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Sabratha 08-08-2012 06:59 AM

What if Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal didn't exist?
 
Who would have won the grand slams from 2004-2010?

TopFH 08-08-2012 07:00 AM

All those "nobodies" like Roddick and Hewitt.

PCXL-Fan 08-08-2012 07:13 AM

Roddick +7 slams.
2003 Wimbledon:
Roddick
2004 Wimbledon:
Roddick

The mental slump that Roddick fell into is equivalent to the mental slump that Murray has just gotten out of. The constant losing to Federer and not winning any more slams REALLY got to Roddick.
Victories build confidence which and also create imposing figure for others to beat and builds knowledge & experience of how to win.

Roddick would have maintained his confidence in order to continue pre2005 attacking form and not the post 2005 pushing form. He'd probably have 7+ at least (3+ of which are Wimbledon). And discussion whether he's just below Agassi in best list (even though hes not).

martini1 08-08-2012 07:18 AM

Whoever got bounced out by Fedal the most in any F/SF during that time.

Jack Romeo 08-08-2012 08:15 AM

i'll try:

2003 wimbledon - philippousis
2004 australia - safin (or ferrero)
2004 wimbledon - roddick
2004 us - hewitt
2005 french - coria
2005 wimbledon - roddick
2005 us - agassi
2006 australia - baghdatis (or nalbandian)
2006 french - ljubicic (or nalbandian)
2006 wimbledon - baghdatis
2006 us - roddick
2007 australia - gonzalez (or roddick)
2007 french - djokovic (or davydenko)
2007 wimbledon - djokovic
2007 us - djokovic
2008 french - djokovic
2008 wimbledon - safin
2008 us - murray (or djokovic)
2009 australia - roddick (or verdasco)
2009 french - soderling
2009 wimbledon - roddick
2010 australia - murray
2010 french - soderling
2010 wimbledon - berdych (or murray)
2010 us - djokovic
2011 french - djokovic (so novak would have won calendar slam in 2011)
2012 french - djokovic (novak would have won an unprecedented seven straight slams)
2012 wimbledon - murray (or djokovic)

6-1 6-3 6-0 08-08-2012 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Romeo (Post 6791291)
i'll try:

2003 wimbledon - philippousis
2004 australia - safin (or ferrero)
2004 wimbledon - roddick
2004 us - hewitt
2005 french - coria
2005 wimbledon - roddick
2005 us - agassi
2006 australia - baghdatis (or nalbandian)
2006 french - ljubicic (or nalbandian)
2006 wimbledon - baghdatis
2006 us - roddick
2007 australia - gonzalez (or roddick)
2007 french - djokovic (or davydenko)
2007 wimbledon - djokovic
2007 us - djokovic
2008 french - djokovic
2008 wimbledon - safin
2008 us - murray (or djokovic)
2009 australia - roddick (or verdasco)
2009 french - soderling
2009 wimbledon - roddick
2010 australia - murray
2010 french - soderling
2010 wimbledon - berdych (or murray)
2010 us - djokovic
2011 french - djokovic (so novak would have won calendar slam in 2011)
2012 french - djokovic (novak would have won an unprecedented seven straight slams)
2012 wimbledon - murray (or djokovic)

I think 2012 Wimbledon will have definitely been Murray, and I think Del Potro would have beaten Soderling in the final of French Open 2009 (has a 4-1 H2H against Soderling, and has won their only clay encounter in Estoril, 6-4 7-5).

6-1 6-3 6-0 08-08-2012 08:31 AM

Tommy Haas may have also been a competitor for the 2009 Wimbledon title, having made the semi-final. Against Roddick, he leads 7-6. Not much of a lead, but it's a competitive H2H.

Jack Romeo 08-08-2012 09:04 AM

it's amazing that djokovic could possibly have at least 12 slams already if not for federer and nadal. and they might have come in streaks of 5 consecutive and 7 consecutive slams, including a non-calendar year slam and a calendar year slam.

Jack Romeo 08-08-2012 09:06 AM

meanwhile, hewitt would have added only 1 slam and roddick would add 5.

Frying Pan Forehand 08-08-2012 09:08 AM

then clowns like Murray would actually have a slam.

Jack Romeo 08-08-2012 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0 (Post 6791301)
I think 2012 Wimbledon will have definitely been Murray, and I think Del Potro would have beaten Soderling in the final of French Open 2009 (has a 4-1 H2H against Soderling, and has won their only clay encounter in Estoril, 6-4 7-5).

i wasn't sure about their head to head. so maybe you're guess is better.

Polaris 08-08-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabratha
What if Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal didn't exist?

All the self-appointed cross-era pundits would say that it is an exceptionally strong era with so many people in with a fighting chance to win.

