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McEnroeisanartist 08-08-2012 07:37 AM

Should all the Majors go to 5th Set Tiebreak
 
Should all the Majors go to a 5th Set Tiebreak rather than having to win by 2 games.

It seems there have been countless matches that people remember or consider classic that went beyond 6 games all.

Whereas, how many matches are considered great that ended in a 5th set tiebreaker? The few that come to mind:

Rosewall-Laver - 1972 WTC Final
McEnroe-Connors - 1980 U.S. Open semifinal - such an anticlimatic finish
Becker-Lendl - 1988 Masters Final
Connors-Krickstein - 1991 U.S. Open 4th Round - somehow seemed inevitable that Connors would win
Nadal-Federer - 2006 Rome Final - most people didn't watch the match live
Agassi-Blake - 2006 U.S. Open quarterfinal

Any other classics that I am missing?

BevelDevil 08-08-2012 04:32 PM

Yes, they're more exciting.

Mustard 08-08-2012 04:41 PM

No. I only like them at the US Open.

westside 08-08-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6792344)
No. I only like them at the US Open.

This.

Love watching a good 5th set epic

veroniquem 08-08-2012 05:29 PM

For suspense, excitement, nothing beats no TB in the 5th. I wish the USO would cancel the TB in the 5th. To me, that was a very bad decision. And for the sake of fairness too. I hate seeing a several hour battle getting settled by a TB, complete anti-climax and diminishes the value of the long effort the players had to produce to get that far.

Mustard 08-08-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 6792434)
For suspense, excitement, nothing beats no TB in the 5th. I wish the USO would cancel the TB in the 5th. To me, that was a very bad decision. And for the sake of fairness too. I hate seeing a few hours battle getting settled by a TB, complete anti-climax and diminishes the value of the long effort the players had to produce to get that far.

The suspense factor is precisely why I like fifth set tiebreaks at the US Open. It suits the character of the tournament. At the other majors, I would hate fifth set tiebreaks.

veroniquem 08-08-2012 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6792438)
The suspense factor is precisely why I like fifth set tiebreaks at the US Open. It suits the character of the tournament. At the other majors, I would hate fifth set tiebreaks.

Why does it suit the character of the tournament? I don't understand the "character" difference between AO and USO.

Ico 08-08-2012 05:33 PM

How many matches have actually used the fifth set tiebreaker in recent-ish years? I know Wimbledon produces a lot of serve-fest fifth sets that drag on but I can't remember being let down by a tiebreaker at the end of an epic in New York.

tennisaddict 08-08-2012 05:34 PM

They should have 5th set tiebreaker for all matches except finals.

It is senseless when you have a 7 match tournament , where potentially Fed can meet Delpo or Novak against Isner in the round of 16 and for the winner it is impossible to win the next match, where if they had a 5th set tiebreak anyone of Fed/Delpo/Novak can go on to win the major.

This is one of the few reasons why USO ranks highly for some.

veroniquem 08-08-2012 05:37 PM

And this is the reason why the USO ranks lowly for me. That + playing the semis on Saturday which is a shame and a scandal and greatly affects the final result.

Mustard 08-08-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 6792440)
Why does it suit the character of the tournament? I don't understand the "character" difference between AO and USO.

The US Open has that gladitorial feel. The other majors don't have that same feel. The Australian Open is easy going, Wimbledon is theatrical, and the French Open is a grindfest.

veroniquem 08-08-2012 05:45 PM

Well, I'm sure gladiators would have chosen the no TB option :) (blood and tears!) but thanks for the explanation.

Magnetite 08-08-2012 05:45 PM

Keep it at the US Open, but leave it out of RG and Wimbledon. The AO can do whatever they want.

It's nice having variety. It's better that they don't homogenise everything.

Feņa14 08-08-2012 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 6792449)
And this is the reason why the USO ranks lowly for me. That + playing the semis on Saturday which is a shame and a scandal and greatly affects the final result.

I'm with you there, not really a big fan of the US Open in general, for many reasons it just feels like another North American hard court tournament, of which there are many. You see the blue courts and US Open series backdrops throughout the summer, you get to New York and it's the same. The tie-break in a final set is standard for every other tournament, for me personally I don't like to see it in a major.

I'll admit it's come in handy with all the poor weather we've had at the tournament over the last however many years. 5, 5 set matches over the course of 7 days is tough as it is! Some of those finishing 17-15 in the 5th must be hell for organisers and the players :)

Al Czervik 08-08-2012 05:47 PM

I have come around on this through the years. I always hated the US Open for that fifth set tiebreaker. Now, I think it's right, especially the way the game has become a war of attrition. That fifth set in Australia this year would have had no business going to something like 12-10. It was already a marathon. I think the tiebreak puts more incentive on the players to fight for the break of serve. I do think Olympics had it right to play out the third since the tournament had such great importance and they simply didn't have time for five set matches.

Mustard 08-08-2012 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 6792463)
Well, I'm sure gladiators would have chosen the no TB option :) (blood and tears!) but thanks for the explanation.

The crowd in the arena wouldn't though ;)

veroniquem 08-08-2012 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Magnetite (Post 6792465)
Keep it at the US Open, but leave it out of RG and Wimbledon. The AO can do whatever they want.

It's nice having variety. It's better that they don't homogenise everything.

Actually, I'd like for the slams to have the exact same rules, they're worth the same amount of points, they have the same # of matches with same number of sets, same # of players. To me they should also adopt the same policy about TBs if possible. It should be the majority rule, so the USO should align on the other 3.

Mustard 08-08-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by veroniquem (Post 6792476)
Actually, I'd like for the slams to have the exact same rules, they're worth the same amount of points, they have the same # of matches with same number of sets, same # of players. To me they should also adopt the same policy about TBs if possible. It should be the majority rule, so the USO should align on the other 3.

They will never come to an agreement, anyway. The US Open has fifth set tiebreaks so that the length of a match can be predicted to a certain extent, thinking of TV schedules. The French Open and Wimbledon value tradition highly, so will stick with no tiebreaks in the fifth set.

I like the rules as they are. As I said before, I'd hate fifth set tiebreaks at the Australian Open, French Open or Wimbledon. There was fuss from McEnroe in 2010 after the Isner vs. Mahut epic.

MichaelNadal 08-08-2012 08:13 PM

Not at all, I like the fact that only the USO does. Nothing about tennis scoring/history should be changed at this point.

Sentinel 08-08-2012 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict (Post 6792447)
They should have 5th set tiebreaker for all matches except finals.

Agree with this.

Or at least go in for a tie-break after 8-8 or 10-10.


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