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ninman 09-03-2012 09:27 PM

Oscar Pistorius complains his opponents legs are too long
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/19462059

So he's apologised for saying that his opponents legs were too long, giving him an unfair advantage. What do you guys think? Bearing in mind he said his legs did not give him an advantage, so he could compete in the normal olympics.

Timbo's hopeless slice 09-03-2012 09:35 PM

missing the point, as usual.

Pistorius' legs are in proportion to the rest of his body.

If you look at the Brazillian guy, his prosthetics are HUGE!

its actually kind of funny, if you look at them at the medal presentation, Oscar is half a head taller than Alan, but in the race it is the other way round!!!

Bartelby 09-03-2012 09:42 PM

Apparently Pistorius had to wear a shorter pair than was possible for him in order to compete in the regular Olympics and he therefore had to remain in them for the current ones.

So he 'shot himself in the foot', pardon the bad pun, and now he wants the rule changed.

The longer pair that others wore in the current games may give the others an advantage, but that's why he couldn't wear them in the regular games.

Its his problem as he thought he could do both with his shorter legs, but he can't.

Timbo's hopeless slice 09-03-2012 10:26 PM

ohh, ok, that makes sense.

there probably ought to be something clear cut in the rules, but there obviously isn't

ninman 09-03-2012 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo's hopeless slice (Post 6862750)
ohh, ok, that makes sense.

there probably ought to be something clear cut in the rules, but there obviously isn't

I think the biggest problem is that he qualified for both types of olympics. Are there any other athletes in the olympics that can compete in the paralympics? It should be one or the other.

Timbo's hopeless slice 09-03-2012 10:41 PM

I think it is a bit like a 4.5 tournament and an open tournament.

you have to be a 4.5 to play in the former, but ANYONE can enter the latter..

maybe not the best analogy in history, but do you see what I mean?

Benhur 09-04-2012 02:57 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...oly&id=8333089
[...]
The formula that determines the length of blades allowed calculates the predicted height of an athlete, plus 3.5 percent to account for the on-toes running position.

Pistorius' maximum allowable height is 1.93 meters, yet he opts to stand at 1.84m in blades that were subjected to stringent testing in 2008 to show they provide no advantage when competing alongside able-bodied rivals.

Oliveira, whose limit is 1.85 meters, claimed Monday that his blades gave him a race height of 1.81 the previous night.

"The coaches and I decided to try a higher blade," Oliveira was quoted as saying by The Guardian. "I tried the new height for the first time last year and it was difficult to get used to them. I decided to try them again earlier this year and it went a little bit better. Three weeks ago, we decided to really go for it.

"The prosthesis don't run alone. Of course they are good for an improvement, but there is not a significant time difference."

While Pistorius claimed it was an unfair race because he couldn't compete with Oliveira's stride length, South African sports scientist Ross Tucker found that the loser in fact took six fewer steps than the winner.

"The leg-length issue is an `advantage' that Pistorius has always had, and we've been watching him compete for years not knowing if he's done the exact same thing as he is now accusing Oliveira of," Tucker wrote in an analysis of the race on his SportsScientists.com website.

Benhur 09-06-2012 08:41 AM

The article linked below is interesting, but it doesn’t really get to the heart of the matter. The pool of double amputee runners is very small. Assuming the “cheetahs” do not provide any net advantage, implies the assumption that Pistorius could have naturally been a top level full bodied runner if his legs had not been amputated. Okay, it’s certainly possible, even if the probability has to be rather low. But whatever that probability might be, let’s say something that may be expected to happen once in X years on average, it drops exponentially if you just add another runner emerging at the same time, for whom you must make the same assumptions. The odds become prohibitive very quickly.

It seems to me the notion that cheetah runners and full-bodied runners are competing in the same sport (or at least under equal conditions) is nothing but wishful thinking. The length of the blades of the guy who beat him was well within the rules, and he could himself run on longer blades if he wished. So now all the focus is on the length, AS IF all the other huge differences between blades and legs didn’t exist. If differences in length are relevant, why are differences in spring action or differences in weight (alowing faster leg swings) between normal legs and blades considered irrelevant? We are now reading that Pistorius blades had been "confirmed" not to provide an advantage. This is complete nonsense. No such thing was ever confirmed. The only thing that was confirmed is that the net balance of advantages vs disadvantages is hard to determine.

The scenario described in the opening paragraph of the article below is probably much less farfetched than most of us may think.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...e7be08051d0860

augustobt 09-06-2012 09:05 AM

Oscar Mimimistorius.


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