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smoledman 10-05-2012 11:10 AM

Why Nadal is better than Fed.
 
We all know how dominant they are on their best surfaces. Nadal on clay. Federer on hard/grass. But how well do they do on their weakest?

Nadal has 10 big hard/grass titles
Federer has 7 big clay titles

But more importantly is Nadal has 4 grass/hard slams to only 1 clay slam for Federer.

4 > 1.

Surecatch 10-05-2012 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 6937473)
We all know how dominant they are on their best surfaces. Nadal on clay. Federer on hard/grass. But how well do they do on their weakest?

Nadal has 10 big hard/grass titles
Federer has 7 big clay titles

But more importantly is Nadal has 4 grass/hard slams to only 1 clay slam for Federer.

4 > 1.

As is the case with almost all of these types of threads, your reasonings are quite misleading.

Calling clay Fed's "weakest" surface might technically be accurate, but he's been known for many years to be probably the best clay court player NOT named Nadal. If there was no Nadal, Federer would have won many many more clay titles. Being second to the best ever does not equal "weak." You might more accurately describe clay as Roger's "least totally awesome" surface. ;)

Fed is one of the best ever on all three surfaces. Nadal is one of the best ever on one.

AnotherTennisProdigy 10-05-2012 11:19 AM

That's a little short sighted. Ever since Nadal started his dominance as the clay GOAT Federer established himself as the indisputed #2 on clay (debatable now with Djokovic's arrival). I don't think you can say the same for Nadal on hard court or grass.

What your stats answers is: Who is more dominant on their respective surfaces, Federer or Nadal? The answer is obviously Nadal but that doesn't make him a more well player.

beast of mallorca 10-05-2012 11:19 AM

Really ? Another Fedal thread ? You bored ? :)

AnotherTennisProdigy 10-05-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Surecatch (Post 6937488)
As is the case with almost all of these types of threads, your reasonings are quite misleading.

Calling clay Fed's "weakest" surface might technically be accurate, but he's been known for many years to be probably the best clay court player NOT named Nadal. If there was no Nadal, Federer would have won many many more clay titles. Being second to the best ever does not equal "weak." You might more accurately describe clay as Roger's "least totally awesome" surface. ;)

Fed is one of the best ever on all three surfaces. Nadal is one of the best ever on one.

Lol, you beat me to it,

SStrikerR 10-05-2012 11:22 AM

Nadal has two surfaces to win on, and Federer gets one. Yeah, this argument makes sense.

TMF 10-05-2012 11:27 AM

Nadal is better than Federer on clay but Fed is better on hc, grass and indoor.

Semi-Pro 10-05-2012 11:37 AM

Finally revealing your inner self after months in hibernation huh LOLvile :lol::lol:

It must eat you from the inside :lol::lol:

jokinla 10-05-2012 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoledman (Post 6937473)
We all know how dominant they are on their best surfaces. Nadal on clay. Federer on hard/grass. But how well do they do on their weakest?

Nadal has 10 big hard/grass titles
Federer has 7 big clay titles

But more importantly is Nadal has 4 grass/hard slams to only 1 clay slam for Federer.

4 > 1.

Pretty absurd comparison, don't you think Nads should have more titles if you are comparing him on 2 surfaces to Fed on 1. Not to mention there are how many slams a year off of clay on these 2 surfaces. So Nads has 3 chances to win on these surfaces, where Fed has 1 chance. And how many HC masters a year versus clay? Nice trolling with you.

kalyan4fedever 10-05-2012 11:40 AM

cat is out of the bag hehe ;)

Mustard 10-05-2012 11:41 AM

Nadal leads the head-to-head against:

Federer 18-10 (8-2 in majors)
Djokovic 19-14 (6-3 in majors)
Murray 13-5 (6-2 in majors)

Nadal has the most ridiculous clay-court dominance, and has also won the career Grand Slam. He also had a period of winning 8 titles in 4 months from April to August 2008.

tennis_pro 10-05-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SStrikerR (Post 6937496)
Nadal has two surfaces to win on, and Federer gets one. Yeah, this argument makes sense.

not even that, it's 3 majors to 1

sureshs 10-05-2012 11:46 AM

Nadal and Federer are history. Very soon the threads will be moved to the Former Pro Player section. It is all about Murray, Del Po, Tipsy, and Djoker now.

TMF 10-05-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mustard (Post 6937526)
Nadal leads the head-to-head against:

Federer 18-10 (8-2 in majors)
Djokovic 19-14 (6-3 in majors)
Murray 13-5 (6-2 in majors)

Nadal has the most ridiculous clay-court dominance, and has also won the career Grand Slam. He also had a period of winning 8 titles in 4 months from April to August 2008.

If you're using h2h record, then Davy is better than Nadal.:)

Mustard 10-05-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6937540)
If you're using h2h record, then Davy is better than Nadal.:)

What's his trophy cabinet like compared to Nadal's? ;)

Mick 10-05-2012 11:54 AM

my brother told me he thought Nadal's groundstrokes were more beautiful than Federer's.

I responded "What?!?" :-O

6-1 6-3 6-0 10-05-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TMF (Post 6937540)
If you're using h2h record, then Davy is better than Nadal.:)

Davydenko leads 6-5. Not a significant lead. That would be like saying Gilles Simon is better than Federer, since he once led the H2H with him 2-0.

tennis_pro 10-05-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0 (Post 6937553)
Davydenko leads 6-5. Not a significant lead. That would be like saying Gilles Simon is better than Federer, since he once led the H2H with him 2-0.

No, that would mean that Simon was better once but Federer improved and now they are all square. All Simon has to do now is to win 17 majors and there won't be anything to separate the 2.

Bergboy123 10-05-2012 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surecatch (Post 6937488)
You might more accurately describe clay as Roger's "least totally awesome" surface. ;)

on one.


Haha love it!

smoledman 10-05-2012 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 6937550)
my brother told me he thought Nadal's groundstrokes were more beautiful than Federer's.

I responded "What?!?" :-O

Agreed there. Federer's game is the most beautiful ever.


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