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TennisLovaLova 10-09-2012 02:44 AM

Tsonga says the refs always favor the Big4 in tough line calls
 
Tsonga says the ref cheated him vs Djokovic and that he is always cheated each time he faces a top 4 player

http://translate.google.com/translat...318346&act=url

"But I'm used to these decisions when I play against a member of the Big 4. I know that every time there is a difficult decision, it will be taken against me. It is a story of power, and this is how the world works. Sometimes it is not easy to accept. And anger rises very quickly ... "

Rozroz 10-09-2012 03:35 AM

is there any truth in his claims ?!?
this is unacceptable! ;)

The Bawss 10-09-2012 03:40 AM

Someone forgot to have their beauty sleep.

UKTennis 10-09-2012 03:58 AM

Extremely bitter. Very much how the football managers here in the UK moan about decisions going for the 'big teams.' It's a meek excuse.

Crisstti 10-09-2012 04:00 AM

I didn't see the match. Is there anything at all to what he says?. I suspect not, going by his whining after the Miami match against Rafa a while ago.

I've certainly seen many times calls go for the big teams in football, but I don't think that's at all the case in tennis.
Much less with hawk eye in use...
He seems to be looking for excuses for his results.

Rozroz 10-09-2012 04:22 AM

line call is one thing,
but what about top 4 getting away with up to 10 seconds until challenge while the rest get 2-3 sec ?

this actually happened in one of the recent matches.

batz 10-09-2012 04:22 AM

I like Jo - but he also once blamed a defeat on the ballboys being too slow!

After that, I would take any complaints about his perceived victimhood with a healthy pinch of salt.

merlinpinpin 10-09-2012 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Crisstti (Post 6943766)
I didn't see the match. Is there anything at all to what he says?

First serve from Djokovic in the tiebreak. Called out, Tsonga touched it, but clearly unreturnable. Djokovic challenged, got it right, and the umpire awarded him an ace. Very subjective at this point, obvously. Could have gone either way.

Or rather, Tsonga's take on it is that it *couldn't* have gone either way... ;)

Laurie 10-09-2012 04:26 AM

I saw the incident on Sunday, it was live on Supertennis channel. I didn't watch the whole match beacuse I had to go out but watched up to early in the 2nd set.

I did record the match so can check it again when I get home but if I remember Djokovic hit a serve that was called out which Tsonga returned into the net (backhand side) but was overuled after a challenge. I must admit I was expecting a 1st serve to be called and so did Djokovic because I'm sure he got two balls to serve again but the Umpire gave the point to Djokovic which is when Tsonga protested. He didn't overdo it with the Umpire just made his point very stridently.

You could argue the Umpire was in his rights to award the point to Djokovic but it appreared to me both parties were expecting a first serve / replay the point.

I will have to watch it again to see if I recall events correctly.

Lemoned 10-09-2012 04:30 AM

I understand losing to the same players in the later stage over and over again must be extremely frustrating but he seems to play this type of card too often for my liking.

Does he also remember those wrong calls in the opening set that all went against Novak and almost cost him the set in their Rome match this year?

Plus, Lahyani could be the strictest umpire when it comes to the hawkeye system with a late challenge or a situation like this.

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Originally Posted by Laurie (Post 6943794)
I will have to watch it again to see if I recall events correctly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...sdyeYY#t=3780s

Carsomyr 10-09-2012 05:11 AM

He already said something to this affect about Nadal after their Miami encounter.

Sour grapes then, sour grapes now. This is becoming a disturbing pattern for Tsonga. The Top 4 don't win their matches against other players in the upper echelon on the basis of a few line calls. If Tsonga has a problem with this, there's only one solution: get better.

SoBad 10-09-2012 05:17 AM

He's just angry that he can't lose weight.

Tammo 10-09-2012 05:24 AM

Jo has lost to Djokovic in the olympics, FO, 1 Master and now a final of a 500, that could be what's under his skin

The Bawss 10-09-2012 05:33 AM

Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

But Tsonga should stop whining, he gets owned by the top 4 and he should take the defeats like a man.

Bartelby 10-09-2012 05:33 AM

Its entirely plausible that umpires are more unintentionally indulgent with the top players.

This is basically what everyone has argued with respect to Nadal and Djoko's time wasting between points.

SoBad 10-09-2012 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bawss (Post 6943886)
Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

But Tsonga should stop whining, he gets owned by the top 4 and he should take the defeats like a man.

Yeah, but Tsonga is still fat and Lahyani is still a badge.

Bartelby 10-09-2012 06:04 AM

I thought Tsonga looked big on tv but in person he is extremely slender, or at least he was the last time I saw him.

SStrikerR 10-09-2012 06:12 AM

There have been studies that have proven that the so called "home team advantage" when it comes to refs is actually true. If you don't think that the big four get favorable calls, you're either a fool or in denial.

BHud 10-09-2012 06:16 AM

Absolutely...with success comes privileges/favoritism others don't get. You don't think the calls went Michael Jordan's way most of the time when the game was on the line? How about Tiger? You don't think he was given a bit more leniency compared to others - at least before the fall :)

TennisLovaLova 10-09-2012 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bawss (Post 6943886)
Well, Mohamed Lahyani is a pretty bad umpire so this isn't surprising coming from him.

IMO he's in the top 4 with Lars Graf, Ramos and Bernardes

Quote:

Originally Posted by BHud (Post 6943924)
Absolutely...with success comes privileges/favoritism others don't get. You don't think the calls went Michael Jordan's way most of the time when the game was on the line?

Actually no
(are you referring to the Bryon Russel alleged push in the 98 finals?)
Anyway, if MJ fwas favored by refs in the 90's just imagine in the current era...


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