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hoodjem 10-30-2012 03:01 PM

Court-coverage GOAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ARFED (Post 6982912)
Djokovic has the best court coverage ever (not even debatable).

Is Djokovic the GOAT here?

I believe that we've done footspeed before; maybe even quickness--which is slightly different but related.

Borg certainly covered the court incredibly well because of his footspeed. Is it a combination of footspeed, anticipation, reflexes, and stamina?

1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Djokovic
4. Edberg
5. Murray
6. Chang
7. Hewitt
8. Gerulaitis
9. Laver
10. Rosewall
11. Kriek
12. Nastase
13. Ferrer
14. Emerson
15. Mecir
16. Pernfors



Who else?

Magnetite 10-30-2012 03:03 PM

Murray is pretty good too.

Magnetite 10-30-2012 03:03 PM

Fed should get an honourable mention too.

NadalAgassi 10-30-2012 03:04 PM

1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Gerulaitis
4. Hewitt
5. Chang or Nastase

Those are my top 5 in exact order. Honorable mentions to Federer, Djokovic, Murray, and Edberg. Djokovic definitely isnt the best. He isnt that great in court coverage on grass, and while good on clay is definitely not the very best there either. Only on hard courts is he argaubly top 3 all time. I am judging his whole career, not just 2011.

kiki 10-30-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 6984614)
Is Djokovic the GOAT here?

I believe that we've done footspeed before; maybe even quickness--which is slightly different but related.

Borg certainly covered the court incredibly well because of his footspeed. Is it a combination of footspeed, anticipation, reflexes, and stamina?

Djokovic
Borg
Edberg
Nadal
Murray

Who else?

If anticipation counts for anything, Mac and Evert should be included.They read the game perfectly...ohˇ and what about Laver and Rosewall?
Nastase,Kriek and Gerulaitis were extremely quick.

kiki 10-30-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi (Post 6984618)
1. Nadal
2. Borg
3. Gerulaitis
4. Hewitt
5. Chang or Nastase

Those are my top 5 in exact order. Honorable mentions to Federer, Djokovic, Murray, and Edberg. Djokovic definitely isnt the best. He isnt that great in court coverage on grass, and while good on clay is definitely not the very best there either. Only on hard courts is he argaubly top 3 all time. I am judging his whole career, not just 2011.

Vitas ( like Johan kriek) relied so much on their quickness that they seemed to be out of position many times, yet got to the ball and won points.

I always marveled at Martina Hingis anticipation sense, even if not extremely fast, she was always reading the next ( and maybe nexts 2 and 3 more) points.

Prisoner of Birth 10-30-2012 05:48 PM

Nadal. I have no doubt in my mind.

Dan Lobb 10-30-2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 6984614)
Is Djokovic the GOAT here?

I believe that we've done footspeed before; maybe even quickness--which is slightly different but related.

Borg certainly covered the court incredibly well because of his footspeed. Is it a combination of footspeed, anticipation, reflexes, and stamina?

1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Borg
4. Edberg
5. Murray
6. Chang
7. Hewitt
8. Gerulaitis
9. Laver
10. Rosewall
11. Kriek
12. Nastase

Who else?

Some of the older guys;
Perry, Budge, Gonzales, Hoad, Emerson....all of these would compare well to the best today in footspeed.

piece 10-30-2012 08:59 PM

Nadal isn't the very fastest, but he's one of the fastest, and combined with his unparalleled ability to rapidly change direction, he takes this one.

borg number one 10-30-2012 09:39 PM

I'll go with Bjorn Borg, due to blazing speed, incredible quickness, great stamina, anticipation, and sublime footwork. He had an ability to finish shots from wild positions even with the old paradigm of wood frames from the baseline against great net play. He had great passing shots largely due to his court coverage. I'd also put Nadal at perhaps #2 with Djokovic and Federer a bit behind Nadal. Federer's footwork gives him a big advantage over Djokovic especially on grass courts, so that's to his credit. I consider court-coverage to be a broad topic, with top speed as only one thing to consider. Yet, even on that score, Borg was a bit faster than Nadal, with better quickness and stamina as well. This is with those old, cool looking Diadoras too! Borg would have thrived in the conditions of today, with a slow hard court major, and frames that allowed for a shift in favor of players that adopted a style of play that players such as Borg and Lendl brought to prominence.

