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Matheson 09-10-2012 09:28 PM

Is Andy Murray the greatest pusher of all time?
 
Murray has really improved his pushing game. I mean it was good before but wow he managed to beat Djokovic finally.

darrinbaker00 09-10-2012 09:33 PM

Is Andy Murray the greatest pusher of all time? No, because pushers don't even make an ATP qualifying draw, much less win the US Open.

Funbun 09-10-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Matheson (Post 6890701)
Murray has really improved his pushing game. I mean it was good before but wow he managed to beat Djokovic finally.

How about you play Andy Murray and let's see who becomes the pusher.

Did you even watch the match? Murray's a counterpuncher, not a pusher.

Passion4Tennis 09-10-2012 10:03 PM

The posts by Darrin and Funbun sum it up well. I'm getting tired of seeing so
many threads/posts about Murray being labeled as a "pusher". It's really absurd.
There are NO pushers at that level.

DeShaun 09-10-2012 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Passion4Tennis (Post 6890780)
The posts by Darrin and Funbun sum it up well. I'm getting tired of seeing so
many threads/posts about Murray being labeled as a "pusher". It's really absurd.
There are NO pushers at that level.

He is getting better about generating pace for purposes of active attack, but he has spent a long time absorbing pace for purposes of eliciting errors with his great feel for the ball. So, it's nice to see him crank up his ground strokes and do some actual killing as opposed to indirectly encouraging his opponent's death because attack tennis is decisive and fast whereas entrapment tennis is necessarily slower and protracted and if we're going to slow the points down I would rather watch serve and volley played with less powerful rackets instead of power pong with liberal amounts of defense being tactically dominant.

AnotherTennisProdigy 09-10-2012 10:47 PM

No, because he's not a pusher. Pushers don't serve at 130 mph.

Zarfot Z 09-10-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinbaker00 (Post 6890713)
Is Andy Murray the greatest pusher of all time? No, because pushers don't even make an ATP qualifying draw, much less win the US Open.

You've obviously never heard of Lleyton Hewitt.

TennisLovaLova 09-10-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarfot Z (Post 6890934)
You've obviously never heard of Lleyton Hewitt.

At least Lleyton managed to finish the point by himself instead of waiting and provoking and UE from his opponents
Did you watch the match yesterday? Murray kept pushing the ball from his baseline to the middle of Djoko's!!!!

23-25 hits rallies almost all concluded by an UE

Fedex 09-10-2012 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passion4Tennis (Post 6890780)
The posts by Darrin and Funbun sum it up well. I'm getting tired of seeing so
many threads/posts about Murray being labeled as a "pusher". It's really absurd.
There are NO pushers at that level.

The people that write this crap tend to be nasty immature 14 year olds or younger.

Fedex 09-10-2012 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TennisLovaLova (Post 6890972)
At least Lleyton managed to finish the point by himself instead of waiting and provoking and UE from his opponents
Did you watch the match yesterday? Murray kept pushing the ball from his baseline to the middle of Djoko's!!!!

23-25 hits rallies almost all concluded by an UE

Yes I watched the whole match.
The only pushing I saw from Murray was him pushing Djokovic from one side of the court to the other with hard precise shots alternating into the corners until even Djokovic broke down in the end.
No one has ever done that to prime Djokovic.
And in that wind it took even more skill.
Anyone trying to deny Murray the win, and the manner of it, is despicable, bitter and biased.
Wait a minute. Am I arguing with a 14 year old?

Marcus2137 09-10-2012 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Funbun (Post 6890729)
How about you play Andy Murray and let's see who becomes the pusher.

Did you even watch the match? Murray's a counterpuncher, not a pusher.

Agreed. I hate that it's so popular/cliche to call everyone pushers unless they hit winners on every point.

If Murray is a pusher than Agassi was a pusher, as was Michael Chang and many other greats.

Funny how a few years ago these guys were all considered great counter-punchers, but by today's forum-"GOATS" they would all be classified as pushers.

I agree, someone who calls Murray a pusher has 1. either never played/seen a real pusher, or 2. hasn't been watching matches.

I saw good serving, net points, aggressive forehands and backhands, balls contently clipping lines, shot after shot hit right to the corners with pace, etc. These guys are taking a lot more risk than anyone who could be defined as a true pusher.

Don't mistake long rallies as pushing. Long rallies are simply the effect of slower conditions we have today compared to 10-15+ years ago.

paulorenzo 09-11-2012 12:30 AM

Relative to the top 4, murray is able to be a pusher, an all out aggressor, or somewhere in between. He adapts whichever style he thinks would get him the win. Today, given the conditions, he was having success outlasting djokovic from the baseline with emphasis on control, defense,and consistency while still peppering up his shots occasionally, naturally, he stuck with that. In relation to the very top of the game and the level its played in, both murray and djokovic counterpunched well today but both had moments where they were pushing (not 3.5 pushing but top 4 pushing, all things relative) largely because of the conditions. Had the weather been calmer, i imagine their strokes would have been nuch less conservative.

Russeljones 09-11-2012 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Passion4Tennis (Post 6890780)
There are NO pushers at that level.

Only 3 of the top 4 in the world. A pusher is someone who lacks the shotmaking or physical ability (or both) to end a point. Someone who is more concerned about sending the ball over the net, cross-court preferably. You saw two prime examples of pushing yesterday when two of the ATP's finest frequently ran from corner to corner without really looking over the net because their skills almost mirror one another.

Murray mixed it up with the odd terrible dropshot that he knew Novak would get to. And any attempt to name that 'calling to the net' is just excusing the limited imagination of the player. Novak's idea of variation was rushing the net after a ridiculously poor slice.

I am sure court development (speed harmonization) and the proliferation of defensive tennis will one day make this a dignified and workman-like style of tennis no player should be ashamed of. However, I for one fail to understand why a player of such stature must wait until the XXth shot in a rally to attempt a flat forehand.

Federer20042006 09-11-2012 12:50 AM

Murray has arguably the most all-around power of anyone on tour. Serves up to the high 130's. Apparently has the world record forehand. And he has hit many backhands over 100 MPH.

Russeljones 09-11-2012 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Federer20042006 (Post 6891078)
Murray has arguably the most all-around power of anyone on tour. Serves up to the high 130's. Apparently has the world record forehand. And he has hit many backhands over 100 MPH.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics

TennisLovaLova 09-11-2012 01:08 AM

pusher or not his game was designed to win a GS which he succeeded to do, but his game= ugly tennis
just check his mom's latest interviews she says this

tank_job 09-11-2012 01:26 AM

Do you know how big Murray is?

He is the tallest of the big 4 and also the heaviest-built out of them. He has the biggest 1st serve. Since when do you call someone with a heavy first serve that knocked Djokovic down in a GS final a pusher?

He can generate easy power, always off the backhand wing, but can also, as the radar gun shows, hit some of the fastest FH's ever (like the one against Fish).

With his build and physical attributes, you'd actually think Murray would actually be a ballbasher, but he has the very rare ability to move exceptionally well for his height play small man and big man tennis. This is why he gives other players fits.

Torres 09-11-2012 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tank_job (Post 6891115)
Do you know how big Murray is?

He looks pretty big in the photo below.


Fedex 09-11-2012 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Torres (Post 6891197)
He looks pretty big in the photo below.

Ha ha. That was funny and the perfect reply.
A picture paints a thousand words.

TheF1Bob 09-11-2012 03:12 AM

He knows how to play inside tornadoes, that's for damn sure.


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