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kishnabe 07-06-2012 05:47 PM

Paul Annacone vs Ivan Lendl
 
Annacone has the experience of helping Sampras win majors. Though he hasn't stuck gold except when Federer beat Novak at RG11 and SW19 12.

Lendl has pushed Murray past his berating barrier. Murray reacted with pushing Novak to the brink in the 12 Aussie Semifinals.

Who do you think will give the best tactics and support that will help prevail Roger or Murray in the end!?

sportsfan1 07-06-2012 07:05 PM

Don't forget Luthi. Actually, nvm, it's all Mirka :-)

Backhanded Compliment 07-06-2012 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 6701130)
Annacone has the experience of helping Sampras win majors. Though he hasn't stuck gold except when Federer beat Novak at RG11 and SW19 12.

Lendl has pushed Murray past his berating barrier. Murray reacted with pushing Novak to the brink in the 12 Aussie Semifinals.

Who do you think will give the best tactics and support that will help prevail Roger or Murray in the end!?

Lendl is tricky, there will be surprises that we haven't anticipated...

OldFedIsOld 07-06-2012 07:24 PM

Annacone would probably be the better coach overall. However if they were to engage in fisticuffs Lendl would mop the floor with Annacone.

NADALWON 07-06-2012 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldFedIsOld (Post 6701361)
Annacone would probably be the better coach overall. However if they were to engage in fisticuffs Lendl would mop the floor with Annacone.

Not sure if Annacone helped Sampras much. I don't have the quote but I'm sure somebody does, of the conversation between Agassi and Sampras (outlined in Agassi's "Open" book) regarding how minor Annacone was to Sampras.

sportsfan1 07-07-2012 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NADALWON (Post 6701419)
Not sure if Annacone helped Sampras much. I don't have the quote but I'm sure somebody does, of the conversation between Agassi and Sampras (outlined in Agassi's "Open" book) regarding how minor Annacone was to Sampras.

In Sampras's bio, IIRC, he regretted letting Annacone go, and had to fix some burnt bridges to get him back?

BeHappy 07-07-2012 09:41 AM

http://www.raw-veganism.com/SamprasH...f_Rivalry.html

What most impressed Agassi was how little Sampras leans on his coaches.
(Agassi is now coached by Brad Gilbert, who helped him climb from No. 32 to No.
1 in a little more than a year; Sampras's coach is Paul Annacone, who replaced
Tim Gullikson seven months ago when Gullikson withdrew to battle brain cancer,
for which he is now undergoing chemotherapy.) "Pete said, 'Regardless of what
Brad's done for you, you're the one who has to go out there and do it,' " Agassi
told me in the restaurant. "I said, 'I totally agree with you, but he's given me
a lot of important insights." He said, 'Like what?' And I was like, 'Well, he's
directed me here and directed me there, and given me a game plan.' And Pete was
shocked to think that's what a coach does. All he knows is someone who makes
sure his toss is on line and helps with the fundamentals on some very basic
level. But nobody tells Pete how to play. Me, it's the opposite. I have all the
shots, but what the hell do I do with them?"


when I
remind him how frequently Brad Gilbert, Agassi's notoriously gregarious coach,
brings up the fact that Gilbert is four and four in the eight times he met
Sampras as a player, he says, "[expletive] Brad!" He tries to point out the
meaninglessness of the statistic. "I mean, this [expletive] guy here is 1-0
against me," Sampras says, pointing to Annacone, who is wading in the shallow
end with a silly grin, not quite sure whether to look proud or insulted

Sampras has seemed to
value his coaches more for their company than their wisdom. When Annacone, still
wading nearby, starts expounding tennis theory, saying that a player is always
plotting to take away the amount of time his opponent has to return a shot,
either by hitting the ball hard or hitting it early, Sampras, without taking
his eye off the little poolside basketball hoop he's shooting at, just says,
"Nonsense."

JeMar 07-07-2012 09:43 AM

I find a little ironic that Murray brought in Lendl to win WIMBLEDON.

Wilander Fan 07-07-2012 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeMar (Post 6703161)
I find a little ironic that Murray brought in Lendl to win WIMBLEDON.

Not for me. Probably no one player in the history of the game has put more thought and effort into winning that tournament than Lendl. If I recall, he even missed a FO one year to prepare early. He changed his game to volley more, etc. Its actually odd he could not win it considering that he was not a bad volleyer, had a big serve and moved well. I think the problem was that he played in an era with great natural volleyers and the grass was very fast.

However, its a much slower and different game now and I think I see more S&V at RG than Wimbledon.

zagor 07-07-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilander Fan (Post 6703349)
Not for me. Probably no one player in the history of the game has put more thought and effort into winning that tournament than Lendl. If I recall, he even missed a FO one year to prepare early. He changed his game to volley more, etc. Its actually odd he could not win it considering that he was not a bad volleyer, had a big serve and moved well. I think the problem was that he played in an era with great natural volleyers and the grass was very fast.

However, its a much slower and different game now and I think I see more S&V at RG than Wimbledon.

Everybody played serve and volley at Wimbledon before 2002 (well aside from Agassi who was the best natural ball striker ever but he's a special case), it was the percentage play due to the way grass was.

NADALWON 07-07-2012 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeHappy (Post 6703158)
http://www.raw-veganism.com/SamprasH...f_Rivalry.html

What most impressed Agassi was how little Sampras leans on his coaches.
(Agassi is now coached by Brad Gilbert, who helped him climb from No. 32 to No.
1 in a little more than a year; Sampras's coach is Paul Annacone, who replaced
Tim Gullikson seven months ago when Gullikson withdrew to battle brain cancer,
for which he is now undergoing chemotherapy.) "Pete said, 'Regardless of what
Brad's done for you, you're the one who has to go out there and do it,' " Agassi
told me in the restaurant. "I said, 'I totally agree with you, but he's given me
a lot of important insights." He said, 'Like what?' And I was like, 'Well, he's
directed me here and directed me there, and given me a game plan.' And Pete was
shocked to think that's what a coach does. All he knows is someone who makes
sure his toss is on line and helps with the fundamentals on some very basic
level. But nobody tells Pete how to play. Me, it's the opposite. I have all the
shots, but what the hell do I do with them?"


when I
remind him how frequently Brad Gilbert, Agassi's notoriously gregarious coach,
brings up the fact that Gilbert is four and four in the eight times he met
Sampras as a player, he says, "[expletive] Brad!" He tries to point out the
meaninglessness of the statistic. "I mean, this [expletive] guy here is 1-0
against me," Sampras says, pointing to Annacone, who is wading in the shallow
end with a silly grin, not quite sure whether to look proud or insulted

Sampras has seemed to
value his coaches more for their company than their wisdom. When Annacone, still
wading nearby, starts expounding tennis theory, saying that a player is always
plotting to take away the amount of time his opponent has to return a shot,
either by hitting the ball hard or hitting it early, Sampras, without taking
his eye off the little poolside basketball hoop he's shooting at, just says,
"Nonsense."

There it is :D

PCXL-Fan 07-07-2012 04:42 PM

I would like to remind all you MEN that Federer would be nothing without Mirka. Behind every great man is a great woman. Mirka is at least 40% of the reason Federer is one of the greatest ever. So cut out the Mirka is a fat cow jokes because half of you making them are dorito eating hypocrites living in your moms basement.

NADALWON 07-07-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCXL-Fan (Post 6704243)
Behind every great man is a great woman.

Old wives tail.

kishnabe 01-29-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeMar (Post 6703161)
I find a little ironic that Murray brought in Lendl to win WIMBLEDON.

Lendl brought for Murray to win US Open!

jaggy 01-29-2013 04:39 PM

I'd bring in Rosol

sandiegoman 01-31-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaggy (Post 7178643)
I'd bring in Rosol

Rosol on grass is a goat

Povl Carstensen 02-01-2013 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 6701130)
Annacone has the experience of helping Sampras win majors. Though he hasn't stuck gold except when Federer beat Novak at RG11 and SW19 12.

Lendl has pushed Murray past his berating barrier. Murray reacted with pushing Novak to the brink in the 12 Aussie Semifinals.

Who do you think will give the best tactics and support that will help prevail Roger or Murray in the end!?

I think Annacone struck gold when Federer, after a comparatively bad run with dissapointing losses, from the fall of 11 went through a year that brought him back to nr 1.

martini1 02-02-2013 05:41 PM

One is coaching a guy close to the final 1/4 of his career, with 2 kids, and priorities in life shifting. One is coaching a hungry younger guy in prime.

Can't compare at all.

TennisLovaLova 02-03-2013 11:38 PM

On tt boards, post a poll including Roger Federer.
Regardless of the subject, Roger Federer wins.
Fact.

Povl Carstensen 02-04-2013 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TennisLovaLova (Post 7190011)
On tt boards, post a poll including Roger Federer.
Regardless of the subject, Roger Federer wins.
Fact.

No, for instance in a poll of who was to win AO, Djokovic came up 1. Fact.


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