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5555 11-11-2012 03:30 AM

Is Borg a GOAT candidate?
 
What do you think?

jaggy 11-11-2012 05:05 AM

A candidate sure but lack of US Open wins hinders him

Ramon 11-11-2012 05:17 AM

I think he is. He never won the US Open, but he was close. Just look all the great players he dominated and what happened after he retired. Connors, Vilas, and Gerulaitis all enjoyed more success right after Borg retired.

gavna 11-11-2012 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramon (Post 7007314)
I think he is. He never won the US Open, but he was close. Just look all the great players he dominated and what happened after he retired. Connors, Vilas, and Gerulaitis all enjoyed more success right after Borg retired.

Of course Borg is a candidate.....for sure top 3.....but Vilas and Vitas for sure didn't have "more" success after BB retired...both were at their peak in the late 70s.

hoodjem 11-11-2012 05:38 AM

His dominance on clay then grass two weeks later for three straight years has not been duplicated.

Rafa did it in 2008, but not again until 2010. Even Fed has done it only once in 2009. (And of course we all know that it's easier now, because the grass has been slowed down.)

borg number one 11-11-2012 05:38 AM

Is the Pope Catholic? Borg absolutely revolutionized the sport of tennis, apart from all his accomplishments.

Gizo 11-11-2012 05:43 AM

I don't think that he is as great a player as either Laver or Federer, but still he is easily one of the best players to have ever picked up a racket.

I would rank him above Sampras. Borg had the clear edge in terms of surface versatility of course, while Sampras had the clear edge in terms of longevity. I think that Borg was more dominant than Sampras, although I accept that this criteria is far more debatable.

Sure Sampras finished as the year end no. 6 times and Borg twice. However everyone knows that Borg was the real no. 1 in 1978, and Sampras was a very weak and questionable no. 1 in 1998. All 8 of Borg's seasons from 1974-1981 were better than Sampras's 1998.

Looking at quality over quantity, Borg's 1979 and 1980 seasons were superior to any year that Sampras ever had on the tour in my opinion, both in terms of results and standard of play. His 1978 season was probably as good as any year that Sampras ever had as well. Sampras never had a 3 year run that stacks up to Borg's 1978-1980.

I still rank him above Nadal as well due to his superior surface versality and dominance. He was a far better player on hard courts than Nadal has been indoors, despite Nadal benefiting from the elimination of carpet and most indoor tournaments nowadays being played on medium-paced hard courts. Plus Borg was the undisputed best player in the world 3 years in a row from 1978-1980, while Nadal has never been the best player in the world in back to back years.

Mustard 11-11-2012 05:43 AM

Yes, Borg is certainly a GOAT candidate.

JoelDali 11-11-2012 05:57 AM

Is Billie Jean King GOATable?

Gizo 11-11-2012 06:01 AM

Borg's 3 consecutive RG-Wimbledon doubles, when the surfaces at those 2 events were far more polarised than they have been over the last 10 years, with him engaging in wars of attrition and regular 50-60 shot rallies at RG, and then serve-volleying and playing aggressively at Wimbledon, was just superhuman.

jaggy 11-11-2012 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JoelDali (Post 7007365)
Is Billie Jean King GOATable?

She did resemble one

chrischris 11-11-2012 06:09 AM

Is anthropogenic global warming happening?
Of course Borg is a candidate.
He was an extreme athlete and given his output over the few years he played , he is in a class of his own.No one comes close .

forzamilan90 11-11-2012 06:55 AM

Legendary player held in very high regard, but no GOAT candidate

chrischris 11-11-2012 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by forzamilan90 (Post 7007555)
Legendary player held in very high regard, but no GOAT candidate

And why not?

chrischris 11-11-2012 07:29 AM

Borg has an output per year as an active player than no one can match in Grand Slam titles.
He is the Beatles of tennis.

BauerAlmeida 11-11-2012 07:54 AM

Yes.

Lack of USO hurts him a bit, but he had 4 finals.

Virginia 11-11-2012 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrischris (Post 7007387)
Is anthropogenic global warming happening?
Of course Borg is a candidate.
He was an extreme athlete and given his output over the few years he played , he is in a class of his own.No one comes close .

I have to challenge that one!

I agree about Borg though.

TMF 11-11-2012 09:45 AM

From the experts, Borg is in the top 10.

1 Roger Federer
2 Rod Laver
3 Pete Sampras
4 Rafael Nadal
5 Bjorn Borg
6 Don Budge
7 Andre Agassi
8 John McEnroe
9 Jimmy Connors
10 Bill Tilden

Prisoner of Birth 11-11-2012 09:49 AM

Yeah, he's my number 4. Should be top 10 on anyone's list.

TMF 11-11-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Prisoner of Birth (Post 7007885)
Yeah, he's my number 4. Should be top 10 on anyone's list.

The OP should ask what's the cutoff number to be in goat discussion.

Some people believe top 10 qualify to be in goat discussion and others are more stricter...they only include 5 or 3 players. Whereas some people already have conceded one particular player is a goat and there's no more discussion.


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