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Goosehead 11-05-2012 04:51 PM

so you think Borg retired too early ?..think again.
 
Borg made his debut at the stockholm open starting nov 1st 1971
and fell off the tour at the tokyo open that was end of oct 1981..

he was age 15yrs 4months when he started, and played 715 singles matches in a career lasting almost exactly 10yrs to the day..

he also played freak knows how many exhibition matches/tourneys such as the suntory cup etc (beat mcenroe in 1983 there)..also i know he played a couple of tournys on the main tour in 82 like monte carlo until ending in july 84 in germany, but we all know really he stepped off the tour in 1981.
so thats 715 matches in 10yrs, plus the fact that the tour gave the players far less help off court than they get nowadays...then i say maybe he played alot at a high level for a long time rather than quitting early.

90's Clay 11-05-2012 05:16 PM

Retiring at 25 or 26? Yea I would say thats "retiring too early". Thats a young age to be retiring at. Even in tennis regardless if you are an early bloomer or not

hoodjem 11-06-2012 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 6997276)
Borg made his debut at the stockholm open starting nov 1st 1971
and fell off the tour at the tokyo open that was end of oct 1981..

he was age 15yrs 4months when he started, and played 715 singles matches in a career lasting almost exactly 10yrs to the day.

Would that make 71.5 matches per year?

How does this rate with present players (per year)?

kme5150 11-06-2012 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 6998120)
Would that make 71.5 matches per year?

How does this rate with present players (per year)?

I think Federer has something just over 80 so far this year.

kiki 11-06-2012 01:59 PM

Bjorn played in an extremely competitive era.Mac,Connors,Lendl..

hoodjem 11-06-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kme5150 (Post 6998173)
I think Federer has something just over 80 so far this year.

I believe that in 2011, Djokovic's record was 70-6.
I believe that in 2007, Fed's record was 68-9.
I believe that in 2006, Fed's record was 92-5.

Goosehead 11-07-2012 09:16 AM

singles matches from atp tour (not exhibition tourneys)...

1971.... ?
1972.... ?
1973....65
1974....107
1975....94
1976....69
1977....83
1978....77
1979....90
1980....76
1981....41.

too many matches as a teenager at least.
any info on matches played in 71 and 72 ?..i suppose in 71 his debut in stockholm open might have been only match, but in 72 he played davis cup age 15yrs...what else/ how many times ?? :)

chrischris 11-07-2012 09:27 AM

He trained extremely hard. the guy was a physical monster ,some say his pulse was like in the mid 30's.,but most think his body got spent quick in that process and the mind got hit hard by the advent of McEnroe and in particular the schooling Borg took in his last US Open final. John was toying with Borg in that one. Borg has said he realised he would not be able to be where he felt he wanted to be after that match.

Sabratha 11-07-2012 03:57 PM

Borg retired when he felt he needed to.

jaggy 11-07-2012 05:34 PM

And when Borg played the average rally on clay lasted about an hour

kiki 11-08-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 7000585)
singles matches from atp tour (not exhibition tourneys)...

1971.... ?
1972.... ?
1973....65
1974....107
1975....94
1976....69
1977....83
1978....77
1979....90
1980....76
1981....41.

too many matches as a teenager at least.
any info on matches played in 71 and 72 ?..i suppose in 71 his debut in stockholm open might have been only match, but in 72 he played davis cup age 15yrs...what else/ how many times ?? :)

in 72 he beat Onny Parun, a top 15-20 ranked player, in the NZ vs Sweden rubber...on grass...

kiki 11-08-2012 01:49 PM

at the very end, Borg dominated a monster field with Connors,Mac,Lendl,Vilas,Vitas,Roscoe,Clerc and, before them, letīs jsut mention all time cc greats like Panatta,Kodes,Nastase and Orantes...