Swissv2 08-08-2012 09:17 AM

we would have someone else that would enter the tennis scene that would take Roger's and Rafa's place. There seems to be always one or two dominant player within the field at any time during history.

kalyan4fedever 08-08-2012 09:22 AM

There would not have been djokovic 2.0 and tennis used to be a much sad place. These 2 players brought the best out of many.

kishnabe 08-08-2012 09:38 AM

2003 Wimbledon - Roddick
2004 Australia - Safin
2004 French Open- Coria
2004 Wimbledon - Roddick
2004 US - Hewitt
2005 Australia-Safin
2005 French - Davydenko
2005 Wimbledon - Hewitt
2005 US - Agassi
2006 Australia - Haas
2006 French - Djokovic
2006 Wimbledon - Baghdatis
2006 US - Roddick
2007 Australia - Gonzalez
2007 French - Davydenko
2007 Wimbledon - Djokovic
2007 US - Djokovic
2008 Australia- Djokovic
2008 French - Djokovic
2008 Wimbledon - Safin
2008 US - Murray
2009 Australia - Roddick
2009 French - Del Potro
2009 Wimbledon - Roddick
2009 US- Del Potro
2010 Australia - Murray
2010 French - Soderling
2010 Wimbledon - Berdych
2010 US - Murray
2011 Australia- Djokovic
2011 French -Djokovic
2011 Wimbledon- Murray
2011 US-Djokovic
2012 Australia-Berdych
2012 French - Djokovic
2012 Wimbledon - Murray

MG1 08-08-2012 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 6791496)
2003 Wimbledon - Roddick
2004 Australia - Safin
2004 French Open- Coria
2004 Wimbledon - Roddick
2004 US - Hewitt
2005 Australia-Safin
2005 French - Davydenko
2005 Wimbledon - Hewitt
2005 US - Agassi
2006 Australia - Haas
2006 French - Djokovic
2006 Wimbledon - Baghdatis
2006 US - Roddick
2007 Australia - Gonzalez
2007 French - Davydenko
2007 Wimbledon - Djokovic
2007 US - Djokovic
2008 Australia- Djokovic
2008 French - Djokovic
2008 Wimbledon - Safin
2008 US - Murray
2009 Australia - Roddick
2009 French - Del Potro
2009 Wimbledon - Roddick
2009 US- Del Potro
2010 Australia - Murray
2010 French - Soderling
2010 Wimbledon - Berdych
2010 US - Murray
2011 Australia- Djokovic
2011 French -Djokovic
2011 Wimbledon- Murray
2011 US-Djokovic
2012 Australia-Berdych
2012 French - Djokovic
2012 Wimbledon - Murray

2007 wimbledon -Djokovic???:-?:-?

Eureka 08-08-2012 10:05 AM

Federer is a genius. He has played the game like no other can, and in his absence whilst others might have won the titles he has, not one of them could / can play as he does. His contribution to the sport is unique.

I have no comment to make about Nadal, other than he has collected lots of titles. These would obviously go to others.

elpolaco84 08-08-2012 02:52 PM

forums full of: "Coria the king of clay" (of his generation)

"who's a better grass courter Roddick or sampras?"

Safin with more titles AO and USOs having reached al major finals
and a couple of WTFs

and so on...

Mustard 08-08-2012 05:00 PM

All right, I'll give it a go:

2003 Wimbledon: Mark Philippoussis
2003 US Open: Andy Roddick
2004 Australian Open: Lleyton Hewitt
2004 French Open: Gaston Gaudio
2004 Wimbledon: Lleyton Hewitt
2004 US Open: Lleyton Hewitt
2005 Australian Open: Marat Safin
2005 French Open: Guillermo Coria
2005 Wimbledon: Lleyton Hewitt
2005 US Open: Lleyton Hewitt
2006 Australian Open: Marcos Baghdatis
2006 French Open: David Nalbandian
2006 Wimbledon: Marcos Baghdatis
2006 US Open: Andy Roddick
2007 Australian Open: Fernando Gonzalez
2007 French Open: Nikolay Davydenko
2007 Wimbledon: Richard Gasquet
2007 US Open: Novak Djokovic
2008 Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
2008 French Open: Novak Djokovic
2008 Wimbledon: Marat Safin
2008 US Open: Andy Murray
2009 Australian Open: Fernando Verdasco
2009 French Open: Robin Soderling
2009 Wimbledon: Andy Roddick
2009 US Open: Juan Martin del Potro
2010 Australian Open: Andy Murray
2010 French Open: Robin Soderling
2010 Wimbledon: Andy Murray
2010 US Open: Novak Djokovic
2011 Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
2011 French Open: Novak Djokovic
2011 Wimbledon: Novak Djokovic
2011 US Open: Novak Djokovic
2012 Australian Open: Novak Djokovic
2012 French Open: Novak Djokovic
2012 Wimbledon: Andy Murray

This would mean:

Novak Djokovic: 10 majors
Lleyton Hewitt: 7 majors
Andy Murray: 4 majors
Marat Safin: 3 majors
Andy Roddick: 3 majors
Marcos Baghdatis: 2 majors
Robin Soderling: 2 majors
Mark Philippoussis: 1 major
Gaston Gaudio: 1 major
Guillermo Coria: 1 major
David Nalbandian: 1 major
Fernando Gonzalez: 1 major
Nikolay Davydenko: 1 major
Richard Gasquet: 1 major
Fernando Verdasco: 1 major
Juan Martin del Potro: 1 major


Instead, in reality, we have:

Roger Federer: 17 majors
Rafael Nadal: 11 majors
Novak Djokovic: 5 majors
Lleyton Hewitt: 2 majors
Marat Safin: 2 majors
Andy Roddick: 1 major
Gaston Gaudio: 1 major
Juan Martin del Potro: 1 major

smoledman 08-08-2012 05:02 PM

BS thread, because of the butterfly effect. If Federer and Nadal never existed how would have tennis evolved in the 2000s? There is no way to project the finalists would have been the same.


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