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bezerker 08-04-2012 11:46 AM

Allowing 2 5.0s to play 4.5 per team
 
Our USTA leagues are allowing two 5.0 rated players to play down per team. These players must play 1s or 1d. I'm shocked by the rule, but am happy about it. This is going into effect when our indoor leagues start next month. Is this nation wide? Anyone else heard about this?

Nostradamus 08-04-2012 11:52 AM

If they have no 5.0 division due to lack of teams, then what are they supposed to do ? Lay around and become couch potatoes and develop atherosclerosis and then what ?

Nostradamus 08-04-2012 11:57 AM

Also, we had this happen in our division and it is allowed under the circumstances i mentioned. but they were allowed to join the team that was in bottom half of division standings in previous season

TENNIS4FUN2 08-04-2012 12:17 PM

This is a new national rule that is in effect with the new age divisions for 2013. I think that they are also allowing two 5.5's to play on a 5.0 team (if your league has one).

bezerker 08-04-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus (Post 6780149)
If they have no 5.0 division due to lack of teams, then what are they supposed to do ? Lay around and become couch potatoes and develop atherosclerosis and then what ?

Umm what? I don't know what elicited this response. But yeah, we have 5.0 leagues as well. I guess it is nationwide. Was just curious.

JLyon 08-04-2012 12:44 PM

The new rule only applies to the 40+ 4.5 League, the 18+ League does not allow 5.0.
Also 5.0 Teams will be allowed 2 5.5's as well, but only one can play at a time in a team match.
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/2..._4_24_2012.pdf
See page 5

tenniscasey 08-04-2012 02:14 PM

What a weird new rule. I can't imagine a convincing justification for it. Seems like the USTA is actually encouraging sandbagging.

OrangePower 08-04-2012 03:46 PM

I've heard about this rule applying to the new 40+ 4.5 league, but was not aware it would apply to regular Adult as well. Maybe that's up to each section to decide?

In NorCal, the 2 5.0s can only play at either #1 singles or #1 dubs. Which will be interesting... USTA has always said that 'officially' there is no relevance to #1, #2, #3 in terms of order of strength, but clearly now they are contradicting themselves. It's gonna suck for the 5.0s - when teams face a team that has a strong 5.0 singles player for example, they will just concede that line by sacrificing a weak player in that position, knowing that the 5.0 has to be at #1.

Anyway, personally I'm excited about getting to play some 5.0s... not that I think I have much (any) chance, but still it's a nice challenge. Ask me again after the season though and I might have changed my mind depending on how bad the beatdowns have been!

At the team level, I think this is going to widen the gap between the top teams and the rest. The top teams will be able to attract 5.0s and will get stronger, and the weaker teams will just have more of an uphill battle.

onehandbh 08-04-2012 05:42 PM

I think it's a good rule. Now the army of
Craigslist and TW posters who are
5.0 - 5.5 will be able to play league.:)

wings56 08-05-2012 07:11 AM

its about time. i was going to let my usta membership lapse this year since i'm not able to play any league. this is by far the most exciting and best thing they possibly could have done to further the game.

TennisDawg 08-05-2012 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus (Post 6780149)
If they have no 5.0 division due to lack of teams, then what are they supposed to do ? Lay around and become couch potatoes and develop atherosclerosis and then what ?

I have no problem with letting them compete in 4.5s. My only question though is why many are so stand offish and see it as a waste of time when lower level players ask them to practice hit or play practice matches. Beats laying around right?

escii_35 08-05-2012 11:52 AM

The new 40+ league is all about providing playing opportunities for the aging tennis demographic. Previously singles slots for the older player were rare. A 5.0 slot for the 50+ player -> lol.

Right now I can spend $30+ for a chance in a no-add one and done singles tourney or be miserable playing dubs on a senior team. Unless there is lots of beer or cute things in skirts on the court I find dubs a big ick.

jservoss 08-06-2012 08:22 AM

I like the new rule for the 18+ 5.0 league. I've had too many friends who I can have fun competitive matches with who are stuck at 5.5 because of self rating rules or league results. The 5.5s I know that are interested in playing in the leagues are not so significantly stronger than the 5.0 players to ruin the league.

Conrads 08-06-2012 01:08 PM

its shouldn't be a big deal because on good usta 4.5 teams the #1s players and sometimes the doubles are 5.0s anyway

TommieF 08-07-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Conrads (Post 6787429)
its shouldn't be a big deal because on good usta 4.5 teams the #1s players and sometimes the doubles are 5.0s anyway

Very true. I also agree with orange's comment it will widen the gap. The top one or two teams in 4.5 will attract the top few 5.0 players. That's how I see it

5point5 09-10-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TennisDawg (Post 6783430)
I have no problem with letting them compete in 4.5s. My only question though is why many are so stand offish and see it as a waste of time when lower level players ask them to practice hit or play practice matches. Beats laying around right?

Because most of the time people like you tend to overestimate their own skill. No point in wasting our time when we could be making $$$ of you because essentially we are giving you a private lesson for free.

Setmatch45 09-10-2012 11:48 AM

It is going on in Middle States. Should be a good rule interesting as to how it will work out. I know 2 5.5 players who are going to try to go down to 5.0 for this and the abilty to go to nationals at both 4.5 and 5.0. Fill the sand bags!

kylebarendrick 09-10-2012 12:26 PM

I wonder if having 5.0 players play more matches against 4.5s will tend to drive their ratings toward 4.5 - once again having the ripple effect of pushing better players into having lower ratings.

McLovin 09-11-2012 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kylebarendrick (Post 6886078)
I wonder if having 5.0 players play more matches against 4.5s will tend to drive their ratings toward 4.5 - once again having the ripple effect of pushing better players into having lower ratings.

You could also take the stance that it will push 4.5s that *should* be rated as 5.0s up to where they need to be. If the 5.0 is 'bench marked' and the 4.5 is 'self rated', and the 4.5 wins, or loses in 3 sets, then they'll bump up the 4.5, not the other way around.

OrangePower 09-11-2012 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 6891344)
You could also take the stance that it will push 4.5s that *should* be rated as 5.0s up to where they need to be. If the 5.0 is 'bench marked' and the 4.5 is 'self rated', and the 4.5 wins, or loses in 3 sets, then they'll bump up the 4.5, not the other way around.

That's true, regardless of whether the 4.5 is self rated or not... if a 4.5 ends up playing a 5.0 and the score is close, the 4.5's dynamic rating will increase, whilt the 5.0s will decrease.

As to the net effect this whole thing has, it really depends on who ends up playing the 5.0s. IMO, if good 4.5s end up playing the 5.0s and do ok, the net effect will be more 5.0s (the good 4.5 may be promoted). But if bad 4.5s end up playing the 5.0s, the net effect will be less 5.0s - the 5.0s won't be trying hard, will lose more games than they should, and will end up possibly being demoted.


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