Goosehead 11-08-2012 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiki (Post 7003218)
at the very end, Borg dominated a monster field with Connors,Mac,Lendl,Vilas,Vitas,Roscoe,Clerc and, before them, letīs jsut mention all time cc greats like Panatta,Kodes,Nastase and Orantes...

yes i knew about his davis cup opponent, thanks anyway :) i dont know and i cant find out or my searches are rubbish just how many matches on the tour borg had in 1972 or was it just that davis cup tie he played in ?.

kiki 06-27-2014 02:39 PM

Borg played such an overloaded non official schedule.In 1979 he and Mc Enroe, played like the old pros of the 50īs, a long series of exhibitions in different european venues ( most of them second rate cities).he and Pecci also played a quite loaded series of exhibitions in South America, at the end of the season.

But it was Mac who, in addition to almost 60 events ( singles and doubles) overloaded himself with a lot of unofficial tourneys.he,Vilas,Connors,Nastase spent a whole month in the French Riviera during the 1979 summer, playing 4 men mini tournaments, in addition to that mentioned series against Borg, and top class exos at Milano and Frankfurt.

The level of exhibition and major non official events cannot be understood from the current point of view.But it was huge.

BobbyOne 06-27-2014 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goosehead (Post 7000585)
singles matches from atp tour (not exhibition tourneys)...

1971.... ?
1972.... ?
1973....65
1974....107
1975....94
1976....69
1977....83
1978....77
1979....90
1980....76
1981....41.

too many matches as a teenager at least.
any info on matches played in 71 and 72 ?..i suppose in 71 his debut in stockholm open might have been only match, but in 72 he played davis cup age 15yrs...what else/ how many times ?? :)

Goosehead, Borg played at least five tournaments in 1972: Madrid, Bastaad, US Open (lost to Emerson in quali), Stockholm (beat strong Gimeno 6-2,6-3) and Kingston (won the doubles).

Vensai 06-27-2014 09:18 PM

Bjorn Borg retired earlier than average. He was still playing well and could have won a couple more majors.

kiki 06-28-2014 12:33 AM

Borg played a lot of tournaments from 1974 to 1979.In 1980 and 1981 he reduced significantly his official schedule, but there were so many unofficials that he really played quite tennis even in those two years.

I concur he still had a couple of majors left had he not retired.1982 and 1983 are good options for him.

Mike Bulgakov 07-01-2014 09:10 PM

Wilander has said that Borg was easily beating him in practice shortly before he won the 1982 French Open. I think he had grown tired of the regiment and wanted to live life.

I was at his comeback in Monte-Carlo, and it was like a scene out of a Fellini movie. All the players, like Edberg and Becker, came to see him. Swedes where standing on beer cartons and trying to look over the stadium wall. The place was packed with journalists.

Then Borg came out with his blacked-out wood racquet. He was so nervous that his hand seemed to be shaking during his warm-up serves. Nevertheless, he was still clearly a star.

hoodjem 07-02-2014 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Bulgakov (Post 8521174)
Then Borg came out with his blacked-out wood racquet. He was so nervous that his hand seemed to be shaking during his warm-up serves. Nevertheless, he was still clearly a star.

A star yes, but with severely obsolete equipment.

If he'd made a transition to graphite, things would have gone better.

Rosewall 07-02-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem (Post 8522717)
A star yes, but with severely obsolete equipment.

If he'd made a transition to graphite, things would have gone better.

Borg did himself a favor by retiring. Making adjustments was not one of his strengths. When he came back and played the 91 Monte Carlo, he used his old Donnay Borg Pro racquets and old Fila outfits. He later tried moving to graphite but 10 years of no competitive tennis was too much to overcome.

That was Bjorn Borg. As anal as Nadal is with his water bottles and ticks, Borg was just as bad with his towels and other routines. Unlike Nadal who has made adjustments in his game to stay competitive with Djokovic, Borg just walked away. It adds mystique for the Borg fans, and I think Bjorn Borg is probably the most popular tennis player of all time. But for me, his unwillingness to change his game to keep up with the sport is a big missing ingredient in the GOAT argument.


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