Borg vs. Vilas (thanks Krosero)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKQVdZNsyuQ (Borg goes offscreen)

Borg vs. Lendl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyuiEzBb7hk (This was indoors on fast carpet at MSG in the 81 Masters YEC final. That was the 4th biggest tourney of the year and there were with 18K in attendance.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL__OcegrbY (81 FO final)

Borg vs. Connors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY

kiki 10-31-2012 05:36 AM

Rosewall footwork was amazing
Borg floated on court, Stefi Graf was similar

Sabratha 10-31-2012 05:54 AM

No way is Djokovic the GOAT here, Nadal is.

rafafan20 10-31-2012 05:55 AM

Nadal

No love for Ferrer?

hoodjem 10-31-2012 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borg number one (Post 6985199)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyuiEzBb7hk (This was indoors on fast carpet at MSG in the 81 Masters YEC final. That was the 4th biggest tourney of the year and there were with 18K in attendance.)

Check out the rallies!

How do you turn fast, indoor carpet into slow clay?

BTURNER 10-31-2012 03:31 PM

Virtually no talk of the women. This includes both horozontal and lateral movement , changing direction and even those quick side steps up at net.

Graf
Clisters
Navratilova
Garrison
V Williams
Mandlikova
Goolagong
Hingis
Evert (84-88, move her up three slots, she got quicker footspeed, to go along with anticipation and footwork)

kiki 10-31-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTURNER (Post 6986637)
Virtually no talk of the women. This includes both horozontal and lateral movement , changing direction and even those quick side steps up at net.

Graf
Clisters
Navratilova
Garrison
V Williams
Mandlikova
Goolagong
Hingis
Evert (84-88, move her up three slots, she got quicker footspeed, to go along with anticipation and footwork)

Loved Evonne on her good days floating on court like a fairy.She was really a fairy.When her stick worked along her mind, there was no more delicious player to watch.

kiki 10-31-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 6986745)
Loved Evonne on her good days floating on court like a fairy.She was really a fairy.When her stick worked along her mind, there was no more delicious player to watch.

Hana was such a natural mover.Her mom, I think, was national track and fields champion...or was it her father?

piece 10-31-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borg number one (Post 6985199)
I'll go with Bjorn Borg, due to blazing speed, incredible quickness, great stamina, anticipation, and sublime footwork. He had an ability to finish shots from wild positions even with the old paradigm of wood frames from the baseline against great net play. He had great passing shots largely due to his court coverage. I'd also put Nadal at perhaps #2 with Djokovic and Federer a bit behind Nadal. Federer's footwork gives him a big advantage over Djokovic, so that's to his credit. I consider court-coverage to be a broad topic, with top speed as only one thing to consider. Yet, even on that score, Borg was a bit faster than Nadal, with better quickness and stamina as well. This is with those old, cool looking Diadoras too! Borg would have thrived in the conditions of today, with a slow hard court major, and frames that allowed for a shift in favor of players that adopted a style of play that players such as Borg and Lendl brought to prominence.

Borg vs. Vilas (thanks Krosero)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKQVdZNsyuQ (Borg goes offscreen)

Borg vs. Lendl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyuiEzBb7hk (This was indoors on fast carpet at MSG in the 81 Masters YEC final. That was the 4th biggest tourney of the year and there were with 18K in attendance.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL__OcegrbY (81 FO final)

Borg vs. Connors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTMx--E0OhY

I agree that Borg was a bit faster than Nadal. How would you compare the two at changing direction?

BTURNER 10-31-2012 07:01 PM

OOPS I forgot the Bqrcelona Bumblebee. She's up there near the top tier. Best retreiver except maybe Clisters

NadalAgassi 10-31-2012 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BTURNER (Post 6986637)
Virtually no talk of the women. This includes both horozontal and lateral movement , changing direction and even those quick side steps up at net.

Graf
Clisters
Navratilova
Garrison
V Williams
Mandlikova
Goolagong
Hingis
Evert (84-88, move her up three slots, she got quicker footspeed, to go along with anticipation and footwork)

While Garrison had impressive court coverage IMO that is a high ranking for her if you are doing them in order. I also would include Henin, I think she beats Hingis and Evert here, even with their amazing anticipation combined with reasonably good footspeed.


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