/5 2:26 2/5
1992 A.P. Indy :23 1/5 :47 1:11 4/5 1:36 1/5 2:01 1/5 2:26 2/5
1988 Risen Star :23 2/5 :47 1/5 1:11 4/5 1:36 2/5 2:01 3/5 2:26 2/5
1978 Affirmed :25 :50 1:14 1:37 2/5 2:01 3/5 2:26 4/5

Fastest first quarter- 0:23 by Another Review in 1991
(Hansel won)
Fastest first mile- 1:34 1/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first half-mile- 0:46 1/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first 1 1/4 mile- 1:59 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first 3/4's- 1:09 4/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)

*Secretariat's time of 2:24 is a world record for the mile-and-a-half distance on a dirt track.

volleygirl 06-20-2012 10:45 AM

It really is amazing just how amazing a horse Secretariat must have been. 40 years later and still no one has come close to his records?

So he would have won the Triple Crown every year before that and since he won it with his times? Thats ridiculous

Larrysümmers 06-20-2012 11:18 AM

i smell PEDs :twisted:

Ash_Smith 06-20-2012 11:44 AM

[quote=hollywood9826;6646713
Its been close to 40 years and no horse has ran a faster mile and a half on any dirt trck anywehre.
[/QUOTE]

On dirt - oh well that doesn't count anyway :)

hollywood9826 06-20-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by volleygirl (Post 6646835)
It really is amazing just how amazing a horse Secretariat must have been. 40 years later and still no one has come close to his records?

So he would have won the Triple Crown every year before that and since he won it with his times? Thats ridiculous

And Sham would have broke both previous Kentucky Derby and Preakness records. He floped at the Belmont becuase the Jockey was told to keep alng with Secretariat the whole time. Sham got gassed and the jockey let up.

The race itself is ridiculous. There wasnt any cameras to fit all the horse in at the finish because he was so far ahead.

Fun race to watch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4f6wiQJh4

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Originally Posted by Larrysümmers (Post 6646914)
i smell PEDs :twisted:

Maybe, I guess we need to bring him in front of congress to lie then have two trials that the govt can botch and he can get off scott free.

volleygirl 06-20-2012 12:10 PM

Hollywood, I have seen that Belmont race 100 times and still love seeing it. That horse was just incredible and love the announcer saying, "hes like a tremendous machine" as his lead grows to a hilarious amount.

hollywood9826 06-20-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by volleygirl (Post 6647052)
Hollywood, I have seen that Belmont race 100 times and still love seeing it. That horse was just incredible and love the announcer saying, "hes like a tremendous machine" as his lead grows to a hilarious amount.

Yep,

It never gets old.

Ramon 06-20-2012 12:33 PM

Secretariat is the GOAT. No question in my mind. It amazes me to see replays of his triple crown races. He won them all in completely different ways in spectacular fashion, and he was an amazing looking horse at that. We won't see another one like him.

Rui 06-20-2012 01:23 PM

In 1973 I wasn't paying attention to horse racing. I came home from playing tennis, turned on the news and they were showing the final half mile of the Belmont. I watched in stunned silence. Even I who wouldn't know a race horse from a mule was amazed at that victory. Incredible.

Ash_Smith 06-20-2012 01:32 PM

The worlds greatest flat horse...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ca7ftUbWFI

and if you want to see a machine of a horse, see The Tank in the most devastating victory in the greatest race on the planet, defeating the greatest staying chaser of all time. Relentless galloping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQTzaCWnmA

damn, I love horse racing :)

cheers

Ramon 06-21-2012 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywood9826 (Post 6646713)
Cant trust timeform for north american horses.

Just look at the times and records Secretariat still has.

Its been close to 40 years and no horse has ran a faster mile and a half on any dirt trck anywehre.

Still holds the 1 1/4 mile record at Churchill downs for any race. Also owns the preakness record. Thats 40 years and he still owns all the records for the biggest horse races in the US.

Im sure Frankel and Sea Bird II are fine horses. But Timeform has just recently started doing anything with North America.


Just that Belmont alone

Year Horse 1/4 M. 1/2 M. 3/4 M. Mile 1 1/4 M. 1 1/2 M

1973 Secretariat :23 3/5 :46 1/5 1:09 1/5 1:34 1/5 1:59 2:24*
1989 Easy Goer :23 1/5 :47 1:11 1/5 1:35 4/5 2:00 4/5 2:26
2001 Point Given :23 4/5 :48 1:11 3/5 1:35 2/5 2:00 3/5 2:26 2/5
1992 A.P. Indy :23 1/5 :47 1:11 4/5 1:36 1/5 2:01 1/5 2:26 2/5
1988 Risen Star :23 2/5 :47 1/5 1:11 4/5 1:36 2/5 2:01 3/5 2:26 2/5
1978 Affirmed :25 :50 1:14 1:37 2/5 2:01 3/5 2:26 4/5

Fastest first quarter- 0:23 by Another Review in 1991
(Hansel won)
Fastest first mile- 1:34 1/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first half-mile- 0:46 1/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first 1 1/4 mile- 1:59 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)
Fastest first 3/4's- 1:09 4/5 by Secretariat in 1973
(Secretariat won)

*Secretariat's time of 2:24 is a world record for the mile-and-a-half distance on a dirt track.

If you assume a length for every 1/5 sec, Secretariat would have beaten the 2nd best Belmont winner, Easy Goer, by 10 lengths, and he wasn't even challenged to push himself.

I know he had a few bad races, and there were other horses with better win-loss records over a number of years, like Zenyatta, but the Triple Crown for 3 year olds are the races with the most prestige and the ones that really count. Horse racing isn't like human sports. Once they've proven themselves, the best-of-the-best are put to stud, so that window of opportunity is what counts.

Turf is faster than dirt, so that's why the dirt track specification is significant. Secretariat also proved himself on dirt by winning the Man O'War stakes after the Triple Crown and was even named American Champion Male Turf Horse that year. Penny took a big chance by running him after the Triple Crown. Kudos to Penny for continuing to show us such a magnificient horse for as long as she could under the rules of the syndicate.

North 06-21-2012 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by volleygirl (Post 6646835)
It really is amazing just how amazing a horse Secretariat must have been. 40 years later and still no one has come close to his records?

So he would have won the Triple Crown every year before that and since he won it with his times? Thats ridiculous

Secretariat was amazing. I grew up across the street from Belmont Race Track and worked there as a hot walker when I was in high school (walk the horses to cool them down slowly after a workout). I got to walk a lot of great thoroughbreds, including Secretariat.

Some horses you would have to constantly cajole to walk at all after a hard practise and some you would have to calm down so they wouldn't keep pushing the pace. Secretariat paced himself - he walked us hot walkers instead of the other way around lol. He set exactly the right pace to cool down optimally. Even watching the workouts, you could see that Secretariat would actually anticipate the jockeys and do what they wanted even before the jockeys themselves indicated any changes in pace, direction, cadence.

Thoroughbreds are very smart horses but Secretariat was the smartest I've ever seen before or since.

r2473 06-25-2012 07:29 AM

weak era

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