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Headshotterer 09-09-2012 09:29 PM

This is the real GOAT
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Court

The Meat 09-10-2012 10:02 AM

So the GOAT has to be a strong critic against homosexuality as well? Interesting to know headshotterer

Limpinhitter 09-10-2012 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Headshotterer (Post 6884355)

Why is that?

Limpinhitter 09-10-2012 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat (Post 6885469)
So the GOAT has to be a strong critic against homosexuality as well? Interesting to know headshotterer

I try not to hold a tennis player's primitive, bigoted, belief system against her. I prefer to judge her by her play on the court.

RF20Lennon 09-10-2012 10:27 AM

Very nice arguments I think everyone on this forum is now completely convinced!

Headshotterer 09-10-2012 12:08 PM

To be a goat, you need 25 slams.

Limpinhitter 09-10-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Headshotterer (Post 6885926)
To be a goat, you need 25 slams.

Margaret Court has 1 slam.

treblings 09-10-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Limpinhitter (Post 6886302)
Margaret Court has 1 slam.

i count 2:)

BTURNER 09-10-2012 02:58 PM

"Court reached the final in 29, the semifinals in 36, and the quarterfinals in 43 of the 47 Grand Slams singles tournaments she played. She won 11 of the 16 Grand Slam singles tournaments she entered beginning with the 1969 Australian Open and ending with the 1973 US Open. She also won 11 of the 17 Grand Slam singles tournaments she entered, beginning with the 1962 Australian Championships and ending with the 1966 Australian Championships. Court was 146–2 (98.6%) against unseeded players in Grand Slam singles tournaments.
Court is the only player to have won the Grand Slam in both singles and mixed doubles. She won the singles Grand Slam in 1970, the mixed doubles Grand Slam in 1963 with fellow Australian Ken Fletcher, and the mixed doubles Grand Slam in 1965 with three different partners (Fletcher, John Newcombe and Fred Stolle).
Court won more than half of the Grand Slam events held in 1963 (8 of 12), 1964 (7 of 12), 1965 (9 of 12), 1969 (8 of 12), 1970 (7 of 11) and 1973 (6 of 11)."

So much depends on how we weigh doubles and mixed when determining GOAT status. She is right up there even if we don't. There are two caveats to her majors stats. obviously some did not regard those Australian draws as worthy of major status. There are also those who feel Court got a little lucky that Bueno had two huge medical impairments during the height of her career, which coincided with more wins for Margaret. Very roughly comparable to minimizing Graf's accomplishments, or Everts, because of a stabbed rival or a bad back and burnout ( Austin)

BobbyOne 09-10-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BTURNER (Post 6887781)
"Court reached the final in 29, the semifinals in 36, and the quarterfinals in 43 of the 47 Grand Slams singles tournaments she played. She won 11 of the 16 Grand Slam singles tournaments she entered beginning with the 1969 Australian Open and ending with the 1973 US Open. She also won 11 of the 17 Grand Slam singles tournaments she entered, beginning with the 1962 Australian Championships and ending with the 1966 Australian Championships. Court was 146–2 (98.6%) against unseeded players in Grand Slam singles tournaments.
Court is the only player to have won the Grand Slam in both singles and mixed doubles. She won the singles Grand Slam in 1970, the mixed doubles Grand Slam in 1963 with fellow Australian Ken Fletcher, and the mixed doubles Grand Slam in 1965 with three different partners (Fletcher, John Newcombe and Fred Stolle).
Court won more than half of the Grand Slam events held in 1963 (8 of 12), 1964 (7 of 12), 1965 (9 of 12), 1969 (8 of 12), 1970 (7 of 11) and 1973 (6 of 11)."

So much depends on how we weigh doubles and mixed when determining GOAT status. She is right up there even if we don't. There are two caveats to her majors stats. obviously some did not regard those Australian draws as worthy of major status. There are also those who feel Court got a little lucky that Bueno had two huge medical impairments during the height of her career, which coincided with more wins for Margaret. Very roughly comparable to minimizing Graf's accomplishments, or Everts, because of a stabbed rival or a bad back and burnout ( Austin)

Court has won more than 200 tournaments (Andrew Tas has the correct number).

kiki 09-11-2012 03:26 AM

Court was really the first modern pro player in the women´s ranks and is one of its best.

TMF 09-11-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Headshotterer (Post 6884355)

The Tennis Channel disagree.

BobbyOne 09-11-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6892641)
The Tennis Channel disagree.

Whoever goes along Tennis Channel proves he/she does not know about tennis.

Mustard 09-11-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6892641)
The Tennis Channel disagree.

The Tennis Channel thinks Roy Emerson is better than Pancho Gonzales.

kiki 09-11-2012 01:03 PM

The Tennis Channel is a bunch of journeymen journalists that cannot differentiate a volley from an overhead.

hoodjem 09-11-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6892641)
The Tennis Channel disagree.

The Tennis Channel (and plenty of players) are subject to that dreaded disease known as "black and white flavor of the month," also known as "hyperbolic prisoner of the moment".

They will say that player X is the greatest right after X wins a tournament right now, but it will player Y in a month, and player Z in another month. Plus they will say "of all time" when they really mean "that I have played" or "that I have ever seen" or "that I know of."

Here's an example:
"For me she's the greatest player of all time," Azarenka said. "She took the game to the next level.
"She makes me always make sure that I'm taking my game, my personality, my physical aspect to the next level.
"Today I was close. I'm going to have, for sure, another opportunity to make something better. That's what I'm looking for."

pc1 09-11-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6892641)
The Tennis Channel disagree.

When are you going to get off the Tennis Channel kick? Yes it's a fact, everyone on the Tennis Channel list is exactly as good as they say he or she is. I guess if you truly believe that I can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge?

TMF 09-12-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BobbyOne (Post 6892725)
Whoever goes along Tennis Channel proves he/she does not know about tennis.

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6892760)
The Tennis Channel thinks Roy Emerson is better than Pancho Gonzales.

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Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6892765)
The Tennis Channel is a bunch of journeymen journalists that cannot differentiate a volley from an overhead.

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Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 6892867)
The Tennis Channel (and plenty of players) are subject to that dreaded disease known as "black and white flavor of the month," also known as "hyperbolic prisoner of the moment".

If you don't like the tennis channel top 100 list, then just disagee but don't insult them. These are experts/journalists/ex-players that supported the list, not from some unknown fans from the internet. Your own top 100 list would get scrutinize by the experts and they can criticize you too.

Also, the tennis channel is not the only source that don't have Court as the greatest female player, so don't act like this is the first time you ever heard.

treblings 09-12-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6895350)
If you don't like the tennis channel top 100 list, then just disagee but don't insult them. These are experts/journalists/ex-players that supported the list, not from some unknown fans from the internet. Your own top 100 list would get scrutinize by the experts and they can criticize you too.

Also, the tennis channel is not the only source that don't have Court as the greatest female player, so don't act like this is the first time you ever heard.

you call that insults?:) believe me, media people are not that easily insulted

BTURNER 09-12-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6895350)
If you don't like the tennis channel top 100 list, then just disagee but don't insult them. These are experts/journalists/ex-players that supported the list, not from some unknown fans from the internet. Your own top 100 list would get scrutinize by the experts and they can criticize you too.

Also, the tennis channel is not the only source that don't have Court as the greatest female player, so don't act like this is the first time you ever heard.

I think the general idea is that you do your own thinking and justifying of you position rather than provide the tennis channel as, well, anything more than a fairly shallow cover. I just don't think many folks here, are remotely impressed by such, or by what the tennis channel claims as historically relevant criteria on which to base critical analysis.


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