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corners 07-24-2012 08:18 PM

Matched Pro Staff 6.1s: 90, 95, 100?
 
Has anyone matched both the Pro Staff 6.1 95 and 100 versions with the signature 90?

Seems like a very good project for TW's Chris :)

ART ART 07-25-2012 07:15 AM

Could you be more precise?

Match specs?
the new PS95 16x19, to reach the specs of the new PS90 ?

Right now I am playing with the new PS95 16x19, with this specs:
350gr
BP: 33,2cm
SW: 362
It's a dream to play with...

corners 07-25-2012 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ART ART (Post 6750892)
Could you be more precise?

Match specs?
the new PS95 16x19, to reach the specs of the new PS90 ?

Right now I am playing with the new PS95 16x19, with this specs:
350gr
BP: 33,2cm
SW: 362
It's a dream to play with...

Yeah, I meant match the 95 and 100 to the 90 specs. Lots of people seem to think the new 90 is a really good frame with specs very similar to the PS85. Lots of people also think the feel of the 95 and 100 is very good but complain about the low weight. I'm just wondering if anyone has matched all three and made an apples to apples comparison.

Mig1NC 07-25-2012 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corners (Post 6751022)
Yeah, I meant match the 95 and 100 to the 90 specs. Lots of people seem to think the new 90 is a really good frame with specs very similar to the PS85. Lots of people also think the feel of the 95 and 100 is very good but complain about the low weight. I'm just wondering if anyone has matched all three and made an apples to apples comparison.

Good question...

ART ART 07-25-2012 02:51 PM

The mold/constrution/stiffness of these 3 rackets is different, so the fell will allways be different.

Even with 2 rackets from the same mold, they could feel different, just because they can differ in stiffness.

Another important thing is the pattern, in a 90" the spaces will be allways different in some parts, from the others.

Swinging a 90" will allways be different than swinging a 95" or a 100" racket, even if they all share the same specs.

... so, they will never be same ;)

corners 07-25-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ART ART (Post 6751797)
The mold/constrution/stiffness of these 3 rackets is different, so the fell will allways be different.

Even with 2 rackets from the same mold, they could feel different, just because they can differ in stiffness.

Another important thing is the pattern, in a 90" the spaces will be allways different in some parts, from the others.

Swinging a 90" will allways be different than swinging a 95" or a 100" racket, even if they all share the same specs.

... so, they will never be same ;)

Of course they will still be different racquets even if the specs are made to match. But how good could they be if made to match a true Pro Staff spec?

Anyway, it's something I'd like to try but don't have the time. I was thinking some other aging Pro Staff afficianado might have tried it. The lighter 95 and 100 Pro Staffs have been largely written off because they are so light. But that's an easy thing to fix. I'm really curious how the 100 would play if brought up to player's spec.

Fed Kennedy 07-25-2012 04:24 PM

Corners, Im on it, I have a 95, taking suggestions on how to build it.

corners 07-25-2012 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fed Kennedy (Post 6751918)
Corners, Im on it, I have a 95, taking suggestions on how to build it.

Good man:)

I reckon you've got two nice smooth avenues:

1) Match it to its little big brother, the Pro Staff 6.1 90. People really seem to enjoy the lower swingweight of this version compared to the K and BLX90s. The specs (354 grams / 31.5 cm balance (9HL) / 324 swingweight are very similar to the Pro Staff 6.0 85 after all.

Add 7 grams at 12 o'clock. Two layers of 3.5" strips starting either side of the two center mains. (If you're not worried about restringing then go 2 layers of 7" strips centered.

The 95 has a higher twistweight stock (lots of mass at 3&9 to try and compensate for the low swingweight, I guess) than the 90. So adding lead at 3&9 would make it pretty sluggish, especially for someone grooving on the VCore 95.

To counterbalance: 21 grams 4 inches from the butt. This is the hard part. The stock grip is already as heavy as leather, so that easy route is closed. Best way would be to inject silicone in the handle, but that's quite a production. Another option would be to wrap 11 grams at the top of the handle and cram 10 grams of tape (or some fishing weights!) inside the buttcap trapdoor. Kind of a pain, and that's why Wilson uses metal rods inside the handle and metal plates under the handle foam to do their counterbalancing. You could always tape on a padlock :)

Edit: No, no. No padlocks required. Just take off the stock grip and wrap 84 inches of 1/4" leadtape (or 42 inches of 1/2" tape) from just above the buttcap to the top of the handle. If you're careful you'll get a nice smooth wrap because the tape is maleable enough to spiral without overlap. Then put the grip back on. The handle will be a little bigger.

