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timnz 10-07-2012 02:53 PM

Difficult year end discussions
 
Djokovic is most likely to be number 1 at the end of the year (and I am a Federer fan saying this) - but what if he doesn't win the WTF and Federer or Murray does. In fact what if he gets to number one simply because he gets to finals at Shanghai and Paris and doesn't win them or the WTF and Murray wins.

Then how many tournaments would Djokovic have won this year? 4? Would he deserve to be number 1 for the year?

Evan77 10-07-2012 03:01 PM

not sure why another thread on this topic. there are 2 of them already going.

However, whoever wins more points is a deserving #1. Rankings are more about consistency than just pure winning. this is not WTA. so you need to focus on a big picture and look at all tournaments played during 52 weeks.

The-Champ 10-07-2012 03:04 PM

He won a major this year plus other big titles. He deserves it.

Gonzo_style 10-07-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timnz (Post 6941361)
Djokovic is most likely to be number 1 at the end of the year (and I am a Federer fan saying this) - but what if he doesn't win the WTF and Federer or Murray does. In fact what if he gets to number one simply because he gets to finals at Shanghai and Paris and doesn't win them or the WTF and Murray wins.

Then how many tournaments would Djokovic have won this year? 4? Would he deserve to be number 1 for the year?

Yeah let's count points only for the win in finals, not for the loss in final or SF, QF :)

Gonzo_style 10-07-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Champ (Post 6941377)
He won a major this year plus other big titles. He deserves it.

Yeah, he played 9 finals this year, most of all players i think....

Hood_Man 10-07-2012 03:22 PM

Murray won 6 ATP titles in 2009 and ended the year as #4.

In fact Murray (6), Nadal (5) and Djokovic (5) each won more titles than Federer (4) that year.

kishnabe 10-07-2012 03:24 PM

Djokovic will deserve it regardless. 3 slam finals...and winning one of them.

Roger has an outside chance to be World Number 1....and if he does take it then....well deserved.

It won't be like Nadal in 2010 who takes the Number one Ranking with 1 slam....while Federer holds 2 Slams and 1 final.

Gonzo_style 10-07-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 6941395)
Djokovic will deserve it regardless. 3 slam finals...and winning one of them.

Roger has an outside chance to be World Number 1....and if he does take it then....well deserved.

It won't be like Nadal in 2010 who takes the Number one Ranking with 1 slam....while Federer holds 2 Slams and 1 final.

Yeah but this years Djokovic holds 2 Slams and 1 final but Fed take nr1 with 1 Slam :)

Andres 10-07-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 6941395)
Djokovic will deserve it regardless. 3 slam finals...and winning one of them.

Roger has an outside chance to be World Number 1....and if he does take it then....well deserved.

It won't be like Nadal in 2010 who takes the Number one Ranking with 1 slam....while Federer holds 2 Slams and 1 final.

Nadal won 3 slams in 2010. That's why he ended up as #1. I don't know where you were going with your comment. Typo, perhaps?

RogerFan1991 10-07-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Evan77 (Post 6941372)
not sure why another thread on this topic. there are 2 of them already going.

However, whoever wins more points is a deserving #1. Rankings are more about consistency than just pure winning. this is not WTA. so you need to focus on a big picture and look at all tournaments played during 52 weeks.

So wozniacki was a deserving #1 for two years, is that what you're saying? Im not comparing woz to nole, but a player doesnt just deserve the top spot for the points he/she gains, its more about where you gain them, and if you win majors.

Mainad 10-07-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_style (Post 6941402)
Yeah but this years Djokovic holds 2 Slams and 1 final but Fed take nr1 with 1 Slam :)

Djokovic has 1 Slam this year (AO) and 2 finals (FO and USO).

Gonzo_style 10-07-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mainad (Post 6941409)
Djokovic has 1 Slam this year (AO) and 2 finals (FO and USO).

No i mean after Wimbledon, 52 weeks ranking system......

Evan77 10-07-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerFan1991 (Post 6941406)
So wozniacki was a deserving #1 for two years, is that what you're saying? Im not comparing woz to nole, but a player doesnt just deserve the top spot for the points he/she gains, its more about where you gain them, and if you win majors.

you can not compare the ATP with the WTA at all. The WTA is just a big mess, so your Woz argument is very weak. I refuse to watch all of that screaming going on and the WTA is NOT tennis. Give me back Evert/Navratilova, Seles/Graf and we'll talk.

We are talking about 4 top guys who managed to win slams, masters plus other big tournaments this year. Not even close to Princess Serena or Clijsters who hardly play any other tournaments except slams. I won't buy their 'injury problems', ever as it's all just faking and being spoiled.

kishnabe 10-07-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres (Post 6941405)
Nadal won 3 slams in 2010. That's why he ended up as #1. I don't know where you were going with your comment. Typo, perhaps?

Nadal got the Number one ranking when he won the French Open....while Federer held more slams.

Nadal did do justice by ending the year with 3 slams.

Right now Novak has the better slam year than the rest. It improbable that he would not end Number one.

If Federer manages it in the end....it would be sim to Nadal 2010 French Open.

jaggy 10-07-2012 04:45 PM

What if Murray wins the What the F?

timnz 10-07-2012 05:13 PM

2 slams
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo_style (Post 6941402)
Yeah but this years Djokovic holds 2 Slams and 1 final but Fed take nr1 with 1 Slam :)

Sorry, what 2 slams does Djokovic hold this year? - the australian open + ???

ruerooo 10-07-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kishnabe (Post 6941472)
Right now Novak has the better slam year than the rest.

How did you draw that conclusion, if each of the Big Four has one each ...?

:-?

Sid_Vicious 10-07-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ruerooo (Post 6941579)
How did you draw that conclusion, if each of the Big Four has one each ...?

:-?

Djokovic

AO: Winner
FO: F
WIM: SF
USO: F

Federer:
AO: SF
RG: SF
WIM: Winner
USO: QF

Murray:
AO: SF
RG: QF
Wim: F
USO: Winner

Nadal:
AO: F
RG: Winner
WIM: 2nd
USO: N/A

Djokovic has the finest record at GS's this year.

Tennis sensation 10-07-2012 11:12 PM

This discussion got me thinking that if Nadal had not missed the BH DTL and won the AO then how easy it would have been for Federer to get the YE No 1

Prisoner of Birth 10-07-2012 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennis sensation (Post 6941858)
This discussion got me thinking that if Nadal had not missed the BH DTL and won the AO then how easy it would have been for Federer to get the YE No 1

Not very. He'd still be trailing by ~700 points by my calculation.


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