2) Match it to your 95d. This is much easier because we don't need so much handleweight:

5 grams at 12 o'clock
+
6 grams inside the trap door. 6 grams of folded lead tape fits nicely inside the trap door. Just fold it so that it fits into the little "box" shape of the inside trap door cover. The thick Babolat 1/2" tape is really nice for this, but you could do it with regular tape too - just takes a bit more time. It there is any space left over between the lead inside the trap door cover and the black plastic end of the hairpin just cut a little piece of overgrip so it spaces the gap and prevents any vibration.

Gee, the second mod sure does look easier. Wilson should have put a lighter stock grip on the 95, which would have made it much simpler to bring it up to 90 spec by slapping leather on.

FlyingAce 07-26-2012 12:49 AM

I have PS95. Tried to match to PS90.

Added 15 grams overall:
5grams at 12, 3 at 6 & 9 and 7grams at the handle.

I have tried to make it depolorized.

Now :
Weight 360 gram, 7 HL.

Yet to try it.

FlyingAce 07-26-2012 12:50 AM

I mean polorized. any edit function available?

mykoh 07-26-2012 01:23 AM

awesome post corners. i'd feel like a mad scientist sticking all that weight on.

Mig1NC 07-26-2012 03:00 AM

Well, why don't you just go here: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/lear...tomization.php

plug the 100 specs into the left, and plug the 90 specs into the right, and click "Customize my racquet".

Mig1NC 07-26-2012 03:40 PM

Ok, so I went ahead and did it anyway. These are the results:

Two Location Solution
Weight / Location
10.0 gms / 22.8 in
43.0 gms / 4.3 in


Three Location Solution
Weight / Location
4.5 gms / 22.8 in
5.9 gms / 22.0 in
42.6 gms / 4.7 in

corners 07-26-2012 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mig1NC (Post 6754377)
Ok, so I went ahead and did it anyway. These are the results:

Two Location Solution
Weight / Location
10.0 gms / 22.8 in
43.0 gms / 4.3 in


Three Location Solution
Weight / Location
4.5 gms / 22.8 in
5.9 gms / 22.0 in
42.6 gms / 4.7 in

Why add 50+ grams to a 326 gram racquet if you're trying to match it to a 355 gram racquet? :)

Anyway, the calculators are awesome, but with matching problems like this the challenge is getting all that mass onto or in the handle. Actually, laying lead strips, or spiralling lead tape under the stock grip is probably the way to go. I've edited my first post above.

Mig1NC 07-27-2012 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corners (Post 6754425)
Why add 50+ grams to a 326 gram racquet if you're trying to match it to a 355 gram racquet? :)

Anyway, the calculators are awesome, but with matching problems like this the challenge is getting all that mass onto or in the handle. Actually, laying lead strips, or spiralling lead tape under the stock grip is probably the way to go. I've edited my first post above.

Agreed.

FYI, these are the TW specs I used on the calculator.

90
Strung Weight: 12.6oz / 357.2g

100
Strung Weight: 10.7oz / 303.34g

corners 07-27-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mig1NC (Post 6755209)
Agreed.

FYI, these are the TW specs I used on the calculator.

90
Strung Weight: 12.6oz / 357.2g

100
Strung Weight: 10.7oz / 303.34g

Oh, you're looking at matching the 100. That's a lot of weight to add! Silicone with some lead fishing weights embedded in it would be the way to go for that project.

Marcus 07-28-2012 02:41 AM

Just push 2 suitably sized nails into the foam filled handle !!

Mig1NC 07-28-2012 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus (Post 6757503)
Just push 2 suitably sized nails into the foam filled handle !!

After weighing them, of course :)

murky69nz 07-29-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus (Post 6757503)
Just push 2 suitably sized nails into the foam filled handle !!

Funny, that's exactly what I'm in the process of doing.....

I've got a PS95 and PS100 that I'm finding a little light (previously used a K90).

Never bothered modding frames previously, and think the idea of digging out the foam/silicon/wrapped lead tape etc was all a bit messy. I've purchased a range of stainless bolts (M8 and M6 guage, from 40mm to 100mm in 10mm increments), will drill out an equivalent hole through the foam, and slot them in there. The best part is I can just swap the bolt out for a shorter or longer one to vary the weight (there's only 3-4 gm between each size).

On the 95/100 - seems to me they're both ideally spec'd to beef us - majority of weight in the handle (one larger stainless bolt, or two smaller/narrower ones), and a little at 12 (or little more at 3&9) to up the swing weight......

Easy as pie....

murky69nz 08-01-2012 12:40 AM

I've played with some numbers on the TW Calculator.

Shooting for a total weight of 360gm, here's the two options I'm going to try

Option 1: 40gm in the handle, 12gm at 3&9
Option 2: 46gm in the handle, 6gm at 12 o'clock

Swingweight for both ends up being 325-326gm.


I know the theory about 3&9 vs 12 o'clock, but just interested what others think about the two options